In FL Last Constable leaves London with our help. In SSea there is a quest to find her. => There is almost no time difference between FL and SSea.
edited by Waterpls on 9/17/2017
[quote=Waterpls]In FL Last Constable leaves London with our help. In SSea there is a quest to find her. => There is almost no time difference between FL and SSea.
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Also Hunter’s keep. The Sisters are all living in that Mansion in FL. As they do at the beginning of Sunless Sea…
D*** that treachery of clocks.
But in all seriousness, I don’t think there’s an official date for Sunless Sea, and Fallen London is in 1895 right now. There’s certainly overlap in some storylines, but Failbetter officially says they aren’t linear or both true at the same time. They’re not supposed to be consistent. Just like Skies isn’t necessarily the ultimate future for London.
The three sisters being weird as they are, I was under the assumption they weren’t mortal.
But who here is?
I don’t recall the exact date, but starting a new lineage in Sunless Sea does start you out a number of years before FL. Then again, your brand new captain can receive a Whisper-Locked Puzzle-Box that an FL character got in 1895. And that brand new captain could, if you played for long enough, zail through the 21st century.
So yeah. Treachery of Clocks.
Just blame it on Parabola.
(Ware serpents)
Not to be confused with the Libation of Night, which, quite frankly, is a lot more hedonistic and a lot less deilluminative.
IMHO, the Liberation of Night (as described in many spoiler-tagged texts above) is not only selfish, it’s suicidal.
Not only would the Universe be unable to sustain plants and other food substances, the destruction of light would likely kill Mt. Nomad, the source of the vitality that preserves everyone in the Neath.
[quote=Catherine Raymond]IMHO, the Liberation of Night (as described in many spoiler-tagged texts above) is not only selfish, it’s suicidal.
Not only would the Universe be unable to sustain plants and other food substances, the destruction of light would likely kill Mt. Nomad, the source of the vitality that preserves everyone in the Neath.
Wait I thought the mountain of light/Stone is the source of the immortality, not Mt. Nomad. Isn’t Mt. Nomad Stone’s daughter that prowls the Unterzee?
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Wait I thought the mountain of light/Stone is the source of the immortality, not Mt. Nomad. Isn’t Mt. Nomad Stone’s daughter that prowls the Unterzee?
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That is correct. I think Stone was the one meant. [li]
I don’t really see the Liberation as suicidal.
People of Neath (or any people, for that manner) don’t need light to live. The Stone does allow people to come back and heal quicker, but that is also part of the Laws constraining us. Without the Laws, there are no requirements for food or constant shape or death, so people won’t die because of that.
We need a trial run, is what.
Lock somebody in a lawless vacuum and see if they die or not.
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Wait I thought the mountain of light/Stone is the source of the immortality, not Mt. Nomad. Isn’t Mt. Nomad Stone’s daughter that prowls the Unterzee?
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That is correct. I think Stone was the one meant. [li]
I don’t really see the Liberation as suicidal.
People of Neath (or any people, for that manner) don’t need light to live. The Stone does allow people to come back and heal quicker, but that is also part of the Laws constraining us. Without the Laws, there are no requirements for food or constant shape or death, so people won’t die because of that.
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[/li][li]I do get confused about which is the Mountain of Light, sorry. [/li][li]
[/li][li]Not clear whether the need for food, and the types of food, count as laws. They very well may. Or all human life could pass out of existence because it requires certain laws which the Liberation makes impossible.
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I’d sum it up as "if Liberation is a good thing that people can survive and enjoy, we don’t know that, and who knows whether or not the Council knows." In any case, the short-term future described in the destinies doesn’t sound like there’s anything positive about it, and after that it’s anyone’s guess whether people will
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go on like that, as a human hive, for ever
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starve to death as no new energy is delivered into the ecosystem
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adapt and build something actually worth living in - which’ll then be targeted again by the Council because, heaven forbid, that’d require division of labour which would soon enough have us straight back at hierarchies which are bad because reasons
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another species that doesn’t find darkness a problem at all replaces us in an environment that debilitates us and favours them, and so everyone is eaten up by red-honey-morlocks or giant mutant cavefish
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we find that new laws of the Sable Sun are replacing the old ones as we speak and we’re right back where we started, except in an environment we didn’t evolve for, without a Neath to hide in, and with and a ruler that might deem us bourgeois remnants of the old power and to be replaced with something more pleasing ASAP.
