Weekly Fallen London Questions, 04/09/2017

Here’s this week’s thread for all quick questions and answers relating to Fallen London!

Assuming one isn’t willing to become a rat catcher, is it better to use Unfinished Business or the Department of Menace Eradication to grind a truly staggering amount of rats? The society loss seems to have been replaced by scandal so I’m not sure how the maths works out.

Unfished business ~110 rats per action, no Scandal
Department of Menace Eradicatio 110 rats per action (with 250 Dangerous) + scandal + inital 2 action cost

Is it possible to own multiple Hounds of Heaven? The answer seems to be “yes,” judging on storylet requirements, but that’s a lot of actions to gamble if it turns out to be “no.”

You can have as many Hounds of Heaven as your heart desires!

That’s not true; assuming a full 144 actions a day (meaning exceptional friendship with less than 6.6 hours of sleep per night), and assuming a highly optimistic (perhaps even impossibly so) 32 actions per hound, you can acquire at most 4.5 hounds a day. Average life expectancy is about 75 years; if we throw out a wild assumption that current age is likely 15 to 25 years, and assume exceptional longevity (without senility/dementia or other conditions which would preclude playing), we can take 100 years of grinding as likely the most one can do in a lifetime - leading to an upper bound of around 164,400 hounds of heaven in a single lifetime.

So if, for instance, your heart desires 165,000 hounds of heaven, unfortunately that seems to be impossible.

[quote=Dudebro Pyro]That’s not true; assuming a full 144 actions a day (meaning exceptional friendship with less than 6.6 hours of sleep per night), and assuming a highly optimistic (perhaps even impossibly so) 32 actions per hound, you can acquire at most 4.5 hounds a day. Average life expectancy is about 75 years; if we throw out a wild assumption that current age is likely 15 to 25 years, and assume exceptional longevity (without senility/dementia or other conditions which would preclude playing), we can take 100 years of grinding as likely the most one can do in a lifetime - leading to an upper bound of around 164,400 hounds of heaven in a single lifetime.

So if, for instance, your heart desires 165,000 hounds of heaven, unfortunately that seems to be impossible.[/quote]

Brilliant!
Though it’s what Siankan heart desires, so if Siankan wishes for only 5 - that statement is indeed true.
Also, you can get that infinite number of hounds by winning a certain unique card game (Ambition yet unfinished, player may or may not truly get 165,000 hounds)
edited by Gonen on 9/5/2017

[quote=Dudebro Pyro]That’s not true; assuming a full 144 actions a day (meaning exceptional friendship with less than 6.6 hours of sleep per night), and assuming a highly optimistic (perhaps even impossibly so) 32 actions per hound, you can acquire at most 4.5 hounds a day. Average life expectancy is about 75 years; if we throw out a wild assumption that current age is likely 15 to 25 years, and assume exceptional longevity (without senility/dementia or other conditions which would preclude playing), we can take 100 years of grinding as likely the most one can do in a lifetime - leading to an upper bound of around 164,400 hounds of heaven in a single lifetime.

So if, for instance, your heart desires 165,000 hounds of heaven, unfortunately that seems to be impossible.[/quote]

You forgot to take into consideration server crashes and traffic jam, which inevitably happens alongside social events like Election.

Alternatively, using the app could fudge the number a bit, legitimately or illegitimately. For the latter, you can probably own 165,000 hounds in a flash, but you won’t keep them for more than a flash.

Of course, if this truly is your hearts desire, you should be willing to spend money on it to refresh your actions.

Shhhh. Don’t draw the attention of the jam overlords

20 actions costs 10 fate, which with the most efficient fate purchase you can get 28 times for $50. There is roughly the equivalent of 60 trillion american dollars worth of money in the world (it’s a hard number to pin down given all the bullshit rich people get up to, but let’s go with 60 trillion), so if you had all the money in the world, you could buy 672000000000 additional actions, or 21000000000 additional hounds.

This doesn’t take into account that you may be able to wish for your money back in your hands to spend it on fate again, nor does it take into account that FBG would, after gaining all that money, cease to be a game company and start being the world’s overlords, at which point FL would no longer be very high on their priority list. Or that the world in general may no longer consider all that currency valid and it would vanish into thin air as the worthless abstraction that it is. Upon receiving invalid currency, FBG would certainly take away any benefits you received from your illicit fate purchase.


edited by Kaijyuu on 9/5/2017

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Does the Wry Functionary’s story concerning financial inconsistencies at the admiralty terminate after you’ve successfully repelled the attempt on his life?

Shhhh. Don’t draw the attention of the jam overlords…[/quote]
Good heavens. Wasn’t Alexis scared by spacemarine’s rambling in a FL message? This is 100x more over the top than that.
I love it.

Shhhh. Don’t draw the attention of the jam overlords…[/quote]
You know, I was chugging along fine, getting grading done, when this happened. Now my brother, in whose living room I sit, is worried I may be choking.

Of course, I’ve also indoctrinated a few folk in the past few minutes, so I too have sticky guilt on my hands.

Edit: Props to anyone who manages to work jam into their art contest entries. Just sayin’.
edited by Siankan on 9/5/2017

20 actions costs 10 fate, which with the most efficient fate purchase you can get 28 times for $50. There is roughly the equivalent of 60 trillion american dollars worth of money in the world (it’s a hard number to pin down given all the bullshit rich people get up to, but let’s go with 60 trillion), so if you had all the money in the world, you could buy 672000000000 additional actions, or 21000000000 additional hounds.

This doesn’t take into account that you may be able to wish for your money back in your hands to spend it on fate again, nor does it take into account that FBG would, after gaining all that money, cease to be a game company and start being the world’s overlords, at which point FL would no longer be very high on their priority list. Or that the world in general may no longer consider all that currency valid and it would vanish into thin air as the worthless abstraction that it is. Upon receiving invalid currency, FBG would certainly take away any benefits you received from your illicit fate purchase.[/quote]
I just want to point out that, by the extremely scientific process of typing things into Google and looking for the most trustworthy among the top five or so returns, I have discovered the world’s total wealth to be roughly $241,000,000,000 USD. No word yet on the conversion rate into rostygold.

Shhhh. Don’t draw the attention of the jam overlords…[/quote]
Good heavens. Wasn’t Alexis scared by spacemarine’s rambling in a FL message? This is 100x more over the top than that.
I love it.[/quote]

I need the link to that!

Umm…is anyone else’s social actions behaving most strangely? The request you can click “respond” on don’t seem to disappear even after you’ve played them. But when you want to play them again, you cannot accept, nor decline, nor do anything. I’ve JUST gotten my latest bug report solved yesterday, too.

Yeah, I’ve noticed that too, not long ago.

Haven’t submitted a bug report yet.

. I think you’re going by [url=http://www.businessinsider.com/the-combined-wealth-of-everyone-in-the-entire-world-2016-9]this articleThat can’t be right. There are , which also starts with $241 but has an extra trio of zeroes in there. $241 trillion sounds much more reasonable.[li]

Please remember that fabulous wealth entitles you to perks not available to the masses or, indeed, publicly listed. Were one to approach Failbetter with an offer of enough money I’m sure one could come to an agreement by which the action limit could be turned off. Failing that, one could hire a hacker to take care of it. Or a lot of them. Calculably but inconceivably vast wealth opens many doors!

Really it’s probably more efficient, and with a conceivable if vast amount of money, to simply buy Failbetter and run it as one chooses. That could entail having infinite actions, of course, but it’s much easier to just add a button to grant a number of hounds of heaven equal to the number entered in a field. Like buying from the bazaar, but without an echo cost.