[quote=Anne Auclair][quote=Teaspoon]Obviously what we need to do is reform the system.
But that’s a little too much like ordinary politics, and Fallen London is enthusiastically unfair and deranged anyway.[/quote]
Blame Pages, he’s the one who designed it.[/quote]
You can’t blame Pages, that’s instigatitious.
THIS IS OUR PLAN
We will overtake Feducci with the following voters:
Many of these voters will no doubt come out of Feducci’s support. We Campaigner supporters can beat Feducci by winning more late deciding voters and persuading Feducci’s less enthusiastic voters to switch to us. It’s very doable, I’ve done it a number of times already and it’s going to be less difficult now, thanks to Jenny’s endorsement and the Campaigner’s movement coming into full bloom.
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This coming week we want to offer our hand to Feducci voters who are having second thoughts. So, please be courteous and polite and welcoming, at all times.
Politicking aside, Miss Auclair (and, in fact, any other DTC supporters) why are you so staunchly opposed to The ID? That our respective sides are very different is obvious and I disagree with but understand your opposition to Feducci, but the points raised against the detctive confuse me. Initially it was about her being supported by the constables, some of whom are corrupt and therefore so must she be, but everything she has done since then has shown that eliminating that corruption is in fact her core concern and those old posts seem more like rhetoric for her in hindsight. The new points seem to imply that she is having some kind of breakdown, but I honestly don’t know how purging her campaign of corruption (both within the police and behind mirrors) indicates that. Isn’t holding your principles above potential allies precisely what DTC did when she sent away the Councils representatives? I’ve tried to be as neutral in my wording her as possible, as I sincerely want to understand, not start an argument about our candidates. Have I misinterpreted what was said?
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We’re not all staunchly opposed. Some of us quite like the idea of a coalition (impossible as that is, given Failbetter’s storytelling is probably not built for that possibility). It’s just that we like the DTC better, is all.
I definitely don’t speak for everyone else but personally it was a toss-up for quite a while. There’s a bunch of small things that convinced me to go for the DTC, which I may not necessarily be able to enumerate off the top of my head.
But then again I - which is to say, my character - doesn’t much care for the poor, which is a major point in favour of the DTC, as opposed to the ID who is concerned with the system on a far more abstract level. I’d imagine the difference between “let’s reduce crime and corruption, and by proxy improve living conditions for the poor and abused” and “let’s reduce misery, poverty and abuse, while reducing abuse-related crime and by proxy reduce petty crime in general” is a major point for most.
I just see no reason to support the Detective.
The Dauntless Temperance Campaigner is ready for government. She has the most comprehensive and well-thought-out platform. Her campaign is well organized. She is is beholden to no-person and no malign power. She is plotting no mischief or vendettas. She is equally opposed to Hell, the Masters and the Calendar Council. She has the open support of Mayor Jenny. She has gotten a huge surge of support in the last few days and this will continue.
There is no alternative.
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[quote=Amsfield]Politicking aside, Miss Auclair (and, in fact, any other DTC supporters) why are you so staunchly opposed to The ID? That our respective sides are very different is obvious and I disagree with but understand your opposition to Feducci, but the points raised against the detctive confuse me. Initially it was about her being supported by the constables, some of whom are corrupt and therefore so must she be, but everything she has done since then has shown that eliminating that corruption is in fact her core concern and those old posts seem more like rhetoric for her in hindsight. The new points seem to imply that she is having some kind of breakdown, but I honestly don’t know how purging her campaign of corruption (both within the police and behind mirrors) indicates that. Isn’t holding your principles above potential allies precisely what DTC did when she sent away the Councils representatives? I’ve tried to be as neutral in my wording her as possible, as I sincerely want to understand, not start an argument about our candidates. Have I misinterpreted what was said?
edited by Amsfield on 7/4/2017[/quote]
I must say I’ve never disagreed with the Implacable Detective’s goals, I just don’t think they’re fitting duties for a mayor. This is really something the detective should tackle with the aid of Shuttering Palace functionaries, definetly not something to be done in public, or at least not done in a way that turns it into a spectacle.
That being said, I was briefly split between the Detective and the Campaigner at the start of the election- before I’d read any of the flash-lay or investigation snippets.
So its not so much a case as there being anything wrong with the detective, as prefering the campainer’s platform? Ok, that I get.
Thankfully, there are two.
Best of Luck.