But hey, maybe everything will just go perfectly and nothing will go wrong with the project of shutting down the laws of nature we rely on for our existence.
…I’m sorry for how snippy this ended up being, but I really have a bee in my bonnet about LoN. I’ll have no truck with optimism of that caliber, thank you very much. :p
I suspect the LoN will end up with things being roughly the same as before, just in a different form. A “revolution” in its most literal sense: a big-ass circle. Old tyrannical systems and authorities replaced with new tyrannical systems and authorities.
Well, Liberation is a very imprudent deed in several ways.
First of all, it’s origins are actually of Judgemental nature - it’s founded and backed by some rebel black sun, who isn’t actually keen on the whole Law principle, it’s just in it’s way of killing the rest of Judgements. Judging (yes) by its servants and conversation it’s just your another petty tyrant, whose twisted habits are prohibited by peers and who prefers to murder all, who disagrees with it.
At human stage we have founder in Manager, whose only reason is desire to die, and beyond that he doesn’t care. Well, we also have December, but their motivations are unknown. All other Calendar Council either don’t really care about Liberation or just your another social darwinist, who wants to run unopposed. In “Cut with Moonlight” we see them instating even more constarining and ruthless regime, with the only significant difference is their ability to kill freely.
We also can see supporters in Iron Republic, but there’s a catch - devils can forge new Laws however they see fit, and all that lawlessness is just an entertainment of sort to them, with main Hell being rather strict in rules.
Destiny shows us one more participant - sorrow-spiders, which are inexplicably ready, when it comes. And these buggers only use and discard people to further their plan at best.
So, in a nutshell - some maniacs are not happy with them being not on top, and to change that they recruit rare well-meaning dupes and eqaully power-hungry fanatics, who don’t understand, that in their new world they will end not on top, but as a fodder to the ones on top.
So, yeah, full-circle revolution with bonus in foreign benefactor, who just wants to dispose of concurrent via other’s hands.
The only sympathetic figure here could be Manager, but this is still too selfish to pity him.
Soooo… From what I gather, those who follow the Liberation of Night are basically extreme versions of Social Justice Warriors. :D
[quote=Aro Saren] Well, Liberation is a very imprudent deed in several ways.
First of all, it’s origins are actually of Judgemental nature - it’s founded and backed by some rebel black sun, who isn’t actually keen on the whole Law principle, it’s just in it’s way of killing the rest of Judgements. Judging (yes) by its servants and conversation it’s just your another petty tyrant, whose twisted habits are prohibited by peers and who prefers to murder all, who disagrees with it. [/quote]
A very interesting comment. However, I can’t seem to find anything in the Sunless Sea to serve as proof that the black sun solely seeks to destroy other Judgements and not to truly affect the laws. The Eye - Official Sunless Sea Wiki . Even the fact that it founded the movement is more implicit than anything else. Is there a different source I am unfamiliar of?
The Manager isn’t really the founder, he is just the oldest participant whose identity we know of. He explicitly expects to persist after the Liberation and believes it is a worthy goal even though he himself won’t be freed from his past. Thus, he seeks it for others’ sake. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Menaulon?fromEchoId=12296558
We really don’t know that much about other Calendar Council members, but January at least seems dedicated to documenting the injustices caused by the current order, which are her reasons for supporting the Liberation. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Menaulon?fromEchoId=9889638 (more below). February may be ruthless, harsh, and generally unlikeable, but one can’t say she doesn’t care about Liberation. I’m genuinely unsure who you mean by "social darwinist, who wants to run unopposed". Feducci? But there isn’t really evidence he is a part of the Council in any form. In "Cut with Moonlight" we see things that have never actually happened, delusions from warped sunlight. They can’t serve as descriptions for the existing Council. Manager, for example, definitely shouldn’t be a part of the one above London.
Hell’s rules are strict, but they are also far more lax than those of surface or even London. Devils overthrew their nobility and their relationship with time is quite … strained (see Devilish Fedora). Iron Republic is also quite different from the Liberation of the Night in principle, despite some parallels in the initial effects.
For sorrow-spiders, there doesn’t seem any organized activity on their part. Their cultists are pretty much directionless in the Gleam destiny. The spiders attack, yes, but so does the Captivating Princess and the player of Appettite. They certainly aren’t Revolutionary supporters, they just have the skills to take advantage of it.
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[color=#99CC66]Let’s avoid using the term Social Justice Warrior, even as a joke. It tends to make people feel more uncomfortable than amused. [/color]
The Liberation of Night, illustrated: