Fallen Cities (A Great Many Spoilers)

[quote=Nathanael S. Wells]Considering that the &quotHand of Aten&quot appears in the context and company of the &quotTraitor Empress&quot and &quotThe King with a Hundred Hearts&quot, which both are the names given to Queen Victoria and the Priest-King after their trades and &quottransformations&quot, perhaps &quotthe Hand of Aten&quot is simply the name by which Akhenaten goes these days in the Neath, and perhaps related to a sort of transformation of his own.

Maybe the Masters reduced him to a walking hand.[/quote]
I am sorry to correct an educated gentleman as you are, but the King with a Hundred Hearts is not the former Priest King of the First City, but his lover. [li]

And I should have known! Consider my “Scandal” awfully raised, but of course the King was a traveller from far-away, not the Priest-King.

Okay, one scrap of text found.

Ah, here we are. Text blob number two.

The hatred of the Masters would be directed towards the daughters, not Akhenaten himself.

http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Schadrach?fromEchoId=3181890

I’m not altogether certain which thread to throw this into, but here’s something interesting –

[quote=scherzofrog]“The rain god Chaac was thought to live at the bottom of the sacred cenote, and many humans were sacrificed to appease him.”

wait, hang on[/quote]

[quote=deepdarkmarvellous]… Intriguing.

After an evening of honey-fueled speculation with the Fragrant Academic: “… you are both absolutely certain you know where the Third City was and why it fell. Sadly, when the hangovers wear off, neither of you can remember anything but fragments. Was it something about black mirrors? Or well-attended sporting events?”

From Wikipedia: “The Mayans believed there were three entryways to Xibalbá. The bottom of the sacred cenote was one entryway; the other methods of entry were through caves or through competition in the Mayan ball game.”[/quote]

I read almost the entire thread… and today remembered the &quotWhat the thunder said&quot cards. Suddenly I remembered something, that phrase somewhere else. I searched and it was a poem I like. Now, I had no reason to connect it to Fallen London, it was only to see if they got inspiration from it.

Then I saw something incredibly interesting. Aside from the poem and having a feel very much in line… there was a list of five cities. Guess what the fifth one was? All Emphasis Mine.

&quotWhat is that sound high in the air
Murmur of maternal lamentation

Who are those hooded hordes swarming
Over endless plains, stumbling in cracked earth

Ringed by the flat horizon only
What is the city over the mountains
Cracks and reforms and bursts in the violet air
Falling towers

[ul][li] Jerusalem Athens Alexandria[/li][li] Vienna London[/li][/ul] Unreal

A woman drew her long black hair out tight
And fiddled whisper music on those strings
And bats with baby faces in the violet light
Whistled, and beat their wings

And crawled head downward down a blackened wall
And upside down in air were towers
Tolling reminiscent bells, that kept the hours
And voices singing out of empty cisterns and exhausted wells.&quot

Read more: T. S. Eliot: What the Thunder Said | Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/t/lit/wasteland/thunder.html#ixzz3BfbYhhUd

Read more: T. S. Eliot: What the Thunder Said | Infoplease.com http://www.infoplease.com/t/lit/wasteland/thunder.html#ixzz3BfaJQlQn
edited by nurgle523 on 8/28/2014

My apologies if this has already been covered: I’m relatively new to the game and certainly have not read the entire forum.

It looks as though Amarna is all but certain to be the Second City, but I wanted to point out something else that may (or may not) be of significance: the Second City relics are described as &quot[g]ypsum heads and indecipherable clay tablets&quot.

The famous bust of Nefertiti was found in 1912 at Amarna by a team led by German archaeologist Ludwig Borchardt. While it is made of limestone, &quotBorchardt is suspected of having concealed the bust’s real value… [and] claimed the bust was made of gypsum to mislead the inspector.&quot

As for the clay tablets, another find at Amarna was that of the Amarna letters, an archive of tablets found in the remains of a building whose bricks are stamped with the words &quotCorrespondence of Bureau of Pharaoh&quot. They date from the time of the Eighteenth Dynasty and are primarily comprised of diplomatic letters between Egypt and its neighbours. One phrase often used is &quotI fall … 7 times and 7…&quot, for what that’s worth.

