We're Gonna Need A Bigger Goat

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[quote=Alexis Kennedy][color=#009900]That’s some respectably goaty striving on Tommy’s part.[/color]
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[/color][color=#ffffff]The ‘Tree of Ages’ is a hunter of eyes.[/color][/quote]

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Wait, &quotTree of Ages&quot? I heard that one… Do we have to breed Spider-Council with an Overgoat ? Oh my dear Buddhist Youkai Kung-Fu Jesus Christ, I killed one and sold another one to tigers and there is no more Spider-councils! Shall I rob the Fifth Coil of Labrynth?

If this is about Sunless Sea’s ship, then it can only be a highly Hydrostatic and Hydrodynamical ship-shaped Spider-Council, full of Zailing-spider pirates who rob eyeballs of any unfortunate ship’s crew that it graces. Remember: NEVER say &quotI know Correspondence!&quot when you see that living ship of many eyes.

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From what I read here you don’t actually have to do that.

The relevant part: (And no, you’re not obligated to chase down copyright ‘violations’ or risk losing them. That’s trademarks.)

Granted, it’s not an official source but there is some more about it in the comments and it can’t be too hard to find better sources online. Obviously UK law could be different from US in this regard but I have read on quite a few occasions that people are misinformed about companies needing to actively ‘protect’ their intellectual properties.

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I shall remove my own hand with a pen.
edited by babelfishwars on 9/3/2013

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So - back to goats. We’ve worked out it’s two goats or is even that still a hypothesis?

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I think it’s the most likely hypothesis until someone else manages to prove otherwise (i.e. by buying two goats and discovering they’ve been ripped off)

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I’m still saving for my first. Pity we can’t combine like power rangers and and … something witty and clever here.

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[quote=babelfishwars]

None of which addresses the issue that if the wiki is too readable, why would people bother playing?
Am I missing something obvious? (Yes, people could make donations, but no company wants to depend on charity. And there’s the issue of freeriders - if each person thinks someone else might donate, very very few will.)*[/quote]

Well, playing is not the same thing as reading, and reading only could never provide all the bragging items that spice up (some would say fuel up) the routine of most advanced Fallen Londoners, those that have hit content cap. And in my personal experience, it was reading on the wikis of things like the Obdurate Stallion, the Bifurcated Owl or the Ratwork Velocipede that ultimately convinced me to go for some Fate-locked stories; I still remember I saw the Stallion first on the wikidot one, and I thought &quotIt will be mine someday&quot. It is now ^^

[quote=Joy Phillip]Well my trip to the Iron Republic to see if I could find the Übergoat (see the umlat?) didn’t pan out. Had the Overgoat equipped and my Brass Ring, but no options to improve or get anythign that would help. So that’s a wash…

Back to the Labyrinth. I have a feeling that there’s an option on the THird Coil to help.[/quote]

It both relieves me and disappoints me - I’v never been to the Iron Republic yet despite having a safe-conduct, but I’m still a bit wary of the changing mechanics there. I’m somehow happy not to have to get there yet ^^&quot

All in all, I’d say the multiple Overgoats theory seems sound; I wonder if the Caprine Authority trait could depend on the number of Overgoats in one’s inventory. But at the same time, gee! I’m still resupplying my inventory, I’m not really in the mood to grind 11K and more Echoes again T.T

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Overgoated folks: does the Overgoat card with its Caprine Authority requirements recognise you as having a point of Authority even when your Goat isn’t equipped?

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[quote=Tommy Wi]Now, everyone better start pray for me and turn that cookie oven red-hot, because I shall purchase second overgoat when That card reappears and when I am right I shall demand cookies. Cookies go well with milk.[/quote][quote=Alexis Kennedy]That’s some respectably goaty striving on Tommy’s part.[/quote][quote=Overgoat]Caprine Authority +1[/quote][quote=Übergoat]Only the goatiest strivers may attain me.

Caprine Authority +2[/quote]
Y’all are driving me loco. XD You’re actually making me doubt that 1 + 1 = 2. Other than the fact that Alexis has stated that the solution was posted in the first 2 pages, by the above quotes alone, I’m already convinced that we need a couple of Overgoats. A pair. Romance. Mint-scented hay. Rolls in said hay. At this point, I would honestly be aghast if it wasn’t a pair of goats getting shaggy. I fully understand that this notion can be a terrible thing to believe (I cherish my mountain of Echoes, too!) but it has gotten difficult to believe any other suggestions.

