I think that the first time you do anything, you get the best possible result, which is quite nice. Then you enter the RNG normally
Boy am I glad I haven’t spent my Regnant Coins on the Judgement Egg yet!
Thought exactly! Catssss!!! :D
A Judgement’s Egg from the 30-supply story?
I’m… actually really happy about this. Now I can fill my lodgings with 10 more cats guilt-free!
I will add that it feels sorta… fundamentally off to me that these expeditions don’t give Unpredictable Treasures like the other two do. I miss those overpriced bags of oddites, dangit…
It’s interesting that the results seem to change after the first time; it remains to be seen whether the other expeditions also give such useful items.
Both the Chalcocite Pagoda and the Tomb of the Silken Thread end in Watchful checks that are pretty hard to fail - so of course, I tanked an alt’s stats in an attempt to see some failure text.
The Tomb of the Silken Thread Failure
The reward for the fail-version of the Pagoda is 2x Antique Mysteries and 1x Magnificent Diamond. The reward for the fail-version of the Silken Thread is 1x Parabola Linen.
I think some enterprising folks from the Discord have put my findings on the wiki already, but the extra lore from the failures is interesting!
EDIT: As the expeditions currently stand, if your Watchful is over 100 it’s impossible for you to see these alternate (admittedly slightly worse) results.
edited by Barse on 9/6/2018
It sounds like the Sanctuary of Crimson Petals expedition simply has two different results, one of which may be more common than the other. If the game was presenting different results based on whether you’ve done the expedition or not, we would expect to see it assign some quality to the player, since that’s usually how the game tracks things like this. Plus, the fact that both outcomes have been reported by people apparently doing the expedition for the first time suggests it’s a matter of random chance rather than a deliberate skew. Whether the odds of the different outcomes are roughly even (like the Thieves’ Cache expedition having 60/40 odds of giving Glim/Souls) or one outcome is much rarer than the other will take more investigation.
Interestingly, I haven’t heard any reports of alternate rewards for The Chocolate Pagoda or the Tomb of the Silken Thread, so those may be more consisent.
[quote=Slyblue][quote=Lady Sapho Byron]Heeeeeeeyyyyyy … wait a minute … if the
Heroic Archaeologist
is my rival, what does that make me?
edited by Lady Sapho Byron on 9/5/2018[/quote]
The Morally Questionable Archeologist?[/quote]
Possibilities abound. Perhaps the Cowardly Archaeologist? The Sensible Archaeologist?
It’s nice to know that I’m not the only one who automatically keeps reading "The Chalcocite Pagoda" as "The Chocolate Pagoda" ;)
[quote=Barse]Both the Chalcocite Pagoda and the Tomb of the Silken Thread end in Watchful checks that are pretty hard to fail - so of course, I tanked an alt’s stats in an attempt to see some failure text.
The Tomb of the Silken Thread Failure
The reward for the fail-version of the Pagoda is 2x Antique Mysteries and 1x Magnificent Diamond. The reward for the fail-version of the Silken Thread is 1x Parabola Linen.
I think some enterprising folks from the Discord have put my findings on the wiki already, but the extra lore from the failures is interesting!
EDIT: As the expeditions currently stand, if your Watchful is over 100 it’s impossible for you to see these alternate (admittedly slightly worse) results.
edited by Barse on 9/6/2018[/quote]
Finally a way of getting some precious gems that isn’t reliant on nearly pure chance.
But wait, watchful is my highest stat… NOOOOOOOOOO!!!
edited by MrEvil135 on 9/6/2018
Here’s a recalculation of EPA:
9.75 actions to acquire 9.75 favours. (I’m ignoring the cost for the moment. Because you only spend 39 supplies, you don’t need the full 40!)
9.75 actions and 487.5 rostygold to turn those into 39 supplies.
1 action to start the expedition.
13 actions of buccaneering to get to the end of the expedition, ignoring "A sign?" and rivals.
1 action to complete the expedition.
Total: 34.5 actions
Reward: Either 3 night-whispers (187.5E) or two bright brass skulls and a portfolio of skulls (132.5E). It’s not clear what the ratio is, but let’s say 50-50 for now, for an average of 160E. Subtract 4.875 for the rostygold spent on supplies and that’s 155.125E.
