Recently we had the Exceptional Friendship story of the Chimney Pot War regarding the Urchins warring for Storm’s favor. Ok, on its own odd but whatever.
Then I recently did the Foreign Office and learned how the Face have connections to what I’m assuming is also Storm; and their background as urchins. (Iirc I think I saw the Teeth also had something with Storm? I was more focused in their case on the more immediate revelation about them)
What is that dead god’s thing with Urchins? Are there other places with info like this? Related: the Face and their dietary habits? Is that connected in any way to the exceptional story as well, what with the weird shit with that body, eating it, the red science stuff people had mentioned, and etc? (Though I ended up siding with the Teeth so idk if I lost out on learning more or not)
And if there is nothing more, than this thread is as good as any for speculation.
Actually, it’s just one urchin, Slivvy (the stuttering boy with the birthmark), who has a particular connection to Storm. How and why, we don’t really know yet, though I seem to remember reading somewhere (in SS, possibly?) that he survived being struck by lightning. Anyway, he is a kind of shaman for all the urchin tribes/gangs. He can even help you getting rid of Seeking.
The thing on the roof of the Foreign Office is not Storm. It’s the same thing you can hunt in the Bag a Legend! ambition. edited by phryne on 7/27/2016
[quote=phryne]Actually, it’s just one urchin, Slivvy (the stuttering boy with the birthmark), who has a particular connection to Storm. How and why, we don’t really know yet, though I seem to remember reading somewhere (in SS, possibly?) that he survived being struck by lightning. Anyway, he is a kind of shaman for all the urchin tribes/gangs. He can even help you getting rid of Seeking.
The thing on the roof of the Foreign Office is not Storm. It’s the same thing you can hunt in the Bag a Legend! ambition. edited by phryne on 7/27/2016[/quote]
See I thought at first it was the Vake (mostly after hearing about the Veteran Privy Counselor’s roof top meetings, figured it would have to be something…along the same lines as the Vake), but the whole dream thing where it speaks to you afterwards made me wonder if it wasn’t Storm. Plus not having that Ambition I don’t know its appearance beyond general details, making the weird cloud of darkness seem more likely to be Storm in my mind.
That just raises further questions then. Like one agent, the VPC, being in their pockets made sense, but the entire foreign office? I feel like I’m missing something. Like I have the beginning and the ending of a story, but not the middle.
The Vake is a very powerful being, yes. If you want to know its identity, you can read that here. (spoilers, obviously, but it’s nothing illegal: this story was a reward for a high-end backer of The Silver Tree game)
I’m not sure whether the VPC’s rooftop meetings have anything to do with the Vake, though. Lots of things happen on the rooftops of this city ;)
Also, if you want to read a general outline of the first half of Bag a Legend! (incl. a description of the Vake), another player has kindly provided that. edited by phryne on 7/28/2016
Sadly Storm’s motives and the politics of the Rooftops are rather unclear at the moment. Many of the Neath’s mysteries require you to explore a great deal of the city and read a lot of text to piece together a coherent picture of what exactly is going on. It’s a cold day in Hell when Londoners give you a clear answer in Our Fair City.
The short version is Storm has some sort of contract with the urchin gangs, and in-between mischief making they do his bidding.
The long version:
Storm is a Dragon, a creature from the High Wilderness that enacts the Judgements’ will. How exactly he got stuck in the roof and why he may or may not be dead is unclear. What is clear how he can interact with the Neath below is limited, and requires mortals to do his will.
If you own an orphanage, you learn that not all of the urchins of Fallen London live on the rooftops by choice. For a great deal of them, "The Wind spoke their names," and they aren’t allowed to leave. Similar to the Bazaar and The Masters, Storm has some sort of binding contract with the Urchins he calls to that compels them to leave their homes and do his will. The urchin with the liver-spotted birthmark was struck by lightning and as a result has some sort of special connection with Storm, acting as a shaman of sorts that instructs them on his will.
Stories available only during a certain part of the year shine a light on what doing Storm’s will entails. During the Twelve Days of Mr. Sacks, the Urchins can enlist your help to take down a Mr. Sacks that apparently wasn’t formed from a Master of the Bazaar. Apparently there are old, nameless powers at work in London, and the Urchins work to keep them contained. In Sunless Sea, you can deliver stone to the Urchins, who tell you they’re going to drop it on people Storm doesn’t like. From this we can tell there’s a lot going on behind the scenes, and Storm has an agenda we don’t really understand.
The latest Exceptional Story divulged some interesting new details on the Urchins and their relationship with their patron. The Fisher Kings have grown tired of having Storm shouting at them, and want to form a new contract with the Bazaar instead. It’s unclear what breaking the contract would bring down on the Urchins as a whole if they succeed, but it’s unlikely to be good.
Thank you, I was aware the general of Storm, but this stuff involving the Orphanage, Sackmas, and Sunless Sea is completely new.
