I think if I’m being honest that by the time the half-way results are through it’s as good as over. By that point people are often quite far along their election careers and don’t have enough time to grind it back. There’s simply too much to lose in either fate or echoes and influence so people only change if they find out something that completely changes their opinion of a candidate.
[quote=Curious Foreigner]
Secondly, the baseless assumption is that Feducci’s platform can’t matter to all people who know he’s a spy.[/quote]
Again, a spy is by definition, hostile, and also a liar to the people he’s spying against. There’s absolutely no way you could trust that Feducci is being genuine with his platform and therefore must accept that the platform most likely is a huge pile of BS. I assume the average player of FL is smart enough to know this, and even if they didn’t figure it out on their own, FBG gave them another big hint by revealing what a hollow, contradictory mess his campaign is.
How could anyone vote for him based on his platform when they know there’s a huge chance he isnt being genuine? I simply have to believe the vast majority of players understand this and therefore must face voted for him for a different reason, because the alternative (that they were all actually duped by card carrying evil villain), just seem ludicrous.
Well, since Feducci got under 50% of the vote, that suggests a majority of players actually do care about platforms or can be persuaded by people who care about platforms.[/quote]
Thinking about this more, the solution might simply be improved candidate recruitment. I mean, I pretty much made a case for the Dauntless Temperance Campaigner’s personality and platform being perfect for an election and I got the writers attention! And they used the platform recommended by me and other players almost to the letter. And that candidate/platform got a pretty decent amount of support! More than Southwark got last election. Now I personally think the DTC was pretty badass, but she wasn’t the same sort of badass that Jenny and Feducci were.
So, for players who want a great platform to win, maybe focus on finding the right sort of badass who can have the right sort of platform?
Or, alternatively, maybe the next election we could agree to take a break from Jenny/Feducci style candidates and try some different combinations. If only for suspense. I had suspense this election because Feducci was different enough that there was uncertainty.
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edited by Anne Auclair on 7/10/2017
Congratulations to the victors, and I won’t repeat any woeful remarks about the Presbyterate’s new colony.
You know what I would love to see, though? A higher profile for the losers in the coming year, too. Sure, neither lady’s plans worked out, but neither sounds ready to retire to the Tomb Colonies, either. Will the Detective keep working on her mysterious plans? Will the Campaigner make an effort to help those who get the short end of Feducci’s policies? You can bet your peculiar enhancement they will. A little storylet, maybe as an appendage to some seasonal event, that lets us see what these ladies are up to during the Feducci administration would be very welcome to me. I doubt I’m entirely alone.
Simple: They have seen Jenny, a different spy, do the exact same thing, and it turned out she was genuine.
[quote=Siankan]Congratulations to the victors, and I won’t repeat any woeful remarks about the Presbyterate’s new colony.
You know what I would love to see, though? A higher profile for the losers in the coming year, too. Sure, neither lady’s plans worked out, but neither sounds ready to retire to the Tomb Colonies, either. Will the Detective keep working on her mysterious plans? Will the Campaigner make an effort to help those who get the short end of Feducci’s policies? You can bet your peculiar enhancement they will. A little storylet, maybe as an appendage to some seasonal event, that lets us see what these ladies are up to during the Feducci administration would be very welcome to me. I doubt I’m entirely alone.[/quote]
Honestly I think a lot of why I want this so much comes from just wanting some sort of developments in London over time, both for the city and the major characters within. There’s so many interesting characters and plotlines that you learn about and can’t wait to see more of that just sort of freeze in time once you complete the relevant storylets. I’d love to see characters move and develop their plans over time rather than just sort of dropping off the map until an Exceptional Story involves them in some way.
how much exactly? Do we have the official numbers already? the feducci took around 50% of votes, but it still leaves another 50% to share between DTC and Detective. It could’ve been anything from 40-10 through 25-25 to 10-40 share. The Detective is cool and well-known, even though she didn’t win, I believe her supporters definitely had a Say when it came to counting votes ;)
how much exactly? Do we have the official numbers already? the feducci took around 50% of votes,[/quote]
He took less than 50%.
how much exactly? Do we have the official numbers already? the feducci took around 50% of votes,[/quote]
He took less than 50%.[/quote]
yes I know, I know, that’s why I said "around 50%", or, to directly quote the winner announcement, "nearly half the vote" it’s okay, really. I know.
[quote=G N]Some fellow anarchists abstain from the vote, and I curtsy deep to their own brand of commitment…but I’m of a different stripe. My anarchist heinie will get to threatening he who I helped elevate to the throne post-haste. Feducci knew he’d be precariously placed upon winning when he entered the race, so all said and done? Fair Play, Fair Game, Fair Bomb Throwing!
All daggers drawn against authority point ever at the throne, whatever head be mounted there. Electing those who hate the constabulary interfering in their business as much as I do is almost as delicious as thwarting Mayoral power and the constabulary alike! I’d rather have a revolutionary on my side than anyone else…but criminals are a distant second in an "enemy of my enemy" kind of way. Should Feducci make criminals the enforcers of governmental power in the constabulary’s stead, that’ll change right quick though let me tell you![/quote]
Oh, bravo! Well met, comrade! I was beginning to think my character was the only one who’d voted for the candidate they most want to see against the wall in the coming revolution.
Really, that was the key for me-- my character is an idealistic (but not pacifistic) revolutionary who has plans toward violent revolt and overthrow as necessary. Much better for Feducci to be the target of those plans than a couple of truly honest and honorable (if misguidedly orthodox) Londoners. Feducci is even directly asking for it. Fair Game, indeed.
