Yep that is one of the things that stop me from chosing the Bishop (I still haven’t decided). My character thinks that another invasion against hell with no other abtainable objective is foolish, though expulsing the devils from london sounds more reasonable.
Then we build a wall and make the devils pay for it #makelondongreatagain
… I still want to ride to the gates of hell with him though
[quote=Kukapetal]I just can’t see him working with devils, any devils. It’s just SO OOC for him, and I can’t believe the writers would drag ALL his previous characterization through the mud for a cliched twist and/or cheap shot at the Church. The writing for this game is so much better than that.
To me it makes far more sense that he doesn’t know devils are backing him and would flip his lid if he found out.[/quote]
To be fair, his activities in the Labyrinth are also inundated with devils. These combined leave only two options: he’s corrupt or… slow. Like really slow. Like his aide has orange eyes slow.
He knows there are devils in the Fourth Coil, and he’s not happy about it. He wants INFERNAL INFLUENCE kept away from the animal breeding.
One gets the sense that the Devils are drawn to the Bishop because they really like trolling him.
I think you may have just hit the nail on the head Anne. That sounds entirely plausible to me.
I completely agree. But aside from excitement and IC role-playing purposes, I’m also personally sympathetic to the Bishop as a character. He screwed up, he’s responsible for the intense suffering of his men, and every day the only thing he got to show for it is the devils taunting him. How could you deny such a cool man his vengeance and redemption? Will a reckoning be postponed indefinitely?
Of course, some might argue that it’s not right to drag an entire city along for one person’s quibbles. But the devils have enslaved and continue to enslave other Londoners too, body and soul, for their triremes and their trade. Their influence has to be curbed. I think we have a case in logic and welfare that’s as good as the other candidates.
I suppose the biggest problem with all these is his devil backers. I really have no good answer for this… but what if the Bishop is neither corrupt nor foolish? What if he’s simply Machiavellian enough to try to defeat the devils at their own game?*
*Yeah, like that’s gonna end well. But if there’s a person who can wrestle his way out of Hell’s trickery, it’s the Bishop of Southwark, Godblessit.
It occurs to me that the Devils funding the Bishop is really a brilliant example of what, in American politics, is called “ratfucking.” Which might lead one to suspect that the late Spacemarine9 is behind it all.
– Mal
snerk Not that you’re wrong, just couldn’t help it.
Here is how I see it: risk and reward.
The Bishop presents insurmountable risk for the potential of unfathomable reward. An invasion and victory over hell would entail massive rewards but we risk another massacre.
Jenny presents virtually no risk for a mild reward. A good, reserved leader with a good amount of steady progress.
The contrarian I see as a moderate risk for a larger potential set of more radical changes, seeing as he favors the revolutionaries.
How much you are willing to risk depends on how much you are willing to earn.
My character is a mildly addled lieutenant with a passion for glorious battle and as such, votes for whoever is likely to get us into a war. I’d personally vote for the contrarian, however.
edited by Starfoth on 7/11/2016
Reginald’s not suicidal.
It’s a shame that the Bishop appears to be losing in the polls as of this post.
The Bishop appears to be doing poorly in the polls. Show your support for the best candidate by posting in the poll topic.
http://community.failbettergames.com/topic22651-election-im-contributing-n-votes-for-c.aspx
So it has come full circle from tigerfucking to ratfucking. Of course.
In light of the information we’ve received from the new Flash Lay result for the Bishop and some talking with The Cosmogone Clarinetist and co. via the IRC, I’ve been doing some hypothesizing regarding what the heck is even going on. At first I thought maybe the Bishop was in love with a fellow Army Captain and wrote the poem, and then I thought he had plagiarized the works of another poet who was also in love with that Captain, but The Cosmogone Clarinetist had interpreted it a different way and we did some discussion and…well the details I can’t actually given because it comes from Fate sources but the generalities are here:
[spoiler]The year is 1970 and the Bishop is involved in what will become known as the failed invasion of Hell. He and four of his companions hide from the devils, when in a fit of whimsy he plucks a rose. They are all caught. Four of them hang from the gallows. And the Bishop? He does not say. We know all of this from seasonal confession, given freely.
There is more information to be found about the invasion of Hell, and of the British Army that tried to invade it, but it requires Fate and thus spoilers. People are welcome to PM me or send messages for details should they desire (though atm I’m in a Flash Lay so it may take a bit). I cannot reveal them here.[/spoiler]
The Bishop and the poet were once romantically involved, but after the invasion something changed. The poet is no longer passionate, the Bishop is now scarred. The poet turns to drink, the Bishop turns to the Church (but most of all, against Devils), and nothing ends happily. A tragic love story.
How it fits into comparison with political extortion, planned scandal, and inter-party conflict I’m not quite sure. On the other hand, love stories are just as important if not more so than political matters down in the Neath…
edited by Hotshot Blackburn on 7/12/2016
Well, it might be linked to the Bazaar’s motto : Always look to Love. I’m glad we might have been able to find out the truth, and hope we are right. But I agree that, if it is tragic and all, that story is a bit weird compared to Jenny’s blackmail and the Contrarian’s infighting.
We’ll certainly have more informations latter.
Huh, I interpreted it differently. I thought:
The Bishop and the Dissolute Poet were both in love with the same man and, after the war, the Bishop took the Poet’s verses as a keepsake, to replace the brass portrait left behind. The poet wants the verses back for the same reason.
I’m wondering if the Bishop’s story has anything to do with the Secret Framed in Gold storyline. The general theme seems awfully similar.
Just for perversity’s sake, I’d like the players to consider that, in what we are pleased to call Real Life, those who rail most at iniquity are often those who commit it themselves in secret. One could conduct a truly irresponsible (and possibly actionable) framework of conjecture about the Bishop, the Captain, the failed invasion of Hell and the casualties thereof, and why some individuals survived while the others disappeared.
– Mal
Wow. Well, if the Bishop is the only one acting out of love (and what a love story it’s shaping out to be)…
Then shouldn’t we vote for him if we want the Sixth City not dropped on our heads, for the Bazaar to return to space, for the Masters to leave us alone, and so on, and so on?
…isn’t this actually the best choice if we want all things to be well?