I think it’s dangerous to say that people ‘deserve to be eradicated’ because they’re ‘evil.’ That’s a very subjective metric for deciding whether someone lives or dies. Meddling in everyone’s lives with your ‘morals’ this and ‘standards’ that is annoying enough, but adding righteousness and death arbitration to it just seems gratuitous.[li]
it’s not because they’re evil it’s because they cut off people’s faces
I have a practical question - what is going to happen with all those election social action requests clogging our inboxes? Do we have to get rid of them all manually or are they going to disappear at some point?
Note that the announcement says that "Statistics on the Election will be released within the next few weeks." So we will soon find out just how close, or not close, the final tally really was.
I spent a gruelling wedge of time manually going through them all - if you’ve got as many as I had, I wouldn’t recommend it.
Hopefully FBG will wipe or otherwise sort out all of these dead requests? I expect it’s a fairly widespread thing.
[quote=Barse]I spent a gruelling wedge of time manually going through them all - if you’ve got as many as I had, I wouldn’t recommend it.
Hopefully FBG will wipe or otherwise sort out all of these dead requests? I expect it’s a fairly widespread thing.[/quote]
Hopefully.
Well, time to get to work on my special election project ^_^
Awwww, Gul al-Ahlaam sent me a surprise package for being a good opponent ^_^ That was sweet.
feducci is a monster? for paying generous bounty for murdering actual monsters? you know, these genuine face-stealing walking nightmares terrorising everything in their path? You must’ve misspelled "the hero" ;) I chose not to murder the Big Rat and i feel a pang of regret every time I drop by and he flays some unfortunate clumsy rat, and right by the d—ed snacks table no less![/quote]
I’ve made an argument against this before, but yeah, Snuffers are about as benign as human beings. They can both do good and bad, the only difference being one can swap faces. Are a lot of Snuffers murderers who kill left and right without much thought? Sure. Are there many Snuffers that do as little harm as need be to survive or even regret their dangerous nature? Definitely yes. If we’re gonna consider the death of a sentient species okay just because they could do harm, then about all the races of the Neath are up for grabs. The Clay Men who are walking golems, the Rubbery Men and their ilk for their connections to their angry rebellious brethren in the Zee, some of the Urchins for not being fully human and possibly becoming monsters as they grow up, heck, even the Monster Hunters of the player base probably aren’t fully human now and have unnatural abilities. I get that the whole face-swapper concept is scary and definitely a threat, but you’re walking into some dark places if you start accepting that sort of behavior.
i don’t know, I’m fine in my dark place as long as the snuffer who makes a crab gesture snip-snips people’s faces off is not there with me.
Well… He’s no Squidley, but he’ll have to do. Nice going, Feducci Supporters!
Oh, and to the people arguing about snuffers: One of them was almost my wife, so I’ll thank you to acknowledge that they aren’t all horrible.
edited by hellaGumshoe on 7/10/2017
You’ve already been told this earlier in this thread: For someone who dislikes the other two platforms enough, ‘no platform’ or ‘fake platform’ could be preferable. Kind of like voting for the Contrarian in the first election, I guess?
As for Feducci being harmful to London because he’s a spy for foreign interests, and therefore his platform is not genuine, and just a trick… How does anyone come to that conclusion? To me it always looked like his proposed platform could be incredibly harmful to London. I mean, he’s basically going to let people shake London’s social structures like an antfarm for a year. Today you’re taking your orders and instructions from one person, and tomorrow… who knows? Maybe in the long run London might end up with competent people rising to the top, like some sort of meritocracy. But in the short run London would become quite vulnerable if Feducci actually manages to turn his proposed platform into reality. And I still supported him. What have I done? Won’t someone please think of London? No. May we live in interesting times.
I thought about a non-discardable Mayor card too, before I read the suggestion. It would make perfect sense that Persons of Some Importance would have to defend their wealth and status from challengers, though if a challenged person has to consent to a challenge or gamble, the card wouldn’t have to be non-discardable. Losing all wealth would probably not be an option, but the risk of significant losses might make people want to avoid such challenges. Or the card could just give Favours as the one before did, and using these challenges for flavour text. Maybe it would be non-discardable because in Feducci’s city-wide fight club, a rule will state that you have to accept a challenge when challenged, or challenge someone yourself? That’s at least two different options.
Regarding ‘cool badass’ candidates for next election, you all know deep inside that it’s not necessarily ‘cool badass’ that wins. Because a Rubbery Man candidate would win over both Jenny and Feducci. And Rubbery Men are not ‘cool badasses’. They’re harmless and lovable, and weird in the extreme. But that’s not because they have some kind of benevolent political platform. A Rubbery Candidate wouldn’t need a platform at all. Just wriggle those tentacles and make some unintelligible noises. So cute and endearing. Oh, look how the Rubbery Man is trying to act like a person! So precious! So FALLEN LONDON. And that’s what wins. Fallen London. Because that’s why people come here from the real world. A winning candidate doesn’t have to be badass at all. Just don’t be boring.
That’s probably my favourite post in this thread. Doubly so for the “May we live in interesting times” inclusion ;)
I don’t think the Mayor has the power to coerce people into accepting duels.
