I’m on track to just get up to the 2000 now I’m dedicating more time and resources, but do I even WANT a vial of tears of the bazaar? Other than to sell.
I kind of resent Hallowmas for asking me to dedicate such a huge percentage of my actions for two weeks. I’m close enough that I might be able to get 2500, too close to not try, but I hope next year I remember to only use the Fool as a free menace-wipe. Grinding menaces to get Spirit, using the masques or otherwise, is definitely not worth it.
I probably won’t bother next year, but who knows! Grinding is grinding after all.
Well you can use them to get Master’s Blood, and they are helpful if you choose to do a Noman. Or raise your Melancholy.
Caroline collects them and Masters Blood for reasons she does not care to disclose, but she is focused on Wine items. Prof Al MIGHT have more use for Elements of Dawn, given her rather scientific bent though.
the vial is grindable, albeit rather slow. the element of dawn is only obtainable via Hallowmas.
Endgame player here , I’m just writing to share my experience.
I did all five steps explained by Tsar Koschei a few posts back right from the beginning and am currently at 2700 Spirit. I chose the Moth mainly because the affiliation sounds cool and I didn’t have it. I did not use menace reducing items, although I have both the cane and the goldfish. I did however spend 300 echoes on wines items at the bazaar in the middle of the festival when I wasn’t sure if I would be able to make it to 2500.
Overall I think I’m still missing something in my strategy compared to the other endgame players who cite numbers as high as 3500-4000 as "baseline" , it might be avoiding menace reducing items. But even so , I believe now that I would have reached 2500 by festival’s end even without the echo spend.
edited by Anthony on 11/6/2021
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[quote=Anthony]Endgame player here , I’m just writing to share my experience.
I did all five steps explained by Tsar Koschei a few posts back right from the beginning and am currently at 2700 Spirit. I chose the Moth mainly because the affiliation sounds cool and I didn’t have it. I did not use menace reducing items, although I have both the cane and the goldfish. I did however spend 300 echoes on wines items at the bazaar in the middle of the festival when I wasn’t sure if I would be able to make it to 2500.
Overall I think I’m still missing something in my strategy compared to the other endgame players who cite numbers as high as 3500-4000 as "baseline" , it might be avoiding menace reducing items. But even so , I believe now that I would have reached 2500 by festival’s end even without the echo spend.
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That’s what I did. 45 Spirit gain per Pavilion run. You need to equip both the cane and the goldfish, so you start with -2 Nightmares. Otherwise each Pavilion run yields only 28 Spirit.
I didn’t buy any wines, because I already had around 2k Strangling Willow Absinthes at the start of this event.
I hit 3080 Spirit yesterday and stopped. Grinding for Rat Market items is more important to me now. Unless there is more tangible rewards to hit 3.5k or 4k, which I doubt. I think I got the Hallowmas event reward and fancy title covered.
[quote=Anthony]I did all five steps explained by Tsar Koschei a few posts back right from the beginning and am currently at 2700 Spirit. I chose the Moth mainly because the affiliation sounds cool and I didn’t have it. I did not use menace reducing items, although I have both the cane and the goldfish. I did however spend 300 echoes on wines items at the bazaar in the middle of the festival when I wasn’t sure if I would be able to make it to 2500.
Overall I think I’m still missing something in my strategy compared to the other endgame players who cite numbers as high as 3500-4000 as "baseline" , it might be avoiding menace reducing items. But even so , I believe now that I would have reached 2500 by festival’s end even without the echo spend.[/quote]I mean, I’m on about 3200 now and I probably can’t be bothered to do any more masques this year. I’ve just been following the very simple procedure I’ve explained previously, and also doing a fair bit of other stuff unrelated to Hallowmas. So 3000-4000 for someone exclusively grinding spirit really seems quite easy to do.
I’ve accrued 265 unearthly fossils I can sell upriver later for scrip, and I’ve dropped some 200+ identities uncovered at the bazaar over the course of the event, so while it’s hardly profitable I wouldn’t call it a complete waste of actions. But yeah, if you care more about echoes than Knight of Hallowmas then you’re probably best off skipping the whole grind.