Interestingly, the letters are written in cuneiform pressed into clay tablets, rather than in hieroglyphs painted on papyrus. Admittedly, Akkadian cuneiform had begun to be translated by the 1850s, and so the letters could not really have been described as indecipherable after the Fall of London.

Interesting! The bust wouldn’t have been discovered at this point in Fallen London’s history, if we’re following the original timeline, but is there evidence of any other gypsum busts discovered there?

[li]My personal belief is that the First City was
[li]Troy.
Why? Well, firstly, what are commonly known as ‘First City Coins’ are in fact significantly younger than the First City, according to a certain Numismatist.
Secondly, Troy would have been ‘young when babylon fell’, and commanded shipping in the entire area around it, thus making it a ‘crossroads.’ I should note that there is a native species of cedar in the area, thus ‘the crossroads shaded by cedars.’
More subtly, Troy was supposed to be protected by Apollo… And need I explicate how it Fell? How could the Bazaar collect every great romance it could find, but not that of Helen herself?
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edited by wergeldt on 8/31/2014

The problem with that theory is that the lovers are both male.

Additionally, I don’t recall there being any temples with eyes printed on the bricks in Troy. And while Troy was certainly a powerful city, it was not an empire.

[quote=Sara Hysaro][/quote]

And we’re certain that that particular pair of lovers is from the First city, not the Third? I have not personally been to Polythreme, so I must rely on secondhand accounts…

edited by wergeldt on 9/2/2014

Yep, we’re certain.

A beautiful theory, ruined by ugly facts.

[li]

Welcome to academia.

I’ve been on a First City kick today. (A bit of Second and Third, too - and a sideline of wondering why there are twin obelisks visible in one Venderbight story image in Sunless Sea, but that’s by the by.) On one side, I’ve been looking at likely sites, and on the other, re-reading what we have from the games. I thought I might be able to compare SS’s Polythreme to real-world ruins, but, well, Polythreme is a giant terrifying skull with at least three different architectural styles on it, and most of the likely ruins are so ancient that there’s next to nothing to compare, and what there is is probably behind the paywalls of archaeology journals.

There has been a decent bit of recent study of Tell Brak - basically, I get the sense of a surprisingly large city with solid defences and big public buildings - offices, of a sort, with people making records, and eateries for workers and travellers. And, of course, the famous Eye Temple, named for both the big-eyed stylised figurines built into the walls, and the eye carvings in the decor. It’s a jolly interesting subject in itself, suggesting that urbanisation may have taken place earlier, on a larger scale and further north than previously thought. But, we don’t know a great many specifics about life in Tell Brak/Nagar. It seems not dissimilar to other Mesopotamian cities - established bureaucracy, division of labour, agriculture, crafting and trade. We might assume that, like its southern neighbours, it developed a mix of military and religious government - either an alliance between priests and kings or one side subsuming the role of the other.

Alright. So, what do we know about Polythreme? Well, for a start, I finally got the joke about Arcimboldo’s coffee house - very good. Aside from that… well, the place is as old as the hills, and it’s been shaped and re-shaped by the Masters and who knows who else. Heart’s Desire content describes mud-brick town in a dusty plain, next to a cedar grove. Now, as far as I can tell, the Upper Khabur plains where Tell Brak lies aren’t exactly known for their cedar forests - those tend to lie further west, near the coast. Still, no doubt cedars were important symbolically, and a grove is not necessarily a large, natural feature - so, who can say. Next, we’re told that this town was reached by a traveller from ancient China. That’s not at all impossible - certainly, Tell Brak’s trade routes reached quite far east, and China’s quite far west. A determined wanderer might well join the dots as the Silk Road later did regularly.

