While I generally agree with you, ah, if I may speak up… this bit makes your rebuke of our friend seem a little less-than-impartial. He’s right in that I’ve seen worse… heck, I’ve said worse. Regretted it, edited it, half the time deleted it, but…
Specifically pointing out his use of certain "words" kind of opens up too many assumptions. Just my two pence.
I’ll offer my input, then: This is a choice in a game about making choices. There’s no real justification needed, and attempting to make people feel guilty IRL about choosing the videogame candidate they find most interesting is poor form. I second Sir Fred’s suggestion of contacting one of us if you see others behaving poorly.
[quote=Isaac Zienfried]
Vote for a politician because he isn’t a politician! A very sound plan, yes…[/quote]
To be fair, that tactic actually has quite substantial historical merit. Many people would vote for someone they believe are capable of getting things done, sometimes almost regardless of what said things are. I won’t try to draw real-life parallels to avoid adding a real political shit-storm to our imaginary political shit-storm.
And for all his moral faults (supposed or real) Feducci is a man of action to a degree that none of the other candidate can even come close to compare with.
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edited by Akernis on 7/4/2017
[quote=Akernis][quote=Isaac Zienfried]
Vote for a politician because he isn’t a politician! A very sound plan, yes…[/quote]
To be fair, that tactic actually has quite substantial historical merit. Many people would vote for someone they believe are capable of getting things done, sometimes almost regardless of what said things are. I won’t try to draw real-life parallels to avoid adding a real political shit-storm to our imaginary political shit-storm.
And for all his moral faults (supposed or real) Feducci is a man of action to a degree that none of the other candidate can even come close to compare with.
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edited by Akernis on 7/4/2017[/quote]
Well, a man of violent action.
But then, none of the candidates are mold-perfect politicians, are they?
The Implacable Detective is, well, a detective. She’s more experienced with crimefighting than with running for elections, and I’d argue that a detective is entirely possible at getting things done. Hell, she’s so devoted to doing things that she asked the fingerkings for help on a case that was probably not even that important to her, shows how far she’s willing to go.
And the Dauntless Temperance Campaigner is Dauntless, this is the woman that intimidated a group of revolutionaries. She’s more of a politician than the other two, yes, but a campaigner is hardly a mayor. There’s a difference between protesting and picketing, and actually having a governmental function.
So, as far as I’m concerned, there’s no candidate that’s not a person of action. Just because the ID doesn’t fistfight (anymore) and the DTC is prim and proper, doesn’t mean they’re slack non-action types.
Ahem I would like to address those among us who, like myself, hold our current mayor in the high regard she deserves. In fact, I would go so far as to claim actual affection for her, and have been ever a supporter of her efforts. I understand that many of you, in light of this respect for the mayor, may be having second thought after her disagreement with Feducci. Please Ladies, Gentlemen and assorted other personages, allow me to implore you to not allow this personal disagreement between two of our fair city’s most worthy names to jeopardise our shared future! These two luminaries are, we must remember, both immensely strong personalities, ill suited to compromise or surrender; it is for this reason we admire them.Of course they would come into conflict when they come to share space!
Although there are some obvious differences in policy, I remind you of there similarities: Both are fighters, who believe that one must have the drive to achieve ones goals! Indeed, thanks to the weapon training Jenny sponsored, I’m sure many of the disenfranchised will fare excellently under Feducci tenure; those skills that she instilled, may have prevented the occasional mugging or fended off the odd spider but now may be used to better ones station and change ones fortune!
Feducci has promised to allow an Urchin the same opportunities as an aristocrat’s scion; tell me that that was not precisely Jenny’s intent with her beloved finishing school! We voted for our mayor in part because she promised to lessen the advantage a chosen few had over their peers by accident of birth, and Feducci’s campaign takes this further. Even the titles handed out arbitrarily may soon be decided by the merits of skill, sweat and cunning. Tell me, who do you think will prosper when anything may be fought for: a silver-spooned fop, or those who hew their muscles with honest labour on the docks and the Urchin who has had to strive for survival all there life in the rookeries and the Flit? Why, even the Clay Men are advantaged by Feducci’s daring proposals!
