Connected: The Docks rework in progress!

Fallen London
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This is a cool suggestion. It is a bit of a shame that there might end up being no reason to visit the Carnival ever again. No Unfinished Business, after all…

Although, that makes me think. What if the Carnival did have an Unfinished Business equivalent for Favours, given that the transition to cards makes previously existing grinds kind of weird?

Like, all 5-action options, all grant one Favour and an assortment of other things based on Renown levels, maybe a menace as well (what is a most exciting carnival, after all, if it doesn’t throw menaces at you?)

This might be a way to allow people to reliably acquire Favours without universally waiting for card draws, but not unbalance the whole thing.

(In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if maybe something like this was already under consideration.)[/quote]
It would be really neat, but i think it would need to be really pricey too- like, net loss even if you spent no actions on using said favors expensive. (after all, 5 docks favors sell for 7 echoes each, i believe.)12.5 echoes per favor sounds balanced, and unlikely to change to exploitable.

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So, this makes expeditions, harder?

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It makes expeditions quicker to prepare for, if you’re going to do stuff between expeditions, but slower if you’re not. It makes expeditions’ most effective route useable at any point in the game, but harder to grind expeditions alone.

If you’re planning on running expeditions non-stop, it makes expedition preparations more expensive- though arguably faster, as the tankard is really low supplies per action. still, you’ve definitely lost options, as your best option is now whispered secrets

On the other hand, if you’re like most people, and running expeditions as one-off things between other grinds, it actually makes them a lot more effective. paying in favors means that you can get a pretty good price, and is honestly the most repeatable use of favors, as the widow, the only option i’m aware of that pays more, zeroes the connection, making the best option for gathering favors unavailible until you get back to 3.

If you’re doing expeditions now, the trick is to stay between 3 and 4 favors, to draw the conflict vs. urchins card, then favor the docks, and spend your 3 new favors to get back down to 3 or 4 as fast as possible. repeat as needed. The other cards are good sources of favors. the conflict cards are amazing ones.

Each favor is 4 supplies, which is roughly 5.2 echoes, so don’t underestimate that.

(Also note the widow only requires 5 favors, not 7, so feel free to spend any surplus on supplies. you’ll lose them all regardless, and i’m pretty sure the rewards don’t scale, or don’t scale fairly.)

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I never quite understood, what are the benefits of raising your renown?

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They unlock new options at twenty. (Criminals unlocks a new card with 4.4 epa and Docks allows you to sponsor a sea voyage)

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Favouring the widow now gives 500 x Jade Fragment, 1 x Favour in High Places.

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Also brutal. Why is it that all of these changes continuously seem to make all things even less profitable. It’s a total RNG grind to 7 favors and it’s only worth 17.5 echoes? It’s actually worth less than 2.1875 echoes assuming you manage to get those favors with no cost which several ways to get the favors cost items which would lower the epa to the point where it’s possibly more efficient to ignore the cards entirely.
I get that math needs to be rebalanced. But it’s coming down pretty harsh. [quote=Corran]Favouring the widow now gives 500 x Jade Fragment, 1 x Favour in High Places.[/quote]
edited by maleclypse on 3/14/2016

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You only need 5 Favours: The Docks to trigger The Acacia and the Butterfly, so if you cash in then it’s ~2.92 epa, which puts it in the upper tier of opportunity card profitability. And there are (unconfirmed) reports on the wiki that suggest that you get more than 500 Jade Fragments if you’re cashing in more than 5 Favours. It’s a strong alternative to cashing in your Docks Favours for expedition supplies, depending on the balance of Widow and Urchins connections you have (trying to do both is probably unproductive, given that the Widow and Urchins also conflict).

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Thank you for correcting my math. I appreciate the help on that.

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I just ended up with collected research and other material rewards but no favors.

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I just ended up with collected research and other material rewards but no favors.[/quote]
It was true at the time of posting, it’s just changed since then. sorry!

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I just ended up with collected research and other material rewards but no favors.[/quote]
It was true at the time of posting, it’s just changed since then. sorry![/quote]
It’s fine, just giving a heads up to those trying to chronicle the changes.

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I am glad to see one does not need Docks’ favours to up-convert items.
Ever since the favours’ mechanism was introduced into criminals my silk trade has been plummeting.

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How exactly do you transform Favors to Renown again?
(EDIT: in general and in specific for the Docks?)
edited by Mysterion on 3/15/2016

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By using the appropriate faction item from the Bazaar - in this case the Tankard.

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[quote=Mysterion]How exactly do you transform Favors to Renown again?
(EDIT: in general and in specific for the Docks?)
edited by Mysterion on 3/15/2016[/quote]

If your Renown is 4 or below, go to the appropriate location at the Carvinal to gain 1 Favour and 3 CP of renown.

Once you’ve Renown 5, you can use the appropriate Connection item (Tankard for Docks, Skeleton Key for Criminals) to increase your renown at the cost of your Favours. We think it’s 1 Favour = 1 CP renown. You need at least 3 Favours to do this and it uses all of them. (This works until Renown 7. Then something else happens but I can’t remember what happens for Criminals and I haven’t unlocked the Docks yet!)

At renown Level 15, there’s a high level Quirk increasing storylet unlocked, requiring other goods, a stat check, and 7 Favours. This gives a lot of CPs of Renown each time but is somewhat expensive. It also will cap out as you’ll eventually be unable to reach stat minimum (for Criminals, this is Renown 50).
edited by Parelle on 3/15/2016

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Got it. Thanks!

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Had anyone tried the option under Aspiring Zee-Captains which now requires 20 Renown?

I wonder if the rewards are the same as they used to be for the option.

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Seems to be about the same for the Whirring Contraption outcome - the only difference is that it doesn’t decrease your Dock connection/favours.

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The only thing I don’t like is how renown is essentially only increased from using connected items. It is a massive bottle neck and feels far less organic than the previous methods of raising a connected level.