If I level Empire’s Kingmaker (Affair of the Box) and then switch to the Masters, will I lose Empire’s Kingmaker? I want to be able to get Mourning Candles from the Box carousel but I want to side with the Masters for roleplay reasons (it would be very in character for me to betray my side along the way)
I have switched back and forth across the line between pro- and anti- Masters a time or two and I still have Empire’s Kingmaker at 98. I used the Box carousel to get Mourning Candles regularly until recently, when I switched to Compromising Documents (for pragmatic reasons). I didn’t switch for roleplay reasons, but because I sometimes got confused as to which storylet implied an allegiance with which side!
Now, bear in mind that I have not switched allegiance in this way for years now, but I don’t think FBG has changed the way this particular carousel works.
I am rather annoyed that I have Turncoat at 1, and have only ever clicked on anti-masters options. I have never switched sides on the carousel. The game assumed for some reason that I had given my allegiance to the Masters, and gave me a point of Turncoat the very first time the carousel became available to me and I clicked on an anti-masters option. I have never been quite able to figure out why this occurred.
That recently happened to me as well.
There are other ways to gain the Turncoat quality besides switching between Masters and Revolutionaries during the Affair of the Box, such as:
- Switching from supporting the Last Constable to the Cheery Man (or vice versa) in the early stages of that storyline[/li][li]Beating up an underworld kingpin (instead of a minister) on the "Pugilism and politics" card.[/li][li]Informing on other prisoners while in New New Gate.
Didn’t do any of those things. I acquired Turncoat with my first ever click on the box carousel (I had only just unlocked it).
Unless it’s an unintended bug, it might be because the start of the Box storyline is you supposedly tracking this box at the request/demand of the Masters (via Jasper and Frank). Supporting the Revolutionaries (even as your first act) is a "betrayal" in the Master’s eyes.
At least, one point of Turncoat means nothing mechanically. But if you really want to remove it, you can increase it on purpose until it’s at 4, and then get rid of at (at the cost of Masters connections or Revolutionaries Favours).
There are other ways to get sorted to masters or anti-masters, like the fate locked part of the velocipede squad.
Yeah, that makes sense, from a story point of view at any rate. But I didn’t think that was how it worked. Whether you are considered a Turncoat or not in the Affair of the Box is controlled by your "A Power in Waiting" quality - there is a storylet where you get to pick your side before the carousel part begins, and that determines which of the two possible "A Power in Waiting" options you begin with. Granted, it’s possible I accidentally clicked the wrong option, but I am pretty sure I did not.
Though to be honest, I am not particularly perturbed by one point of Turncoat (though it did annoy me at the time). More curious as to how it happened.
I click all the time on the wrong option when I’m groggy/distracted/drinking/whatever and, yeah, seeing "Turncoat" fixed to the page bothers me enough that I’ll sometimes force The Traitor’s Feast immediately and keep a full stock of Revolutionaries favours. I finally added some CSS to hide it but I know it’s there.
That and throwing away mood cards are my favorite pastimes.
I mostly play on a tablet or phone, but on desktop I use a stylesheet that hides, among other things:
- The discard buttons on cards I don’t want to toss on accident (i.e. moods, lofty square, unsigned message, past benefactor, aunt shenanigans)[/li][li]The wrong options on in the Box carousel
I can share if anyone’s interested.