Others would have you believe that Feducci himself will march in to the gin houses and rip apart Jenny’s bed, that he will put the schools to the torch and otherwise single-handedly launch a one man war upon every good work Jenny achieved. This is deliberate falsehood! Self interested parties fear the freedom Feducci will allow every citizen! They fear for their privilege! The truth is Feducci has never once indicated that he would take even the smallest step to undo the great deeds of his predecessor!
Finally, let me beg you to remember that so many of the virtues that so endeared us to our dear Jenny, a woman who’s friendship I value and who’s works I shall continue to support long after she leaves office, are present also in brave Feducci; both are people of wit, charm, passion and fearless temperament; both contribute to make life more pleasurable, more thrilling and generally finer for the people of London and neither will back down from a worth struggle.
Thank you for your support. Vote for Feducci!
Wow, that spin was so intense I can still feel a breeze.
I think if you find someone pointing out Feducci’s tacit support of slavery to be “distasteful”, that says more about your own feelings (and your reactions to discovering something unfortunate about a choice you’ve already made your mind up on) than it does about the delivery of the person who pointed it out.
I’m sorry, what is this in reference to? I couldn’t see a post on this page which did, and I’d rather not re-check the whole topic.
Edit: Have looked back again now, missed it as I was scanning for ‘distasteful’ and that word wasn’t used. I think that the concern wasn’t regarding discussion the topic, but that the tone could be considered actually hurtful (not saying I agree either way), beyond considerate RP parameters, nor do I think the concern came from a partisan perspective but as an admin concerned with the smooth and pleasant running of the forum.
edited by Amsfield on 7/4/2017
…Except Freddy’s sympathetic to the Campaigner.
Feducci worked, apparently by choice, on one of Hell’s triremes, where prisoners of war (London’s brave soldiers, once including the Regretful Soldier) are forced to row as slaves.
Supporters of Sinning Jenny who are hesitantly backing Feducci, I know you are hesitant about joining the Campaigner. Tea has never been Sinning Jenny’s first choice of drink either, her whole term she’s always preferred a glass of Greyfields 1882 or Morwelways. If the Mayor has taken to drinking tea in Hasting Square, it is because she is trying to warn you that Feducci is no good. He might be offering you an impressive looking bottle, but inside, instead of wine, you’ll find pure vinegar mixed with abominable salts. The false tomb-colonist is thoroughly unfit for office and opposed to Jenny’s legacy. The Campaigner in contrast will not only preserve but pick up where Jenny left off. So come home to Jenny and the Campaigner and help make London a better place. For everyone.
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edited by Anne Auclair on 7/4/2017
[quote=Sara Hysaro]
I’m a bit torn on this, but ultimately hope that at least in game terms all mayors are about equal. It’d be a bad move to introduce the notion that we need to elect the developer designated correct mayor if we don’t want to have a comparatively bad year.[/quote]
Oh, how bad could it actually be? I mean, for all the talk of Dauntless locking down the Honey supply, I don’t see the price of Honey changing.
Unless the consequence is "wrong mayor, ambitions delayed", then we can talk about starting a riot!
I concede it would certainly be entertaining to watch the Campaigner try to improve the lot of the average Londoner without upsetting those high born ladies who’s support she has relied upon. How many year has she campaigned and what has she achieved? The hypocritical support of red nosed priests, confidant that their cellars will not be touched? A collection of matrons who join her marches to get out the house and play at ‘helping the unwashed masses’ with no cost to themselves? She is no threat to there privilege, to their comfort and so they find her ‘safe’. As opposed to Feducci, who will bring real change! Where they share the risks the rest of us are not cushioned from by archaic titles or wealth great grandfather ‘earned’ with the self same practices the campaigner now rallies against! They fear Feducci because they fear there grandsons may lose the family silver in a fair fight!
Oh, speaking of grandsons, when his grandmother has closed down the wine shops, when constables nail shut The Mandrake’s doors and the dreaming couches burn in the streets, perhaps Chuffy might open up The Stags cellars so we may drink more than The Widow’s brandy. Or perhaps those too will remain only for ‘the great and the good’.
