Either let us have multiple boats, or up Zub's BDR

I would add a ‘please’, but for some reason this forum only allows very short titles. :)

With the upcoming Zeefarer series of stories, now is finally time to right one of the ultimate feels-bad moments of FL – that investing the time and effort to build an uber-cool Zubmarine means that you lose out on optimal BDR.

For an exorbitant price, let me build a second boat, please – or simply upgrade the BDR on the Zub.

The second boat option would be nice, since it would allow you to create Zubmarine-required content on the zee floor. Yacht gang would then want a Zub for the zee floor ports, and Zub gang would want a Yacht for the max BDR.

Just do like Sunless Sea and give me a Zub upgrade to apply to whichever ship I have. :grin:
(Or, you know, think of something that doesn’t screw over the people that invested in a Zub while still allowing my Yacht to access underwater content)

Hey, I just noticed that the Majestic Pleasure Yacht has +55 Zailing Speed and +1 Luxurious. A sign of things to come, I’m sure!
edited by PJ on 5/25/2021

And the Zub has +1 Zubmersibility. While no guarantee of anything, they’ve at least opened the possibility of more ships with these characteristics. I don’t think Fallen London exactly supports the idea of stapling a new attribute to an existing item, but an upgraded Zuper-Zub is now feasible.

The only reason to have +1 Zubmersibility is so that you can require Zubmersibility without requiring a specific Zumbarine :grin:

See: Caprine Authority, which didn’t exist when there was only one Overgoat
edited by PJ on 5/25/2021

FL stated long time ago and probably multiple that times that decisions matter and should matter.

Having to pick for more BDR or speed or Zubmersibility is part of that.

I got mixed feelings about this (I’m a zubmariner myself).
Bringing the ships &quoton line&quot BDR-wise sounds somewhat fine, especially since you usually get the ship at a point in game where you don’t know that much about the importance of BDR and getting rid of a ship for a new one feels like a very awful grind.
But on the other hand, with the new ways of overcapping, there is much lesser need for high BDR. Right now I couldn’t recall a single reason why you should push your notability above 12. So the worst part, where every additional BDR point makes a real difference, is more of a prestige thing now.

You need a lot of BDR for Paramount Presence, Bone Market buyers and false identity construction.

Also

edited by Waterpls on 5/26/2021

Honestly, given all the trouble involved in getting the yacht, I don’t see any reason why the others should necessarily be equal to it in every respect. It’s pretty clearly the most valuable and prestigious option to go for, if you choose something else in spite of that then it’s up to you.

Although I’m a happy zubmariner, I’m against this proposition. I like FB’s stances about choices mattering. Besides, Judaspriester is 100% correct that BDR is rather devalued from its former position. So optimal BDR stats are nice to have these days, but nowhere near critical like they used to be to end-game play. So yeah, I don’t see the need to change the zub’s BDR.

Well, it would be cool to “upgrade” your boat. Adding crew, engines etc. similarly to how it works in SS (I can use this abriviation here since it applies to both games (^: ). I also think this would give an extra difference between the train-line and this so-called zeefarer expansion.

lastly Rachel, and Judaspreister makes great points. I understand that it feels unfair, alas FL is unfair.

Take care, also Yacht For Life!

Notability has been completely gutted of its usefulness anyway, so it seems like it’s not that impactful now.

BDR is still important in the Bone Market.

B/D/R (as individual values) are. BDR (the sum of all three) isn’t.

like xKiv already wrote, for the bone market, the sum is irelevant. So you &quotjust&quot have to arrange your other BDR items around your ship choice. So the impact is waaaaaaay lesser than before the overcap change, where this additonal point of BDR could mean a difference of 50+ cp MW.

Well, you are right, although the zub might be better for the market as its BDR is more easily reducible for visits to the Bohemian Sculptress. Especially as the Yacht adds R which is the only stat not often taken from the Lady in Lilac. I know this is rather fringe, but it would allow easier use of the bond market earlier.