What about modern Polythreme? Honestly, I’m not sure. Much of the description of the architecture focuses on the Clay Men being born from the walls. This does rather remind me of the eye figurines built into the temple walls, though… could just be coincidence, but it’s a happy one. The temple is definitely specified as having eye carvings, though, so that’s a consistency.

Long story short, it’s not a dead cert - what is, in the Neath? - but I am considering it satisfyingly likely, considering the scant historical evidence we have to work with.

I have a few issues with the Tel Brak, theory, chief among them being that other than the &quotTemple of the Eyes&quot all the other evidence doesn’t really fit Tel Brak. So I went looking and found an alternate explanation that opens up the possibilities to more Early Mesopotamian cities.

http://www.ajaonline.org/online-review-book/1674
Of special note is the following quote:

The Square Temple at Tell Asmar and the Construction of Early Dynastic Mesopotamia, ca. 2900–2350 B.C.E. | American Journal of Archaeology - Picture of the statues

According to this and other articles I’ve read, these statues were a common feature in early Mesopotamian temples. The grouping around the threshold and courtyard of the temple - the areas that would be most prominent to any observer of the Fall of the First City - is significant, as are their most prominent feature: their huge eyes. Each worshiper would bring one to the temple to represent themselves and their worship when they were not at the temple. Thus, a temple in a larger town could be filled with dozens or even hundreds of these statues. In a city perhaps thousands would be throughout a large temple, though to my knowledge none that large have been discovered by archaeologists. Such a temple could be called a &quotTemple of Eyes&quot. It’s not the best explanation, but it could open up the possibility of other cities than Tel Brak as the First City, considering Tel Brak was not well known or an important city in ancient Mesopotamia, but other cities that would have had these temples were.
edited by MartzelDePamplona on 1/9/2015

Solution, as in love itself is not a solution to the Bazaar’s hunger?

The whole Notability mess also fits, but I guess you guys picked up on it a long time ago. To clarify, I mean that people with entangled professions are likely to cause significant consequences if they become absent or eaten or something. Parabolans losing a Glassman is more cosmically significant than the society losing a Notary after all.

Geez this speculation thing is hard.

That would certainly work, and would resolve my issues with climate. There does seem to be some evidence that the temple of, say, Uruk, had similar eye friezes to those seen in Tell Brak.

Hello! This is my first time on the forums, which I primarily joined because I am so interested in these speculations on the Fallen Cities. I’ve read all 20 pages but today, I stumbled across text I’m not sure has been posted here before:

&quotA code! It’s not an unknown language: it’s a code! The language of the city of the Silver Tree, but obscured. Once you’ve realized that, an evening’s work with magnifying glass and calculations is enough to yield - you think - the answer. THE LIGHT AT THE HEART IS THE DAUGHTER OF THE BAZAAR NEVER TO BE ACKNOWLEDGED. THE SHAMES ARE HERS TO RULE IS LIFE.&quot

This might be something you’ve already interpreted (I’ve only been playing for a few months, after all), but I think this is the first reference I’ve seen to a &quotdaughter of the bazaar.&quot I’m curious what others have to think about this. I think the most straightforward interpretation would be &quotthe love story central to the fourth city is the daughter (Gracious Widow), which the bazaar will not acknowledge, and the ruler earns eternal life.&quot Still, I’m intrigued by three things:

  1. the wording &quotdaughter of the bazaar&quot - any thoughts on more metaphorical meanings?
  2. why are these stories &quotnever to be acknowledged?&quot Would revealing these be the keys to ultimately taking down the Bazaar?
  3. &quotTo rule is life&quot might imply that, though the masters feed off of love stories, it is only by ruling those powerful cities that they remain immortal.

Any thoughts? Or maybe this has already been discussed to death earlier.

(Please let me know if I should change the formatting or add spoilers for the game text!)