Quite possible. What configuration do I want?..[/quote]
You want the First Circle to win. And remember, when you place bets you’re betting on a team to lose. But regardless of your betting position, you need the First Circle to win and the Second Circle to lose.
Thank you!
I really wish I’d known about needing a Viric Mirrorcatch Box at Ealing BEFORE I went down into the Magistracy Basement and got a Pelligin Box.
Edit: Unlike most people who probably have too much time on their hands, I couldn’t be bothered with the Jericho Locks RNG.
edited by Deathjack999 on 6/4/2021
For some reason (I think I have to credit Failbetter here) I really want to make sure everyone’s happy with the outcome of the City, and I was wondering
What Furnace thinks of Cornelius becoming the city in her stead (if that’s something you can ask her about).
Make Cornelius a leader, talk to him about it, then switch to Furnace and you’ll be able to ask her directly.
Is there a reason we can’t double Furnace like we can the manager or ourselves?
A likely reason is that a Discordant Law has already been enacted on Furnace, so we can’t enact another one on top of it to double her until we break the first one.
For why we can’t restore Furnace and then double her, the answer may be that a large part of the Creditor’s interest lies in Furnace’s condition. Removing could be as much of a violation of the oath as substituting a different person.
That said, this is my own speculation based on the existing lore, since I don’t think the reason is explicitly stated anywhere.
[quote=Winthropx]Is there a reason we can’t double Furnace like we can the manager or ourselves?[/quote]Could it be because of this?
[quote=Furnace]"I had hoped that after all this was over, when our city was built, and the Union no longer on the verge of splitting into factions, I would find a way to shed my other faces. I half hoped I would find a hint at Hurlers, but that place is closed to me. I can’t read any of its messages. Nor do I want to."[/quote]The implication here being that Furnace can’t be doubled because she either can’t enter the Hurlers (closed in a literal sense) or she can’t read the stones for whatever reason.
EDIT: It can’t be the first one, because she mentions exploring the Hurlers in another conversation.
edited by Mulligan on 6/5/2021
Oh man. So does that "your own double" option require that secret discordance puzzle? Or healing furnace, or the manager option?
I took a break from the hurlers when that was announced, but maybe I have to go back and do that now, and delay Marigold until I can do that…
edited by Amalgamate on 6/5/2021
[quote=Amalgamate]Oh man. So does that "your own double" option require that secret discordance puzzle? Or healing furnace, or the manager option?
I took a break from the hurlers when that was announced, but maybe I have to go back and do that now, and delay Marigold until I can do that…
edited by Amalgamate on 6/5/2021[/quote]You don’t need to complete the puzzle, but you do need to start it in order to get to a place where you can play Hurlyburly. Once the goats have settled and the stones stand, you can understand the laws written on them. You’ll need to read those laws in order to double yourself or the Manager.
You can still heal Furnace regardless of all that, but you’ll just be limited to choosing Cornelius as the city.
A likely reason is that a Discordant Law has already been enacted on Furnace, so we can’t enact another one on top of it to double her until we break the first one.
For why we can’t restore Furnace and then double her, the answer may be that a large part of the Creditor’s interest lies in Furnace’s condition. Removing could be as much of a violation of the oath as substituting a different person.
That said, this is my own speculation based on the existing lore, since I don’t think the reason is explicitly stated anywhere.[/quote]
Isn’t she already under the effect of two laws? The one that gives her the three faces and the one that makes her and Mr. Fires forget each other?
New option clarifies it - the law with faces is enacted by Cornelius, and irrigo-box is meant for him. The law enacted by Fires would remain intact.
I wonder, why there’s no obvious option to double Furnace, then citify one and heal another.
This way every side is satisfied (not counting Manager).
edited by Aro Saren on 6/9/2021
If we turn Furnace into a city, will she be able to still be on the board of the GHR? We can have the Drummer on it already, so I can’t imagine a city being too much to ask.