Thank you for the link phryne, I was aware who the Vake was (but dodging around saying as much in my posts, didn’t want to spoil anything for anyone else just in case), though this Silver Tree stuff is entirely new to me!
Still, these descriptions mention it specifically as leathery, where the Foreign Office it is more a void in the air, that speaks in odd all caps. On the other hand the whole eating human flesh sounds Vake-ish?
Still, these descriptions mention it specifically as leathery, where the Foreign Office it is more a void in the air, that speaks in odd all caps. On the other hand the whole eating human flesh sounds Vake-ish?
edited by Cthonius on 7/28/2016[/quote]
Actually Sunless Sea has some port interactions that shed some light on the cannibalism as well. During a visit to Apis Meet, you might get the opportunity to indulge in some of the Presbyterate’s "culinary delights". There are at least some people of the Elder Continent believe it is possible to inherit the strength of their permanently dead comrades by consuming their remains. If you choose to join the funeral feast, you actually do get a permanent boost to Iron (SS’ attack statistic) showing the practice has merit.
Since the agents of the teeth are all Snuffers, perhaps the diplomats of the Face are Prebyterates who practice the custom? That would explain why both groups seem to worship the Vake on the roof, since in the Presbyterate anything that flies is considered sacred.
[quote=Edward Warren]Since the agents of the teeth are all Snuffers, perhaps the diplomats of the Face are Prebyterates who practice the custom? That would explain why both groups seem to worship the Vake on the roof, since in the Presbyterate anything that flies is considered sacred.[/quote]No, it is stated that all members of the Face are former Urchins who were recruited for their good singing voices.
If you picked Heart’s Desire, you get to visit Old Downey, a sentient house inhabited by Knotted Sock Urchins. If you steal the item making Old Downey special, you make Storm angry (it lowers the dream quality related to him)
so storm has an actual tangible presence? i always thought it was more abstract than that.
so does that mean that salt and stone do as well? if so then that just makes me ace more for fail better to make going north possible.
edit wow i realy tripped over my shoelaces in the second part of that second sentence didn’t i? edited by crazyroosterman on 3/13/2017
“Ache more for fbg to make going North possible” ? I assume. Though I’m confused as we can go North for SMEN already, and technically had a brief stop at the Horizon for an exceptional story and for Sunless Sea.
So yes, Stone DEFINITELY has a tangible presence. In fact, Stone is the Mountain of Light in the Presbyterate in the South. Storm is…weirder. It might be tangible. Probably not; my original questions and assumptions were based on incomplete info and wrong guesses as can be seen, leading us back to having no physical appearance of Storm. It is a dead “god,” and has as tangible appearance as the dead have (say, like Mr Eaten). It HAD a tangible appearance, when it died idk, as it did interact with Salt before they went East.
Salt on the other hand…probably? We have no reason to believe they don’t have a tangible presence. They’re in the farthest East is all. Maybe that can mean they’re beyond tangible form, ascended in some way, idk I haven’t gotten too far in Sunless Sea, certainly not enough to complete the Uttermost East ambition. But what I have seen leads me to believe Salt is tangible, yes.
[quote=Cthonius]"Ache more for fbg to make going North possible" ? I assume. Though I’m confused as we can go North for SMEN already, and technically had a brief stop at the Horizon for an exceptional story and for Sunless Sea.
So yes, Stone DEFINITELY has a tangible presence. In fact, Stone is the Mountain of Light in the Presbyterate in the South. Storm is…weirder. It might be tangible. Probably not; my original questions and assumptions were based on incomplete info and wrong guesses as can be seen, leading us back to having no physical appearance of Storm. It is a dead "god," and has as tangible appearance as the dead have (say, like Mr Eaten). It HAD a tangible appearance, when it died idk, as it did interact with Salt before they went East.
Salt on the other hand…probably? We have no reason to believe they don’t have a tangible presence. They’re in the farthest East is all. Maybe that can mean they’re beyond tangible form, ascended in some way, idk I haven’t gotten too far in Sunless Sea, certainly not enough to complete the Uttermost East ambition. But what I have seen leads me to believe Salt is tangible, yes.[/quote]
the tripping over my own shoelace remark was more meant towards what that sentence was before i realized the mistakes i made in it.
but i figured stone was probably tangible seeing how she has a very noticeable effect on the world but ive never managed to see her for my self in sunless seas and i haven’t got to that point in fl
were as storm out side of rumor and the effects in sunless seas which you could pass of as superstition (im mainly talking about the effects in regard to sacrificing to him when your low on fuel cant speak for event involving him other wise) hasn’t been doing anything my character can see as his.
and yea salt im pretty tempted to say hes not tangible since ive got basically nothing on him realy asides from what i read in a wiki one time.
also what i meant by going north was going past the point of the avid horizon into the uncharted territory witch i imagine the unmade part of the dilmun club story line will involve. edited by crazyroosterman on 3/13/2017