I’m going to push back against the notion that the DTC wasn’t Fallen London enough. Determined, courageous, and utterly stubborn adherence to British values and old fashioned morality in the teeth of a hostile environment is very Fallen London :P Like, the stovepipe hats might have teeth and eyes and sometimes eat your brain, but they are recognizably Victorian. Without characters like the DTC Fallen London wouldn’t be, well, London. It would just be some Fallen Place.
i don’t know, I’m fine in my dark place as long as the snuffer who makes a crab gesture snip-snips people’s faces off is not there with me.[/quote]
Well yeah, I’d feel safer if psychos, be they human or snuffer, not be out and about. Go about killing general snuffers or people because you’re afraid of the occasional killer amongst them and, well, I think we can agree that monsters don’t have to be inhuman.
this is London we’re talking about- we go out killing people and call it knife and candle ;) I bet I’m also hardly the only one who would stab a suspicious stranger just because they look a little too much like the latest incarnation of Smiles. that said, at least Jack usually leaves your face attached to the rest of you. but how are you gonna look once a Snuffer takes your face and you wake up after the Boat ride? Do they leave you their old face in lieu of your own? Gross! Extremely unhygienic.
I feel I should explain: when I proposed the negative card, I of course meant in addition to a more/wholly positive card like Jenny’s. Nor did I mean it as any sort of "punishment" for a "wrong" choice, but rather for the sake of consistent narrative. I would find it disrespectful of his cunning if after his masterful stratagem of a campaign, he proves unable/unwilling to effectively undermine or hamper the entire city from his position, no holds barred.
I mean, he is a confirmed senior agent of a power with agenda more or less opposite to London’s. His loyalties clearly lie with a different nation, and an agent like he should by all means consider every Londoner as either an enemy, or an expendable tool. We are the young and pretentious upstarts here, after all.
If his policies never actually force the players to do anything negative or take risks, I hope there’s a good narrative reason for that. And if they have the mettle to actually show us some painful consequences of having a potential double agent at power, I for one will be happy. Just as I would have welcomed complications arising from the Detective’s entanglements with the Fingerkings, had she won.
[quote=Gul al-Ahlaam]
I don’t see how he’s a villain.
- He fights straightforward duels to the final death with opponents who volunteer knowing the stakes, most of whom are in it specifically for an honorable form of suicide. That’s in my view a positive, and is at worst a grey area.[/li][li]He regrets his past hubris in allowing his fans to follow him across the desert, and still feels bad about it and remembers them all. That indicates a strong conscience and a good heart.[/li][li]He fought for the revolution in Hell against the aristocracy of devils, which produced a positive outcome for basically everyone involved, mortals included. I don’t know how much you know about the Brimstone Convention, but they’ve much more in common with Christian devils than the current leadership.[/li][li]He sponsors the assassination of snuffers, as part of his duties as a Presbyterate citizen, which I may find objectionable, but which almost every other person in the Neath is fully on board with. There’s no indication that the other candidates felt any different. For most Londoners, Clay Men and Rubberies are one thing, Snuffers are another, as far as I can tell.[/li][li]He manages the ship of lights, which is, in my opinion, the best of all possible afterlives in the setting. The only other option for most people is to cross to the far shore and be slowly cannibalized by the judgements forever, a process so agonizing that people beg to be taken to the ship of lights, which while grueling isn’t eternal or for everyone. [/li][li]He spies for his home country because he’s a patriot who wants to do right by the Prester, and good on him for it. Ultimately his spying doesn’t have any impact on the lives of most Londoners. Maybe he’ll take the Carnelian Coast back? Good! I don’t know why you’re all so pro-London, but the sooner the fifth city is over and done with the better.
Now, this is a nice and well-compiled dossier. Could you be so kind to state/PM your sources concerning the desert track, the Ship of Lights and the far shore/judgments bit? I can’t seem to remember this lore.
I beg to differ about the first point, though. Since he knows he’s technically immortal AND indestructible, I would hardly call these duels straightforward or "fair".
All in all, good job, team Feducci. You won’t stop The Expedition, though!
You can push all you like, but the well-meaning society lady is such a cliché that you can find them in all sorts of settings that has nothing to do with Fallen London. You can even find them in reality. And that is as far as you can get from Fallen London.
You can push all you like, but the well-meaning society lady is such a cliché that you can find them in all sorts of settings that has nothing to do with Fallen London. You can even find them in reality. And that is as far as you can get from Fallen London.[/quote]
You can find violently amoral characters like Feducci in all kinds of edgy stories too. Hell, you could stick him in Pirates of the Caribbean and he wouldn’t stand out.
- The Far Shore/Judgements bit is from the end of the Family Ties season of exceptional stories, where you’re given the option to visit the far shore and see what happens after you die.[/li][li]The Ship of Lights bit is from Seven Minutes to Midday, and the Regretful Soldier’s story in the House of Chimes.[/li][li]The Desert Trek is from his confession last Feast of Masks.
And I’d say that while he’s not risking as much as his dueling opponents, they all seem to be hoping he’ll kill them in the first place, so it’s not as big a deal.[/li][li]
[/li][li]EDIT: [quote=]Hell, you could stick him in Pirates of the Caribbean and he wouldn’t stand out. [/quote] I KNEW there was a reason I loved him so much![/li][li]
edited by Gul al-Ahlaam on 7/10/2017
Pirates of the Carraibean already have a rubbery man, they don’t need a fake tomb-colonist ;)