I genuinely want the tracklayers and Furnace to be happy.
January points out that If Furnace becomes a city, she can’t lead her people and they’ll just be manipulated and used by all the various factions in the Neath. January casually admits she will exploit the tracklayers because of this. She told me this probably expecting me to side with her philosophy, yet I felt a twinge of anger IRL.
This is not acceptable. They just want a new home. Furnace must lead. I’ll find another way…
edited by Tystefy on 6/10/2021
I find it telling that most other characters want Furnace to become a city only because it gets her out of the way. Lilac and F.F. are the only ones that seem to actually consider what might make her happy. And Lilac makes a pretty good point there, but I’m still not totally convinced.
I suppose it’s decision time tomorrow. Better finish making up my mind!
I wish I knew how real the problems might be with deceiving the Creditor. I’m expecting an accounting of how we’ve acted towards the Creditor overall; I gave it 3 points of 4 on the currency, and a pretty nifty treaty, so I’m hoping that gives some buffer to suggesting an alternate spouse. We shall see. Oh, and I burnt a thousand scrip. That better be worth something.
My main concern is that the Creditor will make a substandard city if it’s not happy. That would not be good.
[quote=PSGarak]I find it telling that most other characters want Furnace to become a city only because it gets her out of the way. Lilac and F.F. are the only ones that seem to actually consider what might make her happy. And Lilac makes a pretty good point there, but I’m still not totally convinced.
I suppose it’s decision time tomorrow. Better finish making up my mind!
I wish I knew how real the problems might be with deceiving the Creditor. I’m expecting an accounting of how we’ve acted towards the Creditor overall; I gave it 3 points of 4 on the currency, and a pretty nifty treaty, so I’m hoping that gives some buffer to suggesting an alternate spouse. We shall see. Oh, and I burnt a thousand scrip. That better be worth something.
My main concern is that the Creditor will make a substandard city if it’s not happy. That would not be good.[/quote]
I feel like I’m in a very similar position, except my main motivation to supplant Furnace and become a city is 1. this is the closest I will ever get to playing Malfeas the Demon City from Exalted in a videogame and 2. I want to pulp the workers for making me do all that bloody skeleton grinding and then feed the remains to my Vake. So at this point my main conflict is whether or not restoring Furnace’s face is worth it. I’ve basically been an enemy to her to the extent the game would let me ever since she picked the "Glass him" option when I mentioned our "friendship" so normally I wouldn’t waste the Irrigo box, but on the other hand…one of the reasons why the Creditor is interested in her is because she can co-opt 3 identities as one, so maybe restoring her would make her less appealing to it’s eyes?
I consider Furnace a friend. I don’t want to lose her as a friend no matter what the choice is. Hopefully we can still interact with her afterwards.
[quote=PSGarak]I find it telling that most other characters want Furnace to become a city only because it gets her out of the way. Lilac and F.F. are the only ones that seem to actually consider what might make her happy. And Lilac makes a pretty good point there, but I’m still not totally convinced.[/quote]Lilac is an interesting one. While I want to believe that she has good intentions, it’s worth keeping in mind that she basically works for the Bazaar. Considering her personal inclinations, It’s only natural that she would be supportive of a very strange (potential) love-story between two beings on different ends of the chain. I’m certain the Bazaar would love to add that one to the books.
I’m personally very torn. The week-long wait has given me a lot of time to think, and I fear it’s only made my indecision worse. I want to maintain an alliance with the Creditor and am not that worried about January, considering that my union is heavily emancipationist (23), but I also want to become a city and fix Furnace because I’m rather fond of her at this point. Decisions, decisions.
Also, big ups to Failbetter for adding in almost every option that people have suggested over this past week. I completely understand not giving us an easy out by letting us double Furnace, because I feel that would effectively neuter the weight of the decision. Someone has to lose something, otherwise there are no stakes.
If you have to artificially inflate the stakes, that means you cannot write proper conflict, honestly.