I’ll need to check on polite parties at the lodgings to see if that is the case as well,and if this line of theory holds then any place you can’t possibly draw a K&C Card is a safe zone. Very interesting…
I’ve had bronze attacks on the same person both fail and succeed, so it’s still possible to goof up and lose some even if your stats are higher
Well yes, as I see it it is a game of rock-paper-scissor but the scissors will occasionally crack the rock and so on.
It’s not really rock-paper-scissors. In RPS, there’s a clear progression of rock beats scissors beats paper beats rock; they don’t have three different qualities, each is just itself. In K&C, every form has a strength that can beat every other form (except for the lamp, which is balanced).
Like Spacemarine, I’ve lost attacks I should definitely have won, going by the stats. So there is definitely a strong luck component, as well as the tactical side of things.
attacking someone you know is egg and losing is the Worst Thing
Well, if others are still seeing the luck-based checks, I guess I’ve just been unlucky. Attacking weakest to strongest stat would give a 17% failure chance under broad checks; with strongest to second-weakest being around 37% and strongest to night-lamp’s 90 being around 45%. Having seen zero successful defenses in the last few days, I thought maybe things had changed. Certainly it indicates something other than broad checks, unless my luck is really very crummy. Either way though the solution appears to be to do more attacking… ;)
Could be the difficulty scaler is different to regular challenges, who knows. I’ve only had like one successful defense in the past two weeks or so too.
e: make that two!
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[quote=Owen Wulf]K&C Tip:
- If you find yourself low on tokens (1-2) and are under heavy pressure simply head out to Zee on your boat - no one can attack you outside Fallen London.[/quote]
Incidentally, I wish some sort of exception were made for people who have > 4 tokens, and who have attacked you in the last 24 hours. The number of people attacking me with perceived impunity, then retreating to safety, is on the rise - and while not yet alarming it is a worrying trend. Besides, there’s little that amuses me more than the idea of bursting forth from their own ship’s hold, stabbing them, then diving overboard to be picked up by my own waiting ship. Except, perhaps, dropping silently from my carefully concealed crevice in the amber to ambush them while surrounded by curious tentacled onlookers. In other words I would love an option for attacks “where they least suspect it” even if they had additional costs in terms of bribes or supplies.
i do kind of wish there was an option to actually properly hide out and get a defensive bonus of some form because right now my options are “cheese it and hide out somewhere” which is lame or “lose all my tokens in the course of half an hour”, which is lamer still. i wouldn’t mind so much if i didn’t have anything at stake, but having a bronze skull token has changed that
after losing six tokens in the space of ten minutes and very nearly getting wiped out of the game i don’t really know what else i can do besides exploit a dumb thing until something changes
edited by Spacemarine9 on 4/15/2013
Another thing is that you can change SN name and be practically invulnerable, since people don’t know your name.
Except if you’re one of the regular forumers, of course - then lots of people will have added you, no matter what. I really can’t wait to be able to find people’s SN name from FL names…
i’ve mainly been stabbing alexis kennedy anyway he has like a million nex so its not like there’s any major deal if he gets knocked out of the game
the downside is that i occasionally discover i’ve volunteered for stabbing testing procedures without noticing
unfortunately his token supply is limited so then i end up stabbing someone else instead: i try to mix it up so i don’t stab the same person twice but then i have to run the hell away out of london again so i don’t get massacred by another multi-attack barrage that puts me at 1 token
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I don’t intrinsically have a problem with this, since it’s an in-character solution. However, it does point out the problem with using opportunity cards with linked storylets as the primary mechanism for K&C.
You need to decide to make an attack before you know who your possible targets are. If, after declaring you want to make an attack, you discover that the person who just attacked you has ducked into a place of safety, it’s too late; you’ve already spent the card, and your only option is to attack someone else.
I think it’s a reasonable tactic, but the mechanics give it far too much weight.
However, I have a special scorn for those who attack you and then change their account name. I’m keeping a list for the day when you can attack someone by character name instead of account name, and look forward to striking them down with great vengeance and furious anger when that day arrives.
Personally I find the whole system of attacking added friends ridiculous. I mean, if we were drawing from a registered pool of people to attack it would be all well and good but this is far too selective. We should just be given a target, not told who it is, pick our strategy and someone on the other side of the internet we didn’t know will suddenly be fighting for his or her or it’s life. For Heavens sake, we are simply adding people to our friends list just to stab them - does this seem wrong to anyone?
Here is what I think should happen (& I’ll add it to FL Suggestions)
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Make attacks on people random so we don’t just grind the same person over and over.
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Make it so when you get a bronze medal or any medal above it you qualify to a higher league were you only contest with people there.
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Add some kind of permanent reward (clothes, weapons, rare materials) so that when we lose all our tokens we might just have fought hard enough to have something left over.
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Institute a system for people who are AFK or away for a length of time.
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For thefts of valuable exotica we should use rare items (Comprehensive Bribes, Blackmail Material, etc) to make a chanced roll at finding and taking the item in question.
What do you guys think?
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edited by Owen Wulf on 4/15/2013
[quote=Spacemarine9]i’ve mainly been stabbing alexis kennedy anyway he has like a million nex so its not like there’s any major deal if he gets knocked out of the game
unfortunately his token supply is limited so then i end up stabbing someone else instead[/quote]
Mr. Iron himself makes for quite a spectacular pincushion.
haha no i’ve tried and failed that once too often
besides he’s too lame to have a bronze token, apparently
i think random matchups are a much better idea, tbh. it lets announcements of the best stabbers be an actual reward instead of a goddamn death knell ending in a flurry of knives, for starters
edited by Spacemarine9 on 4/15/2013
Has anyone seen if Heart’s Mirror makes you lose your tokens? Chess is one of the best ways to lose Wounds, and it’d be a pity to lose that.
If you’re on a self-imposed Zee exile, letting your Wounds reach 8 at Hunter’s Keep resets them to 5, and doesn’t lose tokens as of two minutes ago. Iron Republic lets you manipulate all the Menaces, but less predictably.
[quote=Owen Wulf]Personally I find the whole system of attacking added friends ridiculous. I mean, if we were drawing from a registered pool of people to attack it would be all well and good but this is far too selective. We should just be given a target, not told who it is, pick our strategy and someone on the other side of the internet we didn’t know will suddenly be fighting for his or her or it’s life. For Heavens sake, we are simply adding people to our friends list just to stab them - does this seem wrong to anyone?
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edited by Owen Wulf on 4/15/2013[/quote]
It doesn’t seem wrong to me but for me so far it’s not producing fun results. I find I am being stabbed by the same few people, often several times a day,. One of them has admitted to me that it’s because his friends’ list is so limited. Worse, since changing Forms is tied to the same few cards I cannot change my Form as often as I might wish, and there is no other meaningful way to enhance one’s defense.
Judging by my results, my old stats (by which I gather you mean “stats from the last time K&C was in the game”) are meaningless. I agree with your sentiments for desired changes, however.
[quote=Owen Wulf]
[snip] In addition, being able to hold 4 cards allows you to hold three cards for K&C actions. So if you own the Premises on the Bazaar and a Reservation in the Royal Bethlehem Hotel (which I will shortly) then combined with the Soft-Hearted Widow Card and another one you can get from a reputation of 10 with the Criminal and Church and you have a large number of chances for K&C floating around or always in your hand.
This is useful because if someone attacks you then you instantly know where to hit them and can retaliate sufficiently.
edited by Owen Wulf on 4/7/2013[/quote]
Hah. I’m lucky to get two of the relevant cards in a 24-hour period. :-(