In case anyone’s wondering, the wikia admins sent Alexis emails and we’ve received his response. No limbs were lost during the conversation, and none of you should fret. Please remember at all times that we’re vested in mutual interest to let the player base enjoy the game and the surrounding community as much as possible. I would really like to answer specific questions in depth, but I am extremely tired now and ready to keel over from a lack of sleep at any moment. Unlike Alexis, I shall not be overdosing on Redbull today just to stay with you madmen. ;)

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NOt that I’ve noticed. I have my goat equipped, I see the Caprine Authority on the animal itself, although I cannot find a quality or anything under any of the Qualities that says &quotCaprine Authority&quot when looking. I finally gave up because I ALSO don’t see a quality for &quotCommitted&quot given by the Spouse. So I figure it’s one of those hidden qualities that have a game effect even if it is not shown in the qualities list.

Now, if there was a user script or something that could show those hidden qualities, that could tell us. But until there is…

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NOt that I’ve noticed. I have my goat equipped, I see the Caprine Authority on the animal itself, although I cannot find a quality or anything under any of the Qualities that says &quotCaprine Authority&quot when looking. I finally gave up because I ALSO don’t see a quality for &quotCommitted&quot given by the Spouse. So I figure it’s one of those hidden qualities that have a game effect even if it is not shown in the qualities list.

Now, if there was a user script or something that could show those hidden qualities, that could tell us. But until there is…[/quote]

It definitely does not recognize a not-equipped Overgoat, I got the card just today and the options that required an Overgoat - and now require Caprine Authority - were locked until I equipped it.

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I posted my reply directly after reading Alexis’ first comment and before reading the rest of this thread (this is what I get for being away for a few days).

I didn’t expect the brouha that flared up in the last two or three pages of this thread.

Anyway, I want to comment one final time on it but Alexis please just ignore my post and focus on Fallen London and The Sunless Sea (1/6th of the way there after only six hours!).

I wouldn’t be surprised if between the wikis out there all the dialogue from Mass Effect is available online; not that there is that much of it in the first place.

Obviously the big difference is that Fallen London is a based only on text and static images and doesn’t have these flashy moving images or interactive ‘twitch’ gameplay that Mass Effect has. And Mass Effect 2 had huge plot holes but I digress…

I do think the value of wikis should not be underestimated; MMO’s would not have even a fraction of their player-base without wikis. Side note: it can be useful (though costly) to have your own (developer administrated) wiki but you’ll always have people creating their own as well.

Obviously you can get more of the total Fallen London experience just by reading the wikis than almost any other game. But I doubt it’s enough for anyone not to play the game because of this.

And as others have said: being able to read about certain, fate-locked or not, items/stories can be enough to push people in that direction.

The wiki would still work when you’d remove the flavour text and just summed up the items, connections, etc. lost/gained every action but it would lessen my enjoyment of the game, not the wiki.

It’s nice to be able to read the text again, assuming you even did the first time when a hasty click can lock you out sometimes. And yes, the journal is not very useful for this and giving it search functionality, etc. would cost you a lot of resources that I’m sure most of us would like to see spent on Fallen London proper and/or The Sunless Sea.

Anyway, I do understand that Fallen London is in a special position when it comes to wikis but I do hope things can remain as they are.

Would any of the forum readers happen to be a UK intellectual property lawyer? :D

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I think Zeedee was quite reassuring on this matter, if he said they had an email exchange with Alexis and we shouldn’t fret I’d trust him ^^
edited by streetfelineblue on 9/3/2013

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I bore myself.
edited by babelfishwars on 9/3/2013

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I approve of streetfelineblue’s post. :)

Edited cause of babelfishwars’ edit. :)
edited by Corran on 9/3/2013

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[quote=Corran]I approve of streetfelineblue’s post. :)

Edited cause of babelfishwars’ edit. :)
edited by Corran on 9/3/2013[/quote]

:-D

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I’m not sure I believe in the Ubergoat. I think it’s a wild Ubergoat chase :D

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I had the cash on hand, so now I have two Overgoats. I will report back.

The suggestions seem to be: Fourth Coil of the Labyrinth; something on the opportunity card; something in Wild Words? I can’t for the life of me remember how you use the Formula for whatsit, though–possibly it’s not usable anymore, after concluding that storyline?

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The formula is used by getting to 6 in all three of the breeding quality things; if you don’t have the creature from a certain animal then the option will show up to create it

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Ah, thanks.