Oh, I see what you’re saying. But didn’t someone gain AFP from the rare success right when the content was released? IE before they could have gotten to Poet-Laureate 6.
We’re trying to piece this together from any available record.
If someone can confirm that, indeed, they gained AFP from the rare success with a low Poet-Laureate level we’ll have to adjust our conclusion.
So far, the existing evidence we could find fits the proposed formula.
So… you can stockpile fine works, and deliver one by one in the end. Are we sure about that? I would hate to gather 300 fine works and then give them up to achieve one level of Poet Laureate.
As an aside, I am also dissapointed you get nothing for the grid. I did Courier’s Footprint and I was a bit taken aback by the fact that there is no special text for your troubles, but narratively it did make some sense (though it did not make for enjoyable play). However, getting to Poet Laureate and not even getting a wreath as persuasive gear, or a title you could put in your mantelpiece as you did with Dilmun Club, seemed very sloppy. If the Court and its honours don’t bestow titles and preposterous jewelry upon you, who will?
I must admit, I do agree. I was accepting something along the lines of an Accomplishment at the very least, maybe even a little commemorative gear. But no. We don’t. At the very least, we have something to prove our success.
http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Reinol%20von%20Lorica
That’s how it’s supposed to work, yes.
But I wouldn’t recommend grinding 300+ "A Fine Piece" anyway, since the occasional rare success when submitting your work for review can give you quite a few AFP by itself.
I think I got +5 at two (maybe three, over two different characters) at different levels, so I don’t think it’s a deterministic formula from current level.
Last week, I verified that it took only N+1 when requiring N. I verified this at, I think, when it required 20, I had 22, and it only took 21. Even before that, whenever I got +5, the very next action also only took "requirement+1". After that, I reported it as a bug, and while I never got a reply, somebody elsewhere reported that FBG confirmed this as a bug and fixed it to only taking N (instead of N+1).
So I am 99% confident that you won’t lose all of it at once if you get 300.
[quote=xKiv]I think I got +5 at two (maybe three, over two different characters) at different levels, so I don’t think it’s a deterministic formula from current level.[/quote]Do you have screenshots of any of these? Because, so far all of the documented evidence fits this formula.
On one of my alts, I just did 1, 2, and 3 in succession after publishing the 3 new poems and 3 new novels, so it seems that you can stockpile them and trade them in all at once. I also probably wouldn’t wait until I had 100 or whatever, but it will be useful at the end when I use my mood to get to the end and need the mood card.
Exactly. It will be useful at the end, since moods dissipate in an hour.
By the way, I have Persuasive 267 with all the Best in Slot gear and Renown Items in place.I have no overcap in place (I do the Nadir a lot, so it would eventually go to waste) and a Watchful Destiny. So even a mood won’t do it for me. Do you have any advice as to where to get the missing three points? Or do I have to specialize?
Are you sure you have all the best in slot gear? I have +71 Persuasive from gear.
Are you sure you have +71 from gear? Looking at your profile, I can calculate only +68 (with an extra point compared to Anne coming from a spouse)? Is there something I am missing or do you have some more persuasive gear you are not wearing?[li]
You should be able to get 70 with regular gear.
Hat: 10, bazaar
Body: 10, bazaar
Hands: 8, bazaar
Weapon: 10, Docks renown 40 item
Feet: 5, bazaar
Companion: 10, TC renown 40 item
Affiliation: 1, newspaper/god’s editors
Transportation: 8, society renown 40 item
Home Comfort: 8, church renown 40 item
Total: 70 (90 after replacing hat with mood)
You can get slightly more with a spouse/salon/parentheum club, plus of course destiny and overcapping.
edited by Kaijyuu on 11/17/2017
Are you sure you have +71 from gear? Looking at your profile, I can calculate only +68 (with an extra point compared to Anne coming from a spouse)? Is there something I am missing or do you have some more persuasive gear you are not wearing?[/quote]
The gear visible on one’s profile only reflects what one is wearing at the moment. If you see me with +9 on Dangerous, that doesn’t mean I don’t have Dangerous gear; it means I am suited up for another priority. Even if I am suited up for Dangerous, exigencies might force me to trade out a particular piece for some other. Ergo, a snapshot of what Optimatum is wearing at any given moment is not a definitive statement over what gear he has available.
Thank you so much! Funnily enough, I was missing the Bazaar gear (dress and ring). With the Salon, I am now at +72. A mood will do the trick when the time comes.
