I must say: Virginia tries hard to be tempting - an academic, supposedly ousted from the embassy, with church support no less but… come on. She is a Deviless. I mean, if her core promise had to do with knowledge, something related to Benthic, she could be half-believable, but Public Health? So they are not after our souls only, they mean to interfere in our bodies, too? Mercy.
Virginia is trying to run on an admixture of Jenny’s and the DTC’s platforms … only without the credibility to back it up.
the problem is that she isn’t even from london, she’s from hell. Anything she does will be about the devils, not londoners. She is probably doing this just so she can use her status as mayor of london to get more advancement within the intenal politics of the brass embassy.[li]
Exactly! And knowing hell that means that virginia must be doing the exact opposite and will be putting london above all others things, exactly as a devil would!
The sensible and logical choice is clear! Put a devil in charge.
Have you investigated Virginia yet?
(Also, N.B.: Feducci’s not from London, is arguably an enemy of London, and yet he was elected mayor with a clear majority. Not that he achieved anything except blowing up the erstwhile mayoral residence.)
So we should vote virginia because hell is the bizzaro version of itself and always does the exact opposite of what it does? [li]
In that case she will do the exact opposite of doing exact opposite of what she’s doingand not do the exact opposite of what she’s doing, and put london last.
(Also, N.B.: Feducci’s not from London, is arguably an enemy of London, and yet he was elected mayor with a clear majority. Not that he achieved anything except blowing up the erstwhile mayoral residence.)[/quote]
I’m not saying she couldn’t be elected, I’m saying she shouldn’t be elected. Plus, the fact that Virginia is actively and openly working for the brass embassy, in additon to the fact that it has a history of medelling in internal politics has made me uneasy. Plus, she is willing to murder the player character repeatedly in order to make them give hell what it wants. Not a very good choice for mayor.[li][/li][li]
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"Surreptitious enquiries at the Embassy confirm Virginia’s own words: Hell is not funding her. Indeed, in the opinion of the infernal diplomats, the whole affair is entirely embarrassing. They’d rather she cease her involvement immediately."
(2) It’s unsubstantiated especially because we know Virginia’s motivation: intellectual curiosity and scientific inquiry. Her policies include the construction of public works and the improvement of London’s public health. She does not seek power for power’s sake; she has the truly admirable trait of being willing to step down and give up office. This is the kind of trait that Americans praise George Washington for. This is the kind of trait that allows the gears of democratic government to turn.
"Kings reigned here once," she says, "Look what becomes of them. All who aspire to rule meet this fate," she says with satisfaction.
Does that not contradict her own ambitions? "Oh, intellectual curiosity. I mean to improve, and be gone after a year."
Does anyone else think that it’s a little weird that this thread was posted in the Bazaar and not pinned in the election subforum?
Look, I’m sure that Virginia has a lot of wonderful personal qualities, but she tried to steal my Correspondence Stones, and some things you just can’t forgive.
In Heart’s Desires, Virginia is very clearly aligned with Hell’s revolutionary government and she got her high position by betraying an aristocratic lover to the rebels. Her differences with the Brass Embassy are just mundane bureaucratic friction. Last election a Brass Embassy committee tried to influence things through Mr. Slowcake and failed to win. Now Virginia is acting alone, which could potentially be very embarrassing to them should she succeed. So the Brass Embassy’s staff are annoyed with her and hope she loses.
[spoiler][quote=Heart’s Desire: Virginia, getting info from the Church]The Bishop of Southwark meets you in the back room of a paper warehouse. He leads you along a rough tunnel to the crypts under St Guthlac’s. Black-robed priests lean on tombs, transcribing fresh reports and old demonologies into files. The Bishop pulls a dossier from a cabinet and tosses it to you. "This doesn’t leave holy ground."
Virginia’s file is thick for a devil of her rank. Towards the end, you find an account of her activities during the season of revolutions. "Virginia’s a zealot," the Bishop says, peering over your shoulder. "Betrayed – then testified against – her own lover, a Prince of Hell. They imprisoned him, somewhere." There. In the Medusa’s Head, they call that leverage.[/quote][/spoiler]
I think she can be trusted to serve Hell’s interests.
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Not to mention that she’s Hell’s representative if you try to sell the Nadir’s location - going through sets you Closest To Hell, and her answer is "We’ll find a use for it". I think her affiliations are crystal-clear.
