from the fate portion of jack
Using the unnatural vitality of the first customer’s lover, we created Jack.
First customer, first city?
[quote=Ben ]from the fate portion of jack
Using the unnatural vitality of the first customer’s lover, we created Jack.
First customer, first city?[/quote]
we do know the first customer’s lover is very linked to the clay man
Something interesting about this chronological patterning is this recent business about the Sixth City.
I can’t remember which story it was from, I think a recent exceptional story, but I’m fairly sure that Paris has been confirmed as the Sixth City. And from another exceptional story, it’s due to be stolen in 1908. That’s not even a half-century!
Now, it’s possible that the timing is changing based on the rapidity of development. Even so, it seems a bit quick- do you think that London has gone and Messed Up Somehow? Or… will have gone and messed up, in the future? (I’m not from Irem, I swear).
Going with the theory that the traitors received Hesperidean Cider, during the Searching for a Stiff Drink storylet, the Gracious Widow had an important drink stolen from her. One of her henchmen mentioned that she starts going crazy without that drink…
Bother, I had a great theory of proposing St Petersburg for the 6th City trade for the life of the Tsarvich Alexis.
[strikethrough]If Paris was going to be taken, if would be as a great power - and it certainly isn’t in the 20th century (unless it picks off the remaining British colonies, huh). [/strikethrough]
edit - I take it back about the French. Still pretty much a Great Power on the Colonial Empire scale. So, bah. Shoot that part of the Theory.
But Russia very much was, and would have benefited significantly for the lack of a British India at its mid-century strength.
But, that theory broke down - if Alice, second daughter of Queen Victoria doesn’t marry Louis of Hesse (historically, she was engaged at her father’s death and didn’t marry until a few months later) her daughter Alix can’t become Tsarina of Russia…
edited by Parelle on 12/10/2015
I must humbly and respectfully disagree with your assessment of la belle pays. While it appears from our glimpse into the future that there may have been some wibbles and wobbles in the timestream, even in our own timeline France was ranked highly among the great powers.
Attached is a clipping from August 7th, 1902:
In terms of Naval Power, a diminished Britain would be most advantageous to the French.
In another article, August 13th, 1911, Europe’s three "Great Powers" were Britain, Germany, and France:
In terms of great powers in our timeline’s 1908, Britain stands at the fore, with Germany in the Ascendant, and France falling behind, but still ahead of Austria-Hungary, Russia, and the Americans. In this potential Alternate timeline? We only glimpse what we are shown, and the narrator is of the unreliable sort, so it may amount to much or nothing.
Though an Empire rather than a République? That does seem to point to a number of interesting changes in the timeline…
When I think of Great Powers, I think of the lineup in Diplomacy, although one might argue that Italy and Turkey are only there to fill out the board. But historically, France ranked as a Great Power before the end of WWII and the subsequent collapse of most of her empire.
– Mal
Re: the power of France
Fair, fair, I admit my Anglophile bias again the French (and I’m disadvantaged for not having played Reflections I understand).
Admittedly, historically France is definitely diminished post-the 1871 Franco German war (though that led to the fall of the Second Empire which appears not to have fallen hmm). And bah, my now 10 year old memory of my British Empire class is shaky on the size of the French colonial empire, so I retract the claim on them not being a Great Power.
But, I would argue, that the Great Game as played out in Central Asian would be to the advantage of the Russians without England. And besides, it’ll be an excellent setup for a different kind of trade for love.
[quote=Parelle]
Admittedly, historically France is definitely diminished post-the 1871 Franco German war (though that led to the fall of the Second Empire which appears not to have fallen hmm). [/quote]
No argument there, France in 1870 suffered from an Emperor under the delusion he was also a General, like his namesake.
It certainly would be interesting to see how the players of the Great Game pursued the hands they were dealt following London’s fall.
A Russo-Afghan war would precede any incursion into India, and it would be fascinating to see how the British Raj reacted, or to what extent, if any, it survived. Expanding French influence via Pondichéry vs Russian expansion through Afghanistan. Potential interesting developments indeed.
Oh, London will certainly leave a legacy beyond the Zee, but it won’t be Port Carnelian.
"The Fifth will live on in the heart of the Sun…"
Oh, London will certainly leave a legacy beyond the Zee, but it won’t be Port Carnelian.
"The Fifth will live on in the heart of the Sun…"[/quote]
I don’t think those are mutually opposed, you know. the longest lasting effect the ?th city had was killing a near-ageless entity, given how that’s still making waves today, but they still made their own colony.
What are the second’s and third’s colonies? Tomb Colonies for the third, perhaps?
Yeah, I dare say. And Visage seems to be what remains of a Second City colony.
Are any people born in the Tomb Colonies? Or near the Tomb-Colonies?
After a quick look on the FL wiki, there seems to be a storyline in the Heart’s Desire! Ambition where you can acquire and stake Paris for the Marvellous against Mr Pages. http://fallenlondon.wikia.com/wiki/…acquire_a_Sixth_City. Can anyone confirm this storylet? Because that is about as convincing evidence that I’ve found for Paris as the sixth.
Well, that and how everyone in Wilmot’s End obsesses over the city.
Paris is certainly the masters’ next intended target, confirmed both here and in July’s exceptional story. Whether or not that will come to pass is another question entirely.
Whoever’s post I just reported - sorry! Damn this phone!
I’ve finally got the last relicker to show up (huzzah!), so I am now the proud owner of 1 x Breath of the Void. The result text is quite interesting.
The hover text for the Breath of the Void explains that it "is how the Correspondence sounds, when it’s spoken between stars." So what exactly was the Pharaoh doing making star sounds? What was the Pharaoh? Perhaps the Pharaoh, being a godlike figure, actually had some power to communicate with the Judgements, and that’s why the second city is so hated by the masters.
Apologies if this is old news; I haven’t been keeping close tabs on this thread for, oh, three years.
No apologies - that’s cool as heck. Given the Pharaoh was a real-world sun-cultst, he was in prime position to learn some Correspondence.
Take warning O proud,
And in length o’ life vain!
I’m Shaddad son of Ad,
Of the forts castellain,
Lord of pillars and power,
Lord of tried might and main,
Whom all earth sons obeyed
For my mischief and bane,
And who held East and West
In mine awfulest reign.
He preached me salvation
Whom God did assain,
But we crossed him and asked,
“Can no refuge be ta’en?”
When a Cry on us cried
From th’ horizon plain,
And we fell on the field
Like the harvested grain,
And the Fixt Day await
We, in earth’s bosom lain!