I have realised with some frustration that the reason FL’s new Railway releases are chronologically taking more time for me to access than others is because of my country’s timezone making my browsers fire them off later than everyone here. Yes, I am currently reading most of this thread with my eyes shut to avoid spoilers.
Do I understand correctly that there is no Statue-specific option on the card if you elect to build a statue to yourself?
Plus, is there any way to change the dedication once it is set, in order to erect a statue to a custom saint even while dedicating the church to St. Cecilia or the Drummer?
So far, I’m loving all the new content. It’s great to have uses for so many companions and various other options you’ve picked up over the years…
It’s amusing to me that the player character’s reason for building a church is really simple - one just wants to build a church, just 'cos.
Two words: Submerged Rector. At the very least for their piece of advice.
Hope we can marry them sometime; would like to visit Helicon House with their company.
Their advice is nothing. Ask them to deal with the Drummer…
You can change the dedication - after the church is finished you can pay 50 Fate and restart the story, wiping all choices. Not sure if that means demolishing the statue as well.
Dev hints now indicate that Memento Mori statue offers some unique opportunity, while Bishop statue will let you make Counter Verses.
edited by Aro Saren on 11/20/2020
I have founded my Church. And I have to say, it was satisfying. Moreso than the other stations, this felt like I wasn’t just working, but overcoming. There was a large investment of time, effort, anguish, and materials. And the end result of that is my church. Not just one with my name on it (although I did invent the Saint), but one that represents the decisions I made and goals I had when I made them. My decisions were important, which is always a good thing. There are even a few where I have tinges of regret (I adore my Aurochs-mouse, but if I had known at the time that the Mouse was named Mrs Frumple I may have chosen differently).
And that wasn’t easy to do! Mrs Guilded Minister wasn’t completely helpful in advising, even though I’m building the type of church that she wanted.
The mechanics were complicated, but transparent enough (and forgiving enough of early thrashing about) that it’s possible to lay a course and judge how well you’re sticking to it. And the instructions became clearer later on, as the stakes started raising, which I thought was good tempo. And there was just enough slack that I could make a few personal decisions, even if they were counterproductive to my goals, and have faith I wasn’t locking myself out.
I also really liked the Parish Council, which was all narrative instead of instructional, but still did a good job of helping me judge what both the short-term gains of an action might be, as well as the long-term connection between qualities and type of church. It felt like a victory that I was able to read the room on how to manage qualities to get the church that I wanted.
If founding the Church in the Wild were an Exceptional Story, it would be a pretty good Exceptional Story. The way that decisions had consequences, and the way that some earlier decisions played into later decisions, were a very good demonstration of quality-driven narrative-based gameplay.
My one major mechanical complaint was gating the Patron selection on a Board Meeting. I ended up not getting my Patron until after the Church was all done! While the end result is still what I wanted, I’m slightly bummed about potentially missing some Dean text from the Parish council. Might have been better to gate advancement (at least the final inspection) on the Patron having assumed their duties.
At least for the second chapter, my Patron (St. Fiacre) did not provide any advice, so you may not have missed all that much.
I wonder what the unique opportunity provided by the Memento Mori statue may be and if it can be more rewarding than putting up a statue finally properly acknowledging me as the Third Bishop…
I would be interested in knowing the rewards from making a statue to the Bishop of Bugsby’s, myself, if anyone would care to share that with me. (Also, I just completed that ES, and ended with the option to make myself Bishop, but I can’t put up the statue. Do I have to wait for an epilogue card, or what?)
Hey dudes, me and some other wiki peeps have finished documenting most of the content, including even failure outcomes for RNG rolls.
A guide to get the Church type you would want is not up yet though - the process of racking up the desired qualities is quite complicated because there are so, so many options.
I just completed that ES, and ended with the option to make myself Bishop, but I can’t put up the statue. Do I have to wait for an epilogue card, or what?[/quote]
There’s an epilogue card or storylet that flat out tells you that you can only be Bishop in name only, and asks specifically if you want to change your state of address to that title. This is the result you should be looking for.
[quote=Rostygold]Hey dudes, me and some other wiki peeps have finished documenting most of the content, including even failure outcomes for RNG rolls.
A guide to get the Church type you would want is not up yet though - the process of racking up the desired qualities is quite complicated because there are so, so many options.[/quote]
I don’t know if it would be of any help to you, but I went through the wiki any made a document of all the quality options I could find, to try to figure out a pathway for my own use. It’s not very well organized, I’m afraid, but if it would be of any use at all, please do anything you want with it.
Museum and God’s Editors branch are mutually exclusive by church choice, right?
Unfortunately, I think this is so.
