Reaching Scarlet Saint

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:edit: With the change from Connected to Renown complete, at least parts of this guide are now obviously historical.

Currently grinding towards this on my alt, I thought I’d post here that the means last described in this thread still work.

For anyone interested, I’ll summarize: Scarlet Saint (a House of Chimes entry quality) needs Connected: Hell & Church 75 each, and Austere/Hedonist 12 each.

For Connected: Hell just build up a whole lot of Casing… and then sell all your information to the Brass Embassy. Do go beyond 75 to protect against stat loss here or there.

For Austere, go to the Iron Republic with Steadfast 9 and Wounds 6 or 7, then play the carousel described here. Bringing a Gang of Hoodlums, too, wouldn’t hurt your chances. Don’t stop at Austere 12, overshooting is useful to guard against accidental losses. Don’t worry about your Menaces, I’ve had both Wounds and Scandal far in the double digits while being there. You can get rid of it all in the end, and get lots of Iron Republic Journals for your &quotChanged by…&quot quality, too.

That carousel will also increase Hedonist to 10. Back in London, you should play University terms ending with you seducing the Provost of Summerset. That’s 5CP every time - once again, overshooting beyond 12 is useful.
Oh, you can’t play University terms anymore? That’s bad luck, my friend, very bad luck indeed. See, that’s mainly why I’m going for Scarlet Saint on an alt, not on my first character… well, maybe you’re not that unlucky after all: the Feast of the Rose is approaching! You should probably spend all your time there enjoying the decadence and hope for many rare successes worth 5 CP.
Here are some Fate-locked options that can increase Hedonist beyond 10:a) There’s an option at the Feast of the Rose which raises Hedonist uncapped.
b) One possible choice near the end of Flint can set your Hedonist to 14 and erase all your Austere. Obviously, do this before going to the Iron Republic!
(If more get mentioned below, I’ll add them here)
Connected: Church is the most difficult here, there’s no quick way to bring it up to 75, really. You should bring some patience and…
I) …make sure you’ve got all the Church-related conflict cards unlocked at all times: Great Game, Bohemians, and Hell (that’s why it’s useful to overshoot Connected: Hell beyond 75). Siding with the Church on these cards is worth 30 CP every time.
II) [nerfed - see below]
III) …align yourself with the Church, the Constables or Society and play through the Counting the Days carousel. Get lots of Mark of Credit Pages and find decent homes for them (10 CP)
IV) …if you can, play even more University terms once you’re done with the Provost. End by &quotSpeaking against the proposition&quot in the Soul Trade debate (10 CP)
V) …breed Hounds of Heaven like mad and sell them to the Bishop of Southwark in the Labyrinth of Tigers (10 CP each time)
VI) …always choose A disgraceful spectacle! on &quotA Day at the Races&quot (10 CP)
VII) …save the verger on &quotThe Fallen Angel&quot if you still have access to this card (only for Dangerous 69-106; 10 CP on both options)
VIII) …work diligently with God’s Editors (5 CP)

If you’re a Shepherd of Souls (25 Fate), of course, you have access to a common card that can give you up to 500 CP at a time. Lucky you. Or you can just buy lots and lots of Fate and pray to your Tiny Jewelled Reliquary over and over again…

:edit: After having now completed my grind, I’d like to add that using only opportunity cards to increase Connected: Church from 20 to 75 works perfectly fine. Yes, I did play a few University terms and I bred a Hound or two, but you can do it just with cards. &quotA tavern dust-up&quot especially proved very useful as it’s really very very frequent (only in Watchmaker’s Hill, mind) - I once drew it three times in a row, and on average probably had it at least once in 20 cards (Remote Address, of course). Combine that with the conflict cards and &quotA Day at the Races&quot and you can progress quite fast.

:edit: &quotA tavern dust-up&quot has been nerfed, it’s now a one-time only card. :(
edited by phryne on 8/11/2017

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Since you’re mentioning Fate sources, if you play the Soul Trade and become a Shepard of Souls, you get a standard frequency card which allows you to spend lots of infernal contacts and souls for 500 CP of Connected: The Church (plus other benefits).

edited by dov on 1/14/2017

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There’s a Fate-locked option at the FotER which iirc increases Hedonist above 10. The simplest option is of course at the end of Flint, which sets Hedonist directly to 14 at the cost of all Austere.

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Having been grinding church for a while now, there’s two cards people likely overlook:

  • A Day at the Races (A Disgraceful Spectacle option), +10 CP
  • A Day with God’s Editors (Work Diligently option), +5 CP
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Are there really no other over 10 raises for Hedonist? I somehow had it at 11 (before bringing it back down to 10 by accident) and I hadn’t used any of those. I’m honestly shocked there are no other fate locked ways.

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There’s a rare success at the Feast which isn’t fate locked.

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So out of curiosity, with the Feast here, what is the Fate Option for Hedonist?

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I’m trying to get Edith’s hedonist past 10, and I believe I just got the rare success on &quotEnjoy the Decadence&quot at the pleasure garden. This is my result.

&quotYou were fortunate! Hedonist has not changed from 10 because it’s higher than 9. A Connoisseur of Neathy Delights has not changed from 7 because it’s higher than 5.You’ve lost one carnival ticket. Nightmares has dropped to 1. You’ve gained 8 x Romantic Notion (new total 262).&quot

So is this yet another hedonist-past-10 option that’s been removed? Or am I in the wrong place?

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[quote=Myrto]I’m trying to get Edith’s hedonist past 10, and I believe I just got the rare success on &quotEnjoy the Decadence&quot at the pleasure garden. This is my result.

&quotYou were fortunate! Hedonist has not changed from 10 because it’s higher than 9. A Connoisseur of Neathy Delights has not changed from 7 because it’s higher than 5.You’ve lost one carnival ticket. Nightmares has dropped to 1. You’ve gained 8 x Romantic Notion (new total 262).&quot

So is this yet another hedonist-past-10 option that’s been removed? Or am I in the wrong place?[/quote]
Nope to both. This is the standard success; the rare one gives a memory of light and an extrodinary implication.

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The rare success still exists for it, got it earlier. Need to get it a few more times yet, sadly.

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Excellent, thank you both! I’m so relieved!

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Bribing your way into Dante’s Grill. It’s one of the options on the Feast card and airs dependent.

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A little bump here…with Feast gone now, is there no way to get Hedonist high enough to use Counterfeit Head? I am, of course, waay past University storyline (probably my biggest regret in the game, not using that storyline).

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Selling your soul and a fate locked option when romancing devils are the only things left I believe.

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Is Scarlet Saint still attainable with Hell now using Renown?

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It looks like it. If anything it looks easier, as the Hell renown raising appears to push Hedonist to levels you’d need stuff like Feast of the Exceptional Rose for. Austere is ‘easier’ to raise high enough as is iirc.

So use Hell’s final renown option till your Hedonist is high enough, then use I think Iron Republic for Austere? This is only off the top of my head tbh
edited by Cthonius on 7/8/2017

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I too am now a Scarlet Saint. Thanks for the tips!
edited by ropewalker on 2/17/2018

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I am finally a Scarlet Saint! I almost chose Parabola once I saw the choices again at House of Chimes but damn, I spent a day in the iron Republic and another a the Carnival so…

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Quick Question:
With Renown how high do you need it in both categories? (devils and Church)
And is the Austerity-grind in the iron Republic still viable?

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Renown 40 in both, Iron Republic still works