Whilst I admire the sincere idealism with which Miss Auclair speaks, I hope she too comes to realise, as I have, that The Campaigner offers one of two things; The ruination of the pleasures the Neath has to offer, with all the might high office affords her, or precisely the same as she always has. Once the tea grows cold all she has to offer are tediously leaflets and hymns purchased from those who need to clear their tab at The Singing Mandrake.
Vote for real change! Vote for freedom! Vote for Fair Play! Vote for Feducci!
Edit: Not sure what happened, but everything was a mess. Apologies Anne Auclair for removing your hyperlink, wasn’t sure how to fix it.
edited by Amsfield on 7/4/2017
[quote=Amsfield]
Vote for real change! Vote for freedom! Vote for Fair Play! Vote for Feducci! [/quote]
Vote to blame the victim. The forced urchin-laborer weaving puzzle-damask the Flit, the drunk sleeping homeless in the gutter, the Regretful Soldier with his soulless wife, the honey mazed poet in the Veils Wing, the Clay worker toiling without thanks, and the Rubbery gentleman casually murdered in the streets. They all deserved their fate because, clearly, they didn’t try hard enough.
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edited by Anne Auclair on 7/4/2017
…I feel like we’re hitting a little too close to home now.
Temperance ≠ Prohibition
Temperance ≠ Prohibition
Temperance ≠ Prohibition
edited by Isaac Zienfried on 7/4/2017
…I feel like we’re hitting a little too close to home now.[/quote]
Just to be clear, I never judge players for their characters actions. ^_^
My own character is…not a good person.
[quote=Anne Auclair]
The forced urchin-laborer weaving puzzle-damask the Flit, the drunk sleeping homeless in the gutter, the Regretful Soldier with his soulless wife, the honey mazed poet in the Veils Wing, the Clay worker toiling without thanks, and the Rubbery gentleman casually murdered in the streets.
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edited by Anne Auclair on 7/4/2017[/quote]
You talk of things that are happening now in this City! You plan to blame Feducci for ever ill that has ever occurred in the Neath? Why stop there? I hear Feducci was that serpent who suggested fig for tea! You’d prefer that poet be in chains for sharing his pot with friends? The drunk hidden away in some poor house but still no richer and without even that most pitiful comfort he has now? Rather than allow him a chance to change his fate? And Also, what is the Temperance movements plan to restore lost souls? I’m curious to know, as mine was lost through carelessness. Glad to hear that is as easily gained as it was lost, I’ll think no more of it. The Rubberies and the Clay Men will be glad to know, I’m sure, that the prejudice they faced was merely due to drink, and they shall be safe and loved when we sober up? Or have plans been drawn up I was unaware of. Feducci offers a chance, it may be slim but it is a chance and that’s better than lukewarm tea and condescension.
This just in: helping your fellow Londoners is condescension.
I wonder if that wonderful young lass I taught swordplay to and used my experience as a Glassman to aid the nightmares of resents me for being so callously condescending toward her.
…I feel like we’re hitting a little too close to home now.
Temperance ≠ Prohibition
Temperance ≠ Prohibition
Temperance ≠ Prohibition
edited by Isaac Zienfried on 7/4/2017[/quote]
No offence taken in the first case, at least speaking for myself. And secondly, it can (as socialism can be marxism, but isn’t always) and don’t tell me, preach to the rest of London.
[quote=Isaac Zienfried]This just in: helping your fellow Londoners is condescension.
I wonder if that wonderful young lass I taught swordplay to and used my experience as a Glassman to aid the nightmares of resents me for being so callously condescending toward her.[/quote]
Help is not blaming all the evils of society on wine and honey. London is not some infant who’s bottle you can take away and expect it to sleep soundly. As for condescension, tell me, do we maligned sinners drink and dream because we are gullible and weaker willed the Her Dauntless-ness, or merely stupider?
Actually, in most cases, it’s likely due to the fact that it’s the only comfort people have… as you’ve pointed out. If people are forgotten and discarded by society, they’ll turn to vices because that’s entirely human. People seek ways to cope with their environment.
By providing people with a better environment, one where they can thrive without the immediate and real threat of losing it all, the need for such vices will decrease naturally.