[quote=fishandchips]You need to have Menace-reducing items equipped. … I do hope the devs put in more Menace-reducing items into the game, especially the Wound-reducing ones, so they can be used if/when the Baby masque returns in a future Hallowmas.[/quote]I haven’t been using any menace-reducing items (the helmet sucks due to being in head slot so I left it out after the first day or so) and I’m having no trouble. The important thing is to just wear the mask and take the related masque options. Like I keep saying, that’s all you need to do.
Anyway, the infant mask has the bonus of giving a more profitable carousel than the other masques, especially if you have a little shapeling arts skill. I’ve been stocking up a fair bit on fossils and identities while grinding spirit.
[quote=fishandchips]By the way, you don’t really need the Masque cards often if you have a lot of Favours stocked up. I have experienced the Masque card stubbornly refusing to pop out of my deck, but many Favour gain cards appeared. If your Favours are 7/7 anyway you might as well use one to enter the Masque.[/quote]Like I said, this is good to do if the card is playing hard to get. But overall you should rely on the card as much as possible, since using favors means wasted actions and wasted echoes.
[quote=fishandchips]I popped into the other two Masques to take a look (and also to convert my Confessions), it turned out that I couldn’t progressed too far in them anyway, since I do not have many of their required expendable items e.g. Strong backed Labour, Knob of Scintillack, Presbyterate Passphrase etc. However I do have a ton of wines (Strangling Willow Absinthe) and maps, which can be used for the Pavilion grind. More expendables = less actions required = more Spirit gain in less time.[/quote]The options requiring the mask are always better and also cost-neutral, so it’s absurd not to use them if they’re available. I would not be spending those maps if I were you.
Menace-reducing items were beneficial at the beginning of the event, but things were re-balanced after a few days so it’s nearly a wash. The Spirit-per-CP-menace is now the same, but it saves you entrances & exits.
I feel like Actions are my limiting factor, not entrances. As long as you make sure to have the Mask equipped, the card lives up to its billing of “Ubiquitous.” It is, however, somewhat easy to leave it off by accident if you change outfits for something else. I would recommend editing at least one Outfit to equip it, and possibly all of them if needed.
And yes, always use the Mask options inside the Masque. They grant twice as much menace on average.
I would be able to make Knight of Hallowmas if I didn’t keep wandering off to do other things. I started playing with the new Laboratory system, and this morning I spent 20 actions fishing in the Waswood for Expertise of the Fourth City. The could have put on the mask and waited in London for more Spirit
I believe these are the Hallowmas rewards at the end? You use up your Spirit to exchange for items. Your unused Confessions can be used to exchange for items too. You can pick any number of rewards you like as long as you have the ‘currency’ to exchange for them, similar mechanics as the Rat Market’s bazaar.
Everything above 2499 goes towards the Knight of Hallowmas vanity quality, so you can’t choose rewards that add up to more than 2499.
For and endgame player, everything on that list of rewards is grindable except Element of Dawn. I think one particular point in the Bag a Legend ambition is the only other way to get one without spending Fate.
Not that Elements of Dawn are useful for much, but you might still want to take it into consideration.
[quote=Tsar Koschei][quote=Thjazi]All right, I admit I’m puzzled- I’ve been doing little since the start of the Festival but going through Masques and other Festival activities (collecting Confessions and trading them in, sharing menace-raising with friends when the Masque card just won’t show) and my ES main is still only at about 1500 Spirit (using the Baby) and my non-ES alt only just cracked 1000. Is there some trick I’m missing ? How are people getting such high Spirit? Are other people just getting the Masque cards much more often?[/quote]I really don’t see why this would be happening as long as you
use all your daily actions
use almost all of them on the masque carousel
always wear the mask while drawing cards
enter the party using a favor if you have a lot of actions and can’t draw the card
play the options requiring the mask whenever available at the party
I keep stressing this is all anyone needs to do to gain as much Spirit as you can reasonably need. Even EF only accounts for 20 actions a day so you should be able to hit 2500 without it. edited by Tsar Koschei on 11/3/2021[/quote]
Well, I just went through my entire deck without drawing the card.
It took me about 20 actions to go through the roof below, without the mask or spending resources (I am wearing the crown). Underclay is definitely the quickest for nightmares - 7 or 8 actions. St Elmo is a bit quicker that the other masques (10-15) if I spend my journals and presbyterate passphrases. (ETA: less if I only aim for 6 and equip a +1)
I gained 154 spirit in one day, using almost all my actions with not much else - collected a couple of favours, dropped into arbor to restock the presb passes. Could have got more, if I did only underclay, but I was testing and also I fancy St Elmo.
So I guess nightmares is the only way to go, unless you have access to some other quick menace grind. edited by Bluestocking on 11/3/2021
[quote=Bluestocking]Well, I just went through my entire deck without drawing the card.[/quote]That can happen… though it very seldom does, as long as you keep your mask on, like you’re supposed to. Anyway, this is when you spend a favor.
