The Neathy Tarot

Fallen London
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According to the description of the gloves that Madame Shoshana’s mayoral campaign gave out, the Neathy version of a tarot deck contains 77 Major Arcana cards (compared with 22 in a &quotstandard&quot Surface deck) and an unknown number of Minor Arcana. If you have information about any of these cards, please post the name of the card and where you found it, so we can create a list of all known cards in the Neathy tarot.

Current list of cards (will be updated):

Major Arcana:

[ul][li]The Blacksmith (Unlucky. Source: sidebar snippet ‘Madame Shoshana’)[/li][li]The Boat (Unlucky. Source: sidebar snippet ‘Madame Shoshana’)[/li][li]The Gibbet (Signifies &quota source of extreme vexation&quot. Source: Try the Tarot Cards)[/li][li]The Sword (Lucky, signifies &quotgreat luck in love&quot and &quotsomething about dolls with china heads.&quot Source: Ask for a romantic prediction)[/li][li]The Mirror (Lucky, signifies a funeral or a copper bathtub. Source: Ask for help advice on your investigations)
[/li][li]The Vegetable Lamb (An ominous card. Source: Add alternative aleatory methods)
[/li][li]The Bluecap Mine-sprite (An ominous card. Source: Add alternative aleatory methods)[/li][li]The Hanged Man (An ominous card. Also found in the Surface Tarot. Source: Add alternative aleatory methods)[/li][li]The Bandaged Man (signifies that you will read something. Source: Try the Tarot Cards)[/li][li]The Stalactite (signifies that you will inherit something. Source: Try the Tarot Cards)[/li][li]The Garden (signifies losing a game of chess to an inferior opponent. Looks pretty. Source: Try the Tarot Cards)[/li][li]The Lyre (signifies water. Source: Try the Tarot Cards)[/li][li]The Gibbous Moon (An auspicious card. Source: A Tricky Assignment) – does anyone have an echo of this storylet?[/li][/ul]Minor Arcana:

[ul][li]Page of Staves (signifies that you will embark on a journey. Source: Try the Tarot Cards)[/li][li]Three of Coins (a lucky card. Source: Try the Tarot Cards)[/li][/ul]Other information:

[ul][li]All three cards drawn by the Enigmatic Augur (Ace of Chalices, the Knave of Wands, the Chariot) are found in the Surface tarot. Since the Hanged Man is also in the Neathy tarot, it is possible that the Augur is actually using a Neathy deck as well, or he may be using a Surface deck.
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edited by James Sinclair on 2/15/2021

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Staves, coins, wands, chalices are all used in surface deck minor arcana. However, usually not both on staves/wands. It’s one or the other. So either they are using the same deck & different words for the same suite, or they are using different decks.

Otherwise the minor is: Wands (clubs, staffs, or staves), Cups (chalices, goblets, or hearts), Swords (blades, or spades), and Coins (pentacles, rings, or diamonds).

If that helps tell the two (?) decks apart.
edited by TheLampades on 2/15/2021

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[quote=Amber Eyed Hyaline]Staves, coins, wands, chalices are all used in surface deck minor arcana. However, usually not both on staves/wands. It’s one or the other. So either they are using the same deck & different words for the same suite, or they are using different decks.

Otherwise the minor is: Wands (clubs, staffs, or staves), Cups (chalices, goblets, or hearts), Swords (blades, or spades), and Coins (pentacles, rings, or diamonds).
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That’s interesting, I did not realize that different words could be used for the various suits among real-world tarot decks. The only deck I own is a Book of Thoth, which uses wands/swords/discs/cups. The alternate wording you mentioned suggests that the Neathy deck may use the same suits as on the Surface, with the only difference being the addition of new Major Arcana cards.

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[quote=James Sinclair][quote=Amber Eyed Hyaline]Staves, coins, wands, chalices are all used in surface deck minor arcana. However, usually not both on staves/wands. It’s one or the other. So either they are using the same deck & different words for the same suite, or they are using different decks.

Otherwise the minor is: Wands (clubs, staffs, or staves), Cups (chalices, goblets, or hearts), Swords (blades, or spades), and Coins (pentacles, rings, or diamonds).
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That’s interesting, I did not realize that different words could be used for the various suits among real-world tarot decks. The only deck I own is a Book of Thoth, which uses wands/swords/discs/cups. The alternate wording you mentioned suggests that the Neathy deck may use the same suits as on the Surface, with the only difference being the addition of new Major Arcana cards.[/quote]

I own around… that’s not important & it makes me sound crazy… so! The three &quotstandards&quot today are the Rider Waite, the Thoth, & the Marseilles decks. The Marseilles deck is what a lot were derived from & the three of them set a standard for the suites. Marseilles was Batons, Cups, Coins, Swords. RW was Wands, Cups, Swords, Pentacles. Thoth was Disks, Swords, Cups, Wands. So, really, everyone went hard on swords & cups. But coins & wands they had differences on.
So if we go by WHEN London fell & WHEN the decks were created, it negates the RW & Thoth decks. RW is 1909 & Thoth is 1944. So disks & pentacles is not really a thing. But weirdly, WANDS shouldn’t be either. RW is the first to use both pentacles & wands as the Hermetic Dawn wanted a more occult sounding deck. So, trying to use the wording to figure it out also doesn’t help. Since the Neath deck should be batons/staves & coins (rings maybe).

So, of the decks I have out, only the Visconti should count, but the wands from the Augur ruins that methodology of ruling out what deck is being used by whom. The only reason I actually mentioned any of this anyway is incase more cards come up.

Old decks had Papess, not High Priestess. Pope, not Hierophant. The Lovers card had THREE people on it (in many decks, not all but most) & was switched to two by RW to correspond to the zodiac (also, later, moral values), which is also why the cards &quotStrength&quot & &quotJustice&quot were switch in places (Strength to VII & Justice to XI); zodiac sign corresponding. Thoth switched them back. So, it’ll be interesting if any other info about the Neath deck pops up.