What are discordant missives?[/quote]
A kind of letter you can write if you’re a fair way into studying something that doesn’t exist. It’s pretty late-game.
edited by Kaunisenkeli on 11/6/2021
Sending them gives some suspicion, and reading them gives a bunch of wounds and nightmares. Receiving can raise your Steward of the Discordance up to 3, but you need it to already be at least 1.
Well you can use them to get Master’s Blood, and they are helpful if you choose to do a Noman. Or raise your Melancholy.
Caroline collects them and Masters Blood for reasons she does not care to disclose, but she is focused on Wine items. Prof Al MIGHT have more use for Elements of Dawn, given her rather scientific bent though.[/quote]
Curious. What IS she up to?
The Professor, as a mid-game Vake-hunter, already has an Element of Dawn. But she doesn’t have a mountain sherd.
Miranda wants the element, even though she doesn’t even have a lab yet. But she probably will before next Hallowmas. She’s not an academic. Her current non-ambition goal is to found a PROPER orphanage because that one was a chamber of horrors and obviously London needs a real one that is nice.
I gather a Noman is some Xmas feature, but I retain my low spoiler approach to these things. Non-zero, obviously, I do like a bit of guidance, but much fun is in the discovery.
I think I agree with PJ - this has been the least fun of the 3 holidays I’ve experienced. Put all our plans on hold and go grind for two weeks. After experiencing all the masques, (which are amazing, love them) there’s nothing else to do, but also you need to keep on doing it for the best rewards. Whitsun had you wait for your egg to hatch, so plenty of time to develop your own story. Fruits of the Zee could get frustrating at times, if you were trying to get that one specific item from the cove, but there were also the romances to arrange, and once you’d got your stuff you were done with grinding.
I feel like my design solution of "put a gachapon in it" is a little uninspired, but I’d be lying if I said cashing in Menaces for Spirit as well as randomized garbage wouldn’t make it at least slightly more engaging. And I do mean garbage: make hand-outs a random set of some ordinary 1-10 pence items with a 1/20 chance at a 12.50 one, maybe. I’m uncertain whether it being too analogous to Trick-or-Treating is a bad thing, thematically.
I think everyone is misunderstanding the festival.
It’s 14 actions to get Confessions. It’s MAYBE 5 to trade them in to get upgraded companions/new weapons.
Do you need to trade Confessions/get a Masque Affiliation? Okay! That’s maybe 20-30 more actions.
Spirit of Hallowmass is entirely vanity. You don’t need to do it. It doesn’t (as of last year) give you a reward that matters. Nothing is unique. Nothing is valuable.
Spirit of Hallowmass titles are the equivalent of Noman tattoos at Sacksmas. But with less depressing words behind it.
edited by Toran on 11/7/2021
[quote=Toran]Spirit of Hallowmass is entirely vanity. You don’t need to do it. It doesn’t (as of last year) give you a reward that matters. Nothing is unique. Nothing is valuable.[/quote]To be fair, players essentially have to figure this out for themselves against the backdrop of the whole festival having been mostly structured around spirit gain.
In light of that, and the exchange of up to 2500 spirit for items at the end, you could be forgiven for expecting to be meaningfully rewarded. It’s only when you actually see what you get and do the math that it becomes apparent the whole thing is a huge waste of time.
To be honest, at this point I’m wholly aware continuing to grind at 3380 Spirit is completely irrational and more importantly, a time sink I could be using for my precious worm. But I just want to prove I can do it even after wasting so many actions at Balmoral, dammit.
Even if sometime tomorrow, that worm will go back to being my personal Moby Dick.
[quote=Captain Blood Storm]To be honest, at this point I’m wholly aware continuing to grind at 3380 Spirit is completely irrational and more importantly, a time sink I could be using for my precious worm. But I just want to prove I can do it even after wasting so many actions at Balmoral, dammit.
Even if sometime tomorrow, that worm will go back to being my personal Moby Dick.[/quote]That’s the spirit! The vanity quality is worth more the Worm and I’m only saying this because I love rare and useless qualities. :)
3500+ and wondering why on earth (or under it) I’m participating in this ridiculous action suck. :)