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[quote=Dudebro Pyro]Not to mention that she’s Hell’s representative if you try to sell the Nadir’s location - going through sets you Closest To Hell, and her answer is "We’ll find a use for it". I think her affiliations are crytal-clear.[/quote]I agree: she’s clearly affiliated with Hell. She’s a hero of the revolution; I don’t think anyone’s arguing that point. Her campaign, however, is explicitly described as being separate from the Brass Embassy, and it’s a mischaracterization of the evidence, from my perspective, to say that her campaign is actively working with Hell.
There are many reasons to be suspicious - Hell ought to want higher quality souls, after all - but given the information we have, Virginia’s motivations are made pretty clear, in my opinion, and it’s not in direct alignment with Hell.
Her platform of public health, investment in infrastructure, and strengthening of London both mentally and physically is, in my opinion, the most reasonable, well-developed, and beneficial plan. This is precisely why my character supported the Dauntless Temperance Campaigner in 1895. Damning Virginia because of her association with Hell just doesn’t make sense to me.
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I made Madame Shoshana cry.
I feel a little guilty now.
Except that Hell is very interested in souls, the Forgotten Quarter, and the Correspondence, and so Virginia’s interest in all these are in direct alignment with Hell. So, the available evidence is that she is 100% Hell’s agent, pursuing Hell’s interests.
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Except that Hell is very interested in souls, the Forgotten Quarter, and the Correspondence, and so Virginia’s interest in all these are in direct alignment with Hell. So, the available evidence is that she is 100% Hell’s agent, pursuing Hell’s interests.[/quote]Virginia openly states that this campaign is for her own academic interest, and she echoes this sentiment in her private conversation riding through the Forgotten Quarter. We can assume a degree of honesty here, as this is what actual money is paid to see. She is a devil, and her interests may lie with devils, but the institution that is Hell has thus far shown little support for her campaign.
And this is the ancillary issue for me, at least. I’ll repeat what I noted earlier:
[quote=Azothi]Her platform of public health, investment in infrastructure, and strengthening of London both mentally and physically is, in my opinion, the most reasonable, well-developed, and beneficial plan. This is precisely why my character supported the Dauntless Temperance Campaigner in 1895. Damning Virginia because of her association with Hell just doesn’t make sense to me.[/quote]Her policies are still the best bet, in my opinion, to create real positive change in London. I don’t see how her being a devil lessens that.
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The mythological Devil famously speaks in half-truths. Virginia’s interests are identical to Hell’s interests and that’s why she is in London. When you give her the location of the Nadir, she promptly gives the information to her superiors and makes you Closest to Hell. She works for them, she is their good servant.
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Here is my WIP sheet about our candidates!
I just started adding info over the last year’s if anyone is curious! Of course, spoilers there!
[quote=Skinnyman]Here is my WIP sheet about our candidates!
I just started adding info over the last year’s if anyone is curious! Of course, spoilers there![/quote]Hang on, I have echoes for some of your gaps. I’ll send them over to you.
EDIT: They should be sent now.
The mythological Devil famously speaks in half-truths. Virginia’s interests are identical to Hell’s interests and that’s why she is in London. When you give her the location of the Nadir, she promptly gives the information to her superiors and makes you Closest to Hell. She works for them, she is their good servant.
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edited by Anne Auclair on 7/16/2019[/quote]To point to precedent, the Fate-locked option for Mr Slowcake didn’t even bother trying to hide that he wasn’t real; you literally were Slowcake for a day. I’d argue that we can find the Fate-locked conversation largely honest. This also aligns with evidence that even under investigation, the Brass Embassy is not supporting Virginia’s campaign. Virginia’s interests are definitely that of a devil - she has enough devil supporters to show that.
But again, I’m going to bring up my earlier point, just copy/pasted back in here with added emphasis:
And this is the ancillary issue for me, at least. I’ll repeat what I noted earlier:
[quote=Azothi]Her platform of public health, investment in infrastructure, and strengthening of London both mentally and physically is, in my opinion, the most reasonable, well-developed, and beneficial plan. This is precisely why my character supported the Dauntless Temperance Campaigner in 1895. Damning Virginia because of her association with Hell just doesn’t make sense to me.[/quote]Her policies are still the best bet, in my opinion, to create real positive change in London. I don’t see how her being a devil lessens that.
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Wait, aren’t fate locked stories only supposed to only be available on the second week? That’s how it was last year. And you could only do them by choosing a candidate.
This spoiling isn’t cool.
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