Hello neathy World,
in case you were expecting anything else: the final message after reaching Defender of the Public Safety 21 goes without any direct item or object gains - as did SotC or Poet-Laureate.
https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/El%20Mar/19425574
Let´s see if there will be a statue to be erected any time soon.
Of, and for the final step 19->20, have a spare +30 dangerous hat available. 20->21 does not need any prerequisite except from DotPS 20.
Cheers. A statue along the railway is pretty much a given, