From the Sanctuary (40 supplies) I got:
3 Night-Whispers
[quote=Lady Sapho Byron]Heeeeeeeyyyyyy … wait a minute … if the
Heroic Archaeologist
is my rival, what does that make me?
edited by Lady Sapho Byron on 9/5/2018[/quote]
A Queen as always!
[quote=PSGarak]Tomb of the Silken Thread gave me the following:
[spoiler]One Parabola-Linen Scrap, and one Judgement Egg.
You guys, a Judgement Egg! I honestly wonder if this is a regular result or I got lucky with a Rare Success. [/spoiler]
Plus the requisite amount of creepy lore about spiders.[/quote]
I got the same! I thought was maybe rare.
edited by Magpie Dandy on 9/5/2018
Wow! What a delightful surprise, Fallen London! (checks number of Expedition Supplies…9.) Time to start grinding!
[quote=PSGarak]Tomb of the Silken Thread gave me the following:
[spoiler]One Parabola-Linen Scrap, and one Judgement Egg.
You guys, a Judgement Egg! I honestly wonder if this is a regular result or I got lucky with a Rare Success. [/spoiler]
Plus the requisite amount of creepy lore about spiders.[/quote]
This was the same result I got. Going by the lack of "you got a mysterious treasure" screen, I think this might be a guaranteed result, short of a rare success or something similar?
[quote= Saklad]Holy crap, these things are lucrative. Possibly too lucrative. I usually do Expeditions when I don’t have anything better to do (I’ve been looking into scripting the more repetitive carousels, but I haven’t heard back from Failbetter on whether it’s okay yet), so I’d be doing this anyway, but this might actually be more profitable than the Affair of the Box.[li]
Not that I sell anything I don’t have at least 2000 of. For good reason: one of the new actions uses an Outlandish Artifact, apparently!
edited by Saklad5 on 9/5/2018[/quote]Anyone have EPA numbers? (Given Buccaneering autosuccess). This looks decidedly more fun than Tiger grinding, plus you get to stay in London.[/li]
edited by cecil1994 on 9/5/2018
Looks like rewards are fixed. Is anybody willing to calculate EpA?
[quote= Saklad]Holy crap, these things are lucrative. Possibly too lucrative. I usually do Expeditions when I don’t have anything better to do (I’ve been looking into scripting the more repetitive carousels, but I haven’t heard back from Failbetter on whether it’s okay yet), so I’d be doing this anyway, but this might actually be more profitable than the Affair of the Box.
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Scripting is strictly prohibited by the game’s Terms of Use.
Which of expeditions should I look for this action?
Words cannot express my delight in having an outright HEROIC character attempt to foil my own (distinctly non-heroic and quite megalomaniacal) character’s schemes.
So, in lieu of words, I shall resort to a more appropriate vocalization for the occasion: MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
A little back of the envelope scribbling:
So far, posted rewards from the 40-supply Sanctuary have values of 12.50, 140.5, 187.5, and 187.5 Echoes. So mean return (I know, small sample size!!) = 132E.
Actions needed are:
10 to get 10 Docker Favours (cost for this is variable)
10 to trade 10 Docker Favours for 40 Supplies (cost for this is 5E)
1 to begin the Expedition
13 to do the Expedition (assuming automatic success and you don’t need to foil your rival)
1 to finish the Expedition
Total = 35 Actions
EPA = (132-5)/35 = ~3.63!! … or a little less, depending on what Dock Favours cost.
Is this right?!?!
The 40 supply one is 3 night-whispers
Assuming you use the 3-crate option
It’s 13 actions w/o getting crates or letting your opponent gain on you. Add 2 actions to lower your opponent’s advancements.
Then 40 crates = 10 dock favours +10 actions
1 Favour =?? + 1 action
So 35 actions (minimum)
62.5*3/35 = 5.36EPA (rounded)
Without loss of resources, little gain of the opponent and assuming you use dock favours.
This would make it very profitable
Yes. The 30 supply one is the one to go for - the reward is 2 items worth 62.5 echoes each. The expedition takes 1 action to start, 1 action to finish, and as long as you can 100% the 3 progress challenge, it takes 10 actions to get to 30 progress.
(The strategy to go for seems to be taking the 3 progress action for the first 8 actions and the final action, and the 2 progress action for the second-to-last action if you never find A Sign , the 1 progress action for that action if you encounter A Sign, and you save an action if you encounter A Sign twice, which should happen about 8% of the time)
The cost of this expedition is 29 crates (as the first progress is free), minus whatever you save from A Sign. There are 9 chances for A Sign to save you 4 crates, and 1 chance for A Sign to save you 3 crates. Each Sign has a 5% chance, for a total average savings of (9*.054) + (.053) = 1.95 crates. Thus the average cost of the expedition is 27.05 crates and 12 actions.
Now we have to calculate the cost of the crates. Assume no docks favors (because these are not reliable), and instead assume that the crates are gained by getting Strong Backed Labor in the side streets (for 13.5 echoes and 1 action per labor, plus 1 action to convert the labor into 5 crates). This makes each crate cost 2.7 echoes and .4 actions, and so getting the 27.05 crates costs 73.035 echoes and 10.82 actions
The expedition then takes an average 10.82 actions (for the crates) plus 12 actions (for the expedition itself) for a total of 22.82 actions.
The expedition reward is 125 echoes worth of items, minus the average 73.035 cost of the crates needed, for a total of 51.965 echoes profit
51.965 echoes divided by 22.82 actions gives 2.277 EPA, making this one of the most profitable grinds in the game.
As a side note this also makes docks favors considerably more valuable - 1 docks favor 1 action and 1 echo (assuming you buy rostygold wholesale) gives you 4 crates - 4 crates being worth 10.8 echoes and 1.6 actions. Deducting the cost, this makes the favor worth 9.8 echoes and .6 actions, and plugging in a conservative estimate of 2.277 echoes per action gives a value of 11.16 echoes per docks favor.
Edit: These values are not quite exact - they ignore the slight diminishing returns to signs after the second, which would reduce the epa slightly (although the chances of getting more then two signs is very low), but they also ignore the roughly 8% chance of getting 2+ signs and saving an action. If anything the actual EPA is probably close to 2.28
edited by eaglewiz on 9/5/2018
edited by eaglewiz on 9/5/2018
edited by eaglewiz on 9/5/2018
Very cool. Going to get spider lore ASAP, of course.
ETA: [color=#330000]Oh lovely, more spider-senate hints . . . the whole of the Law shall be everything is spiders, I’m sure.[/color]
edited by GuesssWho on 9/5/2018
I wonder if all this spider star stuff is setting up something that will show up Sunless Skies?
Chalcocite Pagoda has, shockingly, God-Eaters lore. This was an unexpected treat.
Three new WHAT now? Well, I’m glad I’ve been sinking my spare Docks favours where I have! Time to get my goat and start gallavanting through the Quarter like there’s no business.
Brilliant news, thank you very much. Absolutely my favourite pastime in the Neath.
Something I find strange is how the Wikia states that for the completion of Sanctuary of Crimson Petals you gain 1x Portfolio of Souls and 2x Bright Brass Skulls.
When I completed it I gained 3x Night-Whispers! (now completing it a second time to see it’s rewards)
For the Tomb of Silken Thread I got upon completion: 1x Judgement’s Egg + 1x Parabola-Linen
For the Chalcocite Pagoda: 1x Searing Enigma.
Perhaps the first time you go you gain the most Items, and each subsequent time you gain less and less?
There are two possible successes for the Sanctuary; the one listed on the wiki and the one that you got! They both have different text, as well.