One thinks we wouldn’t be hearing this "less than 50%" business being trumpeted quite so much if a certain lady fond of tea had won by that margin. I’m certain all references to it would be being dismissed as irrelevant sour grapes at best, and probably as an insulting affront to the democratic system and the will of the electorate.
Well, that’s the nature of people who use debate as a tool for persuasion, instead of one for greater mutual understanding.
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I don’t see how he’s a villain.
- He fights straightforward duels to the final death with opponents who volunteer knowing the stakes, most of whom are in it specifically for an honorable form of suicide. That’s in my view a positive, and is at worst a grey area.[/li][li]He regrets his past hubris in allowing his fans to follow him across the desert, and still feels bad about it and remembers them all. That indicates a strong conscience and a good heart.[/li][li]He fought for the revolution in Hell against the aristocracy of devils, which produced a positive outcome for basically everyone involved, mortals included. I don’t know how much you know about the Brimstone Convention, but they’ve much more in common with Christian devils than the current leadership.[/li][li]He sponsors the assassination of snuffers, as part of his duties as a Presbyterate citizen, which I may find objectionable, but which almost every other person in the Neath is fully on board with. There’s no indication that the other candidates felt any different. For most Londoners, Clay Men and Rubberies are one thing, Snuffers are another, as far as I can tell.[/li][li]He manages the ship of lights, which is, in my opinion, the best of all possible afterlives in the setting. The only other option for most people is to cross to the far shore and be slowly cannibalized by the judgements forever, a process so agonizing that people beg to be taken to the ship of lights, which while grueling isn’t eternal or for everyone. [/li][li]He spies for his home country because he’s a patriot who wants to do right by the Prester, and good on him for it. Ultimately his spying doesn’t have any impact on the lives of most Londoners. Maybe he’ll take the Carnelian Coast back? Good! I don’t know why you’re all so pro-London, but the sooner the fifth city is over and done with the better.
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I don’t see how he’s a villain.
- He fights straightforward duels to the final death with opponents who volunteer knowing the stakes, most of whom are in it specifically for an honorable form of suicide. That’s in my view a positive, and is at worst a grey area.[/li][li]He regrets his past hubris in allowing his fans to follow him across the desert, and still feels bad about it and remembers them all. That indicates a strong conscience and a good heart.[/li][li]He fought for the revolution in Hell against the aristocracy of devils, which produced a positive outcome for basically everyone involved, mortals included. I don’t know how much you know about the Brimstone Convention, but they’ve much more in common with Christian devils than the current leadership.[/li][li]He sponsors the assassination of snuffers, as part of his duties as a Presbyterate citizen, which I may find objectionable, but which almost every other person in the Neath is fully on board with. There’s no indication that the other candidates felt any different. For most Londoners, Clay Men and Rubberies are one thing, Snuffers are another, as far as I can tell.[/li][li]He manages the ship of lights, which is, in my opinion, the best of all possible afterlives in the setting. The only other option for most people is to cross to the far shore and be slowly cannibalized by the judgements forever, a process so agonizing that people beg to be taken to the ship of lights, which while grueling isn’t eternal or for everyone. [/li][li]He spies for his home country because he’s a patriot who wants to do right by the Prester, and good on him for it. Ultimately his spying doesn’t have any impact on the lives of most Londoners. Maybe he’ll take the Carnelian Coast back? Good! I don’t know why you’re all so pro-London, but the sooner the fifth city is over and done with the better.
It is the arguments like these for Feducci that make me feel like I am taking crazy pills.
I am on board with chaos, the mayor as a figurehead so why bother, having a mummy as a leader, I have a criminal character so I chose him, or just that he is a cool crazy duelist man. Those make sense.
Plurality victories are plurality victories :P
Also, I played a big role in stopping him from getting 50% + 1, so I’m rather proud of that ^_^ We got Feducci, but we got him with a plurality.
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edited by Anne Auclair on 7/10/2017
Because this is a FL election and the vast majority of our characters are more loyal to London than they are to Feducci’s homeland. Regardless of how okay you are with Feducci’s patriotism, soneibe who is loyal to a different nation first and foremost shouldn’t be in a position of power over your own. It would cause huge conflicts of interest for even the most benevolent foreign patriot, and their own homelands would likely win out over your own most of the time.
Thanks for reminding me about the Snuffer murdering though. Now we’ve got even more evidence he’s a monster.
Oh, and those honorable duels? If you decide they’re not for you, he won’t let you leave and will instead send somebody to kill you.
And yeah, a guy who volunteered to work on a slave ship definitely has a good heart.
feducci is a monster? for paying generous bounty for murdering actual monsters? you know, these genuine face-stealing walking nightmares terrorising everything in their path? You must’ve misspelled "the hero" ;) I chose not to murder the Big Rat and i feel a pang of regret every time I drop by and he flays some unfortunate clumsy rat, and right by the d—ed snacks table no less!
I’ve got no loyalty to London. It’s useful for now, but I’d just as soon move across the unterzee. And yet, my influence over this election counted just as much as yours, if not more so.
No more a monster than the average London citizen.
If a period of slavery is the alternative to an eternity of torture, I’d say it’s probably more of a grey area.
And hey, really if you want to avoid that sort of thing, you ought to destroy your soul as soon as you get it. Dangerous little seeds of nascent law festering inside you, using you as a vessel so they can make more judgements and keep the whole universe chained up. It’s foolish to let them live.
As far as I can tell, they aren’t inherently evil, and therefore don’t deserve to be eradicated like pests.
Like all groups of people, you should stop the bad ones and leave the rest of them alone.
[quote=Kukapetal]As far as I can tell, they aren’t inherently evil, and therefore don’t deserve to be eradicated like pests.
Like all groups of people, you should stop the bad ones and leave the rest of them alone.[/quote]
they cut off people’s faces