[quote=Bluestocking]It took me about 20 actions to go through the roof below, without the mask or spending resources (I am wearing the crown). [/quote]This is an excellent example of what not to do. Stick to the masque you have the mask for.
[quote=Bluestocking]Underclay is definitely the quickest for nightmares - 7 or 8 actions. St Elmo is a bit quicker that the other masques (10-15) if I spend my journals and presbyterate passphrases. I gained 154 spirit in one day, using almost all my actions with not much else - collected a couple of favours, dropped into arbor to restock the presb passes. Could have got more, if I did only underclay, but I was testing and also I fancy St Elmo.[/quote]I just did a full loop at the Roof Below with 10 actions including entrance, exit and cash-in, which is pretty standard, and I made 12,5e into the bargain, so there’s that.
Simple math for The Roof Below:
33% 5 CP Wounds (Airs 1-33)
33% 7 CP Wounds (Airs 67-100)
33% 1 CP Wounds (other airs)
Average (1 + 5 + 7) / 3 = 4.33 CP per Action when you are in.
6-7 Actions to get from 0 to 7 Wounds. + 2 Actions for entering and leaving. +1a for talking with the Fool.
Full loop 10 actions for 28 spirit. Assuming 100 actions per day * 14 days = ~4000 Spirit.
About cards. With optimized endgame deck I usually see card with standard frequency 1-3 times per day. Since mask’s cards are 10x more frequent they should show often enough even for early/midgame decks.
And since the masque takes 10ish actions to complete, you’ll most likely never have to spend a favor to get into one. A ubiquitous card that takes 10 actions will almost certainly get drawn more often than you have actions to spend on it edited by PJ on 11/4/2021
[quote=Ragnar Degenhand][quote=PJ] A ubiquitous card that takes 10 actions will almost certainly get drawn more often than you have actions to spend on it
edited by PJ on 11/4/2021[/quote]
That would be nice. Can’t confirm it at all.[/quote]
Same; I’ve repeatedly gone through the full deck 3-5 times without drawing the Masque card (and yes, always double-checking to make sure I’m masqued! I made that mistake once the first day, not doing that again). Which means that one non-menace making action I am doing is collecting favors, since they get spent on the entrance fees when I don’t get the Masque card ( I paid for the permanent version of the Infant, so I have the Moth mask too, so I’m spending favors as I have them on either Masque. The Infant is, alas, less ubiquitous than one could wish.
[quote=Thjazi][quote=Ragnar Degenhand][quote=PJ] A ubiquitous card that takes 10 actions will almost certainly get drawn more often than you have actions to spend on it
edited by PJ on 11/4/2021[/quote]
That would be nice. Can’t confirm it at all.[/quote]
Same; I’ve repeatedly gone through the full deck 3-5 times without drawing the Masque card (and yes, always double-checking to make sure I’m masqued! I made that mistake once the first day, not doing that again). Which means that one non-menace making action I am doing is collecting favors, since they get spent on the entrance fees when I don’t get the Masque card ( I paid for the permanent version of the Infant, so I have the Moth mask too, so I’m spending favors as I have them on either Masque. The Infant is, alas, less ubiquitous than one could wish.[/quote]
My experience across three characters is more like PJ’s. Maybe the RNG likes me for once?
I swear the infant’s become more common now than it was before. It wasn’t popping up every 5-6 cards at the start of the festival.
As a side note, I am perhaps irrationally proud that despite doing the event wrong for most of it’s duration, I’ve racked up 2400 Spirit without spending Fate on actions-and having done the ES.
My twin candle main managed to get 2268 spirits, max out his SotC, finished the crocodile story, and just came back from an accidental trip to the Mirror March. My sub-200 single candle alt who single-mindedly knocking the door of the infamous St Elmo club just hit 1282. edited by KenShi on 11/4/2021
The Marches, yes! Been there again this year and again I forgot about this card: A face in the mirror. It’s unlocked with Nightmares lower than 6, but it allows you fast travel back to your lodgings from the menace area without losing any of your dreams!
Sometimes I get unlucky with the Masque card not popping out from my deck. I’d just use a favour since the three relevant favours are 6/7 or 7/7, and more favour cards appeared, including my pet’s card.
You don’t have to wait for the Masque card to get in, remember the only bottleneck is actions. Sooner or later the Masque card will come out, and your favours will be replenished too.
Getting some favour types below 5/7 might be a prudent way to prevent certain favour conflict cards from appearing… those cannot be discarded.
I wonder if there are similar cards for other menaces during Hallowmas? I would imagine many oops moments while raising the menaces. Surely no one wants to go to jail, be exiled or die during the event and then crawl slowly back to London after expending many actions?
3600 Spirit. Well on track to hit 4000 by Sunday, while doing slow weekend play and still doing weekly items, any Docks favor cards and the Arbor card.
At least under the current regime, I’d say 3500-4000 is the baseline for full participation for the two weeks. At least for endgame players. edited by Toran on 11/5/2021
I have only 1551 Spirit as of right now. I might have had more but I was in the process of losing a local election Mon-Tues. (Actually, they’re still counting mail-in ballots, but at this point my chances don’t look so great.)