If anyone is interested, all information on the Renown 40 item can be found on my profile.
I had Connected:Urchins 420 and ended up with Renown 50.
Re: the Mid-Level Urchins item; I now have it. You can see it, and the text of the storylet that gives it, on the profile of my main character: cathyr19355.
The storylet that gives it can be found in Wolfstack Docks. I don’t know but it probably becomes visible only after you pass a certain Renown level. To play the storylet and get the item requires 25 Urchins Renown and 5 Urchins Favours. It is a Gloves item called Constant Cufflinks that when equipped gives Shadowy +7.
edited by cathyr19355 on 1/25/2017
But notice that this would complicate any profitability calculations, because Urchin Favours acquired in this way cost 2 actions to get, instead of 1.
[quote=rahv7]If anyone is interested, all information on the Renown 40 item can be found on my profile.
I had Connected:Urchins 420 and ended up with Renown 50.[/quote]
Ah, so it is in the Mind of a God. Thanks for confirming (and congratulations!)
That’s quite disappointing, and completely disproportional to the locations of the previously established top Renown items.
[quote=rahv7]If anyone is interested, all information on the Renown 40 item can be found on my profile.
I had Connected:Urchins 420 and ended up with Renown 50.[/quote]
Hahaha, I can’t believe I’m one of the few that are on top with this conversion! Mine as soon as I get home! Although I was hoping it would be a +10 shadowy hat!
Dangit. I suspected this might be the case, and had meant to save my entrance until the switchover. Because of the nature of the storylet, however, a misclick a few weeks ago dashed my hopes and the qualities needed for re-entry, and now I have to painfully raise them up again from nothing, and it’s gonna take ages. So much for being prepared!
I’m a little salty, to be blunt, although there’s not really anyone at fault. These are some extremely stringent entry requirements though!
The 10 and 25 items are lovely, and so is their text. :)
edited by Barselaar on 1/18/2017
Ok, so is this math weird?
I have/had 64 connected urchins, not much but plenty more than up-to-ten available at the carnival (Now up to 5 renown). I’ve been given 6 renown and 7 favors to get it to 7 renown with urchins… "Known all along the heights of the Flit"
Come on. Would I not be "Known amongst the hoodlums of the Fisher King", at least?
I remember being pretty cheesed off at the conversion for the Rubbery Men and Docks, too.
edited by Krysin on 1/18/2017
[quote=dov][quote=rahv7]If anyone is interested, all information on the Renown 40 item can be found on my profile.
I had Connected:Urchins 420 and ended up with Renown 50.[/quote]
Ah, so it is in the Mind of a God. Thanks for confirming (and congratulations!)
That’s quite disappointing, and completely disproportional to the locations of the previously established top Renown items.[/quote]
Thank you. Yes, it is by far the most difficult item to get so far. I was saving the storylet since Hallowmas (or even before?) because I figured I might need it.
I can absolutely relate. I was super afraid I might accidentally click on it.
I had connected:157 and “only” got renown 19 + 7 favors. I had settled on ~150 connected since I figured it’d put me in the mid-twenties. oh well.
I hope this trend of increasingly-painful conversions doesn’t continue. The best non-card way to grind Urchins was a +3 CP action, imagine the ratio for Society with that +33 CP action…
Isn’t this sweet? Another faction where it’s impossible to max out Renown because Failbetter decide to use yet another formula this time, so 321 Connected no longer net 50 Renown.
Also I might be the first to find it but their is a new conflict card between the Urchins and the Docks. The title is “youthful high spirits” it appears with very infrequent frequency. It requires five docks favors and five urchin favors.The basic idea is you can either sabotage The Regiments cannon or help them in demanding protection money from the residents. Either way you lose the favors from the faction you worked against and gain some other rewards. I choose to help the urchins and echoed the result in my profile. The rewards for the urchins are 500 silk scraps 5 Thirsty Bombazine Scraps and 5Whisper-Satin Scraps. You can choose to discard the card as well.
Conversion ratio seems pretty harsh this time. 107 Connected translated to zero favors and zero renown. :-/
I would presume that Turning in a hard-working Mark of Credit Page will gain an Urchins favour.
Jesus Christ, my urchins connection was really low because I have an orphanage and it’s never been that easy to get. This is going to be harder than the tomb colonies to raise.
Yep, that’s the Urchins/Docks conflict card. Until now it required Connected: Urchins 30 and Favours: Docks 5.
That’s absolutely a bug - by my math, you should have 7 Favours and Renown 12. You should contact Failbetter at support@failbettergames.com
Oh, come on! I don’t like complaining, but why this sadistic approach?
Not a "top" player, but this is my third sackmas, so I am "starting" to understand the game.
I like the renown\favours mechanic, but it is balanced in a really painful way.
As I am approaching the end game all is becoming excessively grindy in an unfun way.
I am ok with goats and Cider.
Okey, Cider and heptagoat are maddening, that long grind scare me, really, it takes years and I am afraid to die in the meanwhile, before having the pleasure of reading some unique text or play a unique option, but at least echoes grinding have a bit of variety and the item are really unique.
Instead, renown rewards are pretty lame!
Tier 1 are totally useless and cost lot more than whatever you could get with money or outer kind of rewards.
Tier 2 are on par with shop equipment, but 25 renown it’s no joke, cost lot of money and time.
Tier 3 are maddening! For the efforts needed to get them, they are really disappointing.
With the exception of the bellringer, there aren’t any interactions, unlocking or whatever. Just a completionist obsession.
Why? Why so harsh?
It’s not that I am seeking the name and need to be punished. Why disappointing rewards obtained through a painful grind that also impairs your other grinding?
This is becoming frustrating. It’s not fun if the "need" to plan everything for years to experience content is becoming a rule and not an exception.
I think this is getting out of hand.
edited by Frenzgyn on 1/18/2017
I had ~373 Urchins connected and I got 50 renown.
Not sure if it has been mentioned before, but I have just found a source for Urchins favours on the Your Winsome Orphan is out of control card, needing 2 Memories of Distant Shores.
edited by Arandia on 1/18/2017
I’ve been thinking about this, and the final Urchins item seems entirely ridiculous. With every faction, players have to spend ages drawing cards and slowly converting Favours to Renown before they can get the final item. For every other faction, getting the actual item is straightforward once the Renown goal is met. But for Urchins, the item is hidden in one of the most obscure locations in the game! Besides grinding cards for Renown 40, anyone who wants this item also needs to grind the much rarer dream cards for What the Thunder Said 18, reset WtTS for Stormy-Eyed, grind dream cards back to WtTS 15, and zail to Mutton Island to grind Stormy-Eyed to 19. How many players even obtain Stormy-Eyed, let alone know of the obscure uncapped option to increase it? Sticking the final Rubbery Men item in Flute Street is bad enough, but at least players are actually told that it exists and how to get there.
I really, really hope there’s at least some option we have yet to find that makes reaching the Mind of a Long-Dead God easier. If not an option to take players directly there, maybe an option increasing WtTS and Stormy-Eyed in exchange for Urchins Favours.