I am in fact rather disappointed by the God’s Editors card. It is yet another card that clutters your Upper River deck (as it can be drawn everywhere, not just in Burrow-Infra-Mump). One option is very unreliable and does not give a very good payout, while the other adds yet another source of Church favours, which can already be be grinded in the Hinterlands, and much more profitably. It is weird and inconvenient that it’s non-discardable, too. Especially when you’re trying to finish as much of the Honey-Mazed Bear grind for Defender of Public safety before the balance changes make fishing for the needed card much more tedious. (This is probably the only heavily card-draw dependent endeavour in Hinterlands at the moment, though.)
Seems like you’re actually being punished for inviting the God’s Editors, as opposed to the Museum of Souls storylet, which is reliable, can’t really inconvenience you but provides various options you can dependably use to generate rather expensive items at a discount. I kind of regret being so staunchly anti-Hell now, and hope that the God’s Editors’ branch might be made at least a bit more useful in the future. As it stands, it seems more like a liability than an asset…
Yep, at least according to the wiki-- God’s Editors branch requires A Church in the Wild (i.e. the type of church you end up with at the end of the inspection) 50 to 69, Museum requires A Church In the Wild of 70 or more.
Well, it’s done. I’ve built a Brazen Brigade cult to the Drummer, and somehow managed to fob it off to the Bishop of Southwark, the Luminous Devil and an even stricter inspector as being somehow just the right about of heretical to stay under my guidance. And the great, terrible price exactly by this fallen prince of hell was…to play a drum for a while? This may be a weird culture thing but-I’m sorry, this is A MASSIVE POWER FANTASY for me, everyone and I mean EVERYONE in my country fantasises about rent this cheap. Like seriously-bleed from your eyes and ears ONCE in your life, be able to keep the freehold indefinitely? Praise Bee Satan and his extremely reasonable rental rates.
The other upshot to this whole event is the amazing power to REPEATEDLY GRIND INCORRUPTIBLE BISCUITS which coupled with the Octagonal Tomb for Final Breaths and smuggling industrial materials means I CAN FORGET ABOUT SKELETONS FOREVER.
I was disappointed that i am forced to build the Church. Why not school / university / lecture hall for spreading knowledge and scientific methodology? Why must we spread false believes?
edited by Waterpls on 11/22/2020
If they were true, they wouldn’t need your help with spreading.
Though I share your disdain, being anti-clerical myself.
Unfortunately, I think this is so.
I am in fact rather disappointed by the God’s Editors card. It is yet another card that clutters your Upper River deck (as it can be drawn everywhere, not just in Burrow-Infra-Mump). One option is very unreliable and does not give a very good payout, while the other adds yet another source of Church favours, which can already be be grinded in the Hinterlands, and much more profitably. It is weird and inconvenient that it’s non-discardable, too. Especially when you’re trying to finish as much of the Honey-Mazed Bear grind for Defender of Public safety before the balance changes make fishing for the needed card much more tedious. (This is probably the only heavily card-draw dependent endeavour in Hinterlands at the moment, though.)
Seems like you’re actually being punished for inviting the God’s Editors, as opposed to the Museum of Souls storylet, which is reliable, can’t really inconvenience you but provides various options you can dependably use to generate rather expensive items at a discount. I kind of regret being so staunchly anti-Hell now, and hope that the God’s Editors’ branch might be made at least a bit more useful in the future. As it stands, it seems more like a liability than an asset…[/quote]
I fell short of A Church in the Wild 70 so a Museum of Souls wasn’t an option for me at all, but wow it really does look more useful in every manner. Does anyone have the echo for providing a Judgement’s Egg?
[quote=Waterpls]I was disappointed that i am forced to build the Church. Why not school / university / lecture hall for spreading knowledge and scientific methodology? Why must we spread false believes?
edited by Waterpls on 11/22/2020[/quote]
I mean, that was the whole point of the lab. Yeah, we’re using the students to aid our research, but nothing says that you can’t solely dedicate your purpose to teaching students.
Honestly, there usually isn’t that Church content to begin with, so creating your own Church is a breath of fresh air. Besides, if you’re so worried about spreading false belief, you can just turn it into a Counter-Church and dedicate the church to a real saint, the Drummer. Granted, for me its a huge power fantasy to rally everyone to an devil-saint church, only to traumatize said devil saint to show him who’s really in charge, but I digress.
[quote=Hattington]
I fell short of A Church in the Wild 70 so a Museum of Souls wasn’t an option for me at all, but wow it really does look more useful in every manner. Does anyone have the echo for providing a Judgement’s Egg?[/quote]
Exquisite
He tenderly transfers it into a larger bottle, a display piece. The new centrepiece of the museum sits on a dais alone, unlabelled. It shivers softly in place, patiently waiting for the museum, the Earth, to crumble into dust. It’ll still be there, then. Don’t stand too close to it; something about that pale white light makes your flesh sting, like the touch of Surface nettles.
edited by Waterpls on 11/22/2020