Are you sure you have +71 from gear? Looking at your profile, I can calculate only +68 (with an extra point compared to Anne coming from a spouse)? Is there something I am missing or do you have some more persuasive gear you are not wearing?[/quote]
The gear visible on one’s profile only reflects what one is wearing at the moment. If you see me with +9 on Dangerous, that doesn’t mean I don’t have Dangerous gear; it means I am suited up for another priority. Even if I am suited up for Dangerous, exigencies might force me to trade out a particular piece for some other. Ergo, a snapshot of what Optimatum is wearing at any given moment is not a definitive statement over what gear he has available.[/quote]
You’re both right, in a sense. I equipped all my Persuasive gear to check my total, but since I’m currently on Winking Isle I had to sell my ring. Normally I would have +72 Persuasive (I also forgot about the Salon when switching back from BDR gear).
You lose the hat with the mood, but if you’re at 260 instead of 270, you’re still good, correct? I keep forgetting to calculate losing the hat when I plan to use the mood. When I was working on Courier’s Footprint, I put a hat on with no watchful to remember where I really was. You could do the same with Persuasive since you have plenty to pass the skill checks on the way.
edited by Tay1or on 11/17/2017
I did it as follows:
Hat: Fecund Amber Tiara
CLothing: Exquisite Ivory Gown
Gloves: Twelve-Carat Diamond Ring
Weapon: Location of an Underground Organ (Could be the Mine)
Boots: Pair of Masterwork Dancing Slippers
Companion: Newly Born Frost Moth (Could have been the Minister of Culture
Affiliation: Salon
Home Comfort: Beatific Stone
Club: The Partheneum
Am I correct in that grinding Carnelian ballets is the most profitable way around this? Or is there a better approach?
As far as I can see, yes, grinding Carnelian ballets is the way to go. In fact, it provides an excellent echo grind if done over the (VERY) long term, much better that AotB, assuming that you have played the Blemmigan Affair and can therefore obtain Bohemians Favours using a highly profitable action on the Bohemians card.
You need 1 action to travel to the Court, 1 action to start the ballet preparations, 13 actions of raising Inspired via the Composition: The High Path storylet, and 1 action to stage the ballet, for 16 actions per ballet staged. (If you can do more than one cycle at a time you can save the traveling action cost, but you are trying to grind echoes as efficiently as possible you also don’t want to be drawing cards in the Court if you can help it. Other locations have better cards.) That results 30 echoes of Moon Pearls and 3 Tribute (worth the equivalent of 9.375 echoes when cashed in at the Court of the Wakeful Eye), at the cost of 6.5 echoes of honey. That’s 32.875 echoes for 16 actions. Of course, that doesn’t take into account the 1.55 actions necessary to cash in Bohemians Favours to obtain the requisite honey (we can ignore the action cost of obtaining the Favours, since the Blemmigan option on the Bohemians card is highly profitable even disregarding the Favour received), nor the 4 actions required to cash in every 20 Tribute in the Court of the Wakeful Eye, nor the ~40 actions necessary to zail to the Court of the Wakeful Eye and back. The zailing makes it necessary to do this over the very long term.
If you staged 100 ballets, I calculate that (assuming 40 actions for round-trip zailing time) you would spend 1854.76 actions for Moon Pearls and Wakeful Eye treasures worth a total of 3287.50 echoes, for an EPA of 1.772. (If you instead just sold all of the honey you got from those Favours and spent the rest of your actions doing AotB, you would only make 3113.5 echoes from the same number of actions.) The longer you wait to take the trip, the higher the EPA becomes. (If you only staged 50 ballets, for instance, the EPA would only be 1.735.) Ignoring zailing, the EPA is 1.81, equivalent to the Assassins/CoC grind.
Obviously this is a Fate-locked grind, since it requires having played through the Blemmigan Affair. And it’s a slow grind, since it depends on the Bohemians card for honey, and you only have about a 50/50 chance of getting a Favour when you use the Blemmigan storylet on that card. (Getting enough Favours to stage 100 ballets would require drawing the card more than 300 times, which would take the better part of a year. And that’s assuming that you would use every Bohemians Favour for this purpose; you almost certainly get a better benefit in the long run from the Bohemians conflict card, so you would only use these Favours for honey when the Bohemians card appears and you already have 7 Favours.) Still, for those in the midst of long-term echo grinding, combining this with selling orphans to the Court of the Wakeful Eye is a another way of making that zee-voyage as profitable as possible.