Estival 2025 Discussion Thread: Hell is Missing

If you went to prison once

And don’t want to skip the “puzzle” all I can say is this: have your Seven quality, the one with the key icon, to 6!

Found out the hard way, meh!

There’s also solving the New Newgate, and there seems to be a storylet after that, but I haven’t done it yet, so not sure if it adds a new thing to the list. And the possible Kings’ Song to seven. So:
a. Book of All Hours
b.Law-hunting (to 20 for a reward, to 25 for a vanity quality)
c. Fixing the Embassy’s law-furnace
d. New Newgate (when dropped into it/preparations beforehand)
e.Remembering ‘68 (unlocked by world progress, must have completed New Newgate)
?f.any possible thing that e. unlocks, will update when I’ve done that storylet
g. Kings’ Song to 7
h. ???Elephants??? (afaik no one has figured anything out with this)
i. Raise keys to 7 (don’t know if we want that or not)

And something new will happen tomorrow.

I think that’s everything. And, in case anyone’s missed it, it’s confirmed nothing will be locked out by other people’s progress or without clearly marked storylets warning you.

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Remembering '68 has only just been unlocked by Stability through Combustion reaching 50,000 ! (You also need have left New Newgate decisively behind you.)

Wow, this is emotional. So far, the veterans’ off-stage comments in ALL-CAPS VOICE were mostly sarcastic, but now: PLEASE. YES. PLEASE HELP. Definite change of tone there.

“No more. I will bring them home now, no matter what it costs.”

Didn’t think I’d ever say that, but… I stand with the Bishop of Southwark!

London, Askance 56 - Southwark broods

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Out of actions at the moment, but some quick experiments say the CP gain of King’s Song changes based on level of Martyrdom of Saint B. Unless it’s random and just a coincidence.

See y’all in the morning!

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Interesting! I’m going to test this :face_with_monocle:

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I’m pretty sure it’s random.

The secret to getting it to 7 is just trying repeatedly. I think there is some % chance each time that instead of CP, you’ll get a reset.

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We can raise keys to 7 now.

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And now I’ve got it! Just like that!!
I had Kings’ Song at 6 and Martyrdom at 4 and when I clicked on Hear a squeaking melody, Kings’ Song went to 7. Just like that!!!

Now, what do I do with it? :joy:

Edit: This worked on an account without Marked by Kindness. Trying to replicate it on an account with Marked by Kindness failed. So either it’s because of that, or it’s really about getting the exact CP right.
Edit no. 2: But now it worked! And it wasn’t even a “clean” hit. I got Kings’ Song 7 and 3 CP.
Now I wanted to know whether I could go beyond 7. So I clicked on Hear a squeaking melody again and guess what happened? Nightmare hit, and back to Kings’ Song 1.
Edit no. 3: And now I can’t even get 6 on this account without incurring the Nightmares hit and being reset to 1. I’ll stop here and continue on another account.

I still can’t make sense of this!

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I’m seeing conflicting reports regarding the title gotten at 25 hunted laws. Is it really a title, or just the usual vanity tally flair?

Yeah, I’m shocked to find myself standing with Southwark. And I love that they’re giving us these more personal elements.

Yes, there seems to be a random element, but some sort of formula must be behind it, too.
Here are the facts:

  • I have managed to reach The Kings’ Song 7 on four separate accounts - always when Martyrdom of Saint B was at 4. Three of the four did not have Marked by Kindness.
  • I have not managed to reach The Kings’ Song 7 with any other level of Martyrdom.
  • I have not managed to reach The Kings’ Song 7 twice on the same account. In fact, it only seems to get harder and harder when trying to do that - I twice got the Nightmares hit & Reset before even getting anywhere near 7 ! (This happened on the account that has Marked by Kindness.)
  • It seems your chances are better while you don’t have Marked by Kindness, but it’s not impossible with Marked - I managed to do it once.

That’s all from me on this matter, I need to go reduce my Nightmares now :melting_face:

What’s the difference between a title and a usual vanity tally flair?

One you can set as your “Adressed As”, the other you display on your mantlepiece.

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It’s just a change in the quality description afaik. There’s another at 50, and again at 77.
If there’s a new Addressed As quality, it’s not on the wiki yet.

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Just another note on timing etc. To give new players a feeling for how long Estivals usually last, I looked up the previous two years on the wiki:

Last year, Estival started on 1st August. The final conclusion of the story was first unlocked on 16th August.
But even players who had not even started the event could still do so until 22nd August.
And even after that, it remained open until 5th September.

In 2023, Estival began on 31st July (like this year). The first players to reach the story’s conclusion did so on 10th August but everyone had until 14th August to begin the event, and until 21st August to finish.

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I got King’s Song to 7 with Martyrdom 7 and Marked by Kindness. It’s random.

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Yeah, I got it with Martyrdom 5 and Marked by Kindness too.

Can we not do the Book of All Hours anymore? All that’s there for me is Chapter Not Found. I didn’t even do Ephemeroptera one at all! Does anyone know what’s up with this?

If this is because I progressed the story with Southwark in the Campaign of '68, I wouldn’t call that as clearly signalled as I was expecting.

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Doing Chapter Not Found gave me a new quality and returned the other options so I could keep digging!

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Oh, thanks, that worked! I had already done Chapter Not Found for Isoptera, so I didn’t think of doing it again, but it looks like you need to do them for all of them.

I shouldn’t have been so quick to jump to assuming I was locked out, Failbetter’s always been very trustworthy on stuff like this.

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