I - or the character I play, rather - am directly working against the cause and ideology that the Implacable Detective operates under. The ID campaigns on the assumption that the Law is inherently stable and that only corrupting influences prevent it from working as it is supposed to, while I operate from the standpoint that the concept of Law itself is an inherently unjust and tyrannical structure forced upon people. Therefore, I cannot support her as it would be supporting injustice.
It’s not the most logical of reasons perhaps, but the Liberation is not the most logical of ideologies. The DTC’s ideology can always be co-opted later for goals I would support in full, the ID’s…well, can’t.
(and Feducci is just a traitor to the cause. My opposition is both petty and hubristic :V)
The law in it’s august, impartial majesty, forbids both rich and poor from sleeping under a bridge.
And yet many do in London, and the Constables do nothing.
I was paraphrasing Anatole France.
I hereby throw my support and influence behind the Dauntless Temperance Campaigner. I do so enjoy tea, and even more so the hope that the Rubbery and Clay alike will be able to add their delicious strangeness to the fabric of the Fifth City.
And a honey-well! Well, well, well, I wonder what mad opportunities that may well have.
Personally, I am a big fan of the honey well and I plan to climb into it when this is all over.
Sigh, within the next 24 hours or so the Campaigner will gain another Fixer.
And with that Fixer the full might of her campaign progress, snatched from Feducci.
Ladies and Gentlemen, we are faced a difficult dilemma in this election. All of us can agree, we must pick the candidate who can do the most good for London. But we must also pick the one who can bring about the changes that will last the LONGEST.
As sad as it is to admit, Our Fair City has fallen far from the greatness of old, and I don’t just mean figuratively. Crime, poverty, and the moral degradation of society are all crucial issues to tackle. However, consider this: for all the power the Mayor of London holds, he/she will only be in office for a year. Should we not approach this dilemma in a sensible way, reforming our city will prove a Sisyphean task, one that can never be completed.
The Campaigner and the Detective both face uphill struggles, facing a myriad of organizations and institutions who will no doubt vehemently resist their efforts to bring about their reforms. And that does not even begin to factor in the power of the Masters, who both enjoy the honey trade and the corruption of government officials. How much will they be able to actually do for London, bogged down by a constant struggle against the considerable forces arrayed against them? Even if by miraculous chance they manage to enact their reforms near the end of the year, they will soon be gone anyway. And then it will be a simple matter for the powers that be to reverse these changes, loosen restrictions, and reinstate certain corrupt parties.
We must come to terms with a rather sad fact: neither the Campaigner nor the Detective’s goals will do much of anything to improve the lives of the downtrodden in any meaningful capacity. It is sad but true. Their intentions are pure, but less honey in the dens and fewer judges on the benches will do little to impact the lives of the downtrodden everyman. If they had more time, perhaps we’d see some benefit in the long run, but time is sadly a luxury we sorely lack.
However, all is not lost. There is still a candidate with a real plan for change, who’s daring strategy can make a meaningful change during the mere year of his term.
Where his opponents stand to face a lengthy legal battle, Feducci offers the people of London the chance to elevate themselves now. A chain that can be climbed by all! Where fortunes, wealth, and a better standard of living can be won by all people willing to seek them. By the time Feducci’s term ends, who knows how many of London’s corrupt elites will be in the gutter, how many good and decent people who never had the chance to prosper will have newfound fortune?
Citizens, I implore you to choose the candidate who’s plan will touch the most lives! The plan that gives the people the fair chance they need right now! For a better London, for a Fair London, I implore you!
VOTE FEDUCCI!
[quote=Edward Warren]
The Campaigner and the Detective both face uphill struggles, facing a myriad of organizations and institutions who will no doubt vehemently resist their efforts to bring about their reforms. And that does not even begin to factor in the power of the Masters, who both enjoy the honey trade and the corruption of government officials.[/quote]
That’s why we should elect Feducci, who has said the following:
We can’t change everything about the game; The kings and queens of the game are ensconced….
All Could Rise, Most Shan’t. Equality in Death, Liberty in License.
After all, you can’t fail in reforming London if you don’t even plan on reforming it. You can’t lose against the Masters if you don’t plan on fighting them. Your program can’t fail if it can’t actually be implemented. Why vote for reforms that might not work when you can vote for no reforms whatsoever? So vote Feducci and the guarantee of getting absolutely nothing.
It all depends on whether you actually want to oppose the Masters or not.
I’ll just leave these here: [spoiler]