155.125/34.5=4.50 EPA. "A sign?" improves this slightly. The cost of favours makes it slightly lower. Notably, this is not a grind in the classic sense because you’re limited by favours.
What about the risk of getting caught by your rival? Using the binomial probability formula with a 50% chance of Rival’s Progress increasing, it’s 13.3%. That’s definitely not negligible. 3 echoes of romantic goods and 1 supply are required. There’s still a 1.1% chance of having the Heroic Archaeologist catch up again, but that’s rare enough that I’ll leave it out.
This also costs only 39 supplies, barring rivals and signs, and you get 40 to prepare. Between the two you’ll come out very slightly ahead on supplies, but again, not so much that I think it’s important to calculate exactly. Overall you’ll get well over 4 EPA.
What about making this a grind? The obvious way is by using money to fund expeditions. At 10 echoes for 4 supplies, though, your profit is 160-100, or 60 echoes for the expedition. That’s actually not terrible, but 60/35 will give you about 1.71 EPA, which is reasonable but not exciting.
edited by Tyrconnell on 9/6/2018
What about the 30 supply expedition?
7.25 actions to acquire 7.25 favours. (You only need 29 supplies, actually, because the first progress is free when starting the expedition.)
7.25 actions and 362.5 rostygold to turn those into 30 supplies.
1 action to start the expedition.
10 actions of buccaneering (or rather, 9 buccaneering and 1 bold) to get to the end of the expedition, ignoring "A sign?" and rivals.
1 action to complete the expedition.
Total: 26.5 actions
Reward: 125 echoes (-3.625 for supplies)
121.375/26.5=4.58
And while your rival, the Lugubrious Seamstress, can catch up, it’s very unlikely at 1.1%.
Conclusion: you’re better off pursuing the shorter expedition, both for safety and for profitability.
If you buy your supplies with echoes, you spend an extra 7.50E on the way and your eventual profit is 1.887 EPA. That’s quite respectable still, but still outdone by selling winsome orphans by a full third of an echo per action.
edited by Tyrconnell on 9/6/2018
What about the 20 supply expedition?
4.75 actions to acquire favours for 19 supplies
4.75 actions and 237.5 rostygold to turn those into 19 supplies.
1 action to start the expedition.
7 actions of buccaneering to get to the end of the expedition, ignoring "A sign?" (your rival can’t catch up.)
1 action to complete the expedition.
Total: 18.5 actions
Reward: 62.5 echoes (-2.375 for supplies)
60.125/18.5=3.25
Still good, but outdone by the others.
edited by Tyrconnell on 9/6/2018
[quote=Reused NPC]A Judgement’s Egg from the 30-supply story?
I’m… actually really happy about this. Now I can fill my lodgings with 10 more cats guilt-free!
I will add that it feels sorta… fundamentally off to me that these expeditions don’t give Unpredictable Treasures like the other two do. I miss those overpriced bags of oddites, dangit…
It’s interesting that the results seem to change after the first time; it remains to be seen whether the other expeditions also give such useful items.[/quote]
I have mixed feelings about getting such a rare item from a relatively inexpensive story. However, it’s a great consolation for those of us who didn’t receive enough Regnant Coins to obtain a Judgements’ Egg that way.
A WAY TO GRIND SEARING ENIGMAS MY SEEKER ALT IS SO HAPPY
An earlier way. Enigmas were already easily grindable in the Court of the Wakeful Eye. The only problem is getting access to it. Every seeker has to be at least a semi-seasoned expeditioneer.
Pardon my ignorance, but what use is a Judgement’s Egg beyond its monetary value? The wiki says it has no use, but a couple of people on this thread have made cryptic references to cats. What’s that all about?
Use-wise Judgement’s Eggs are worthless, but until recently they used to be a Fate-locked item. Then, when the Mysteries were solved, one of the available items to buy was a Judgement’s Egg, while the cheapest item was a cat companion.
[quote=Tyrconnell]What about the 30 supply expedition?
[…]
If you buy your supplies with echoes, you spend an extra 7.50E on the way and your eventual profit is 1.887 EPA.[/quote]
How about buying strong-backed labour? Isn’t that a lot more efficient than raw echoes?
Ah, thank you. So it was the mysteries, then. Didn’t pay heed to any of that, perhaps I should have. Oh well. I think I have enough companions already.
Does anyone have the echoes for the “failed” options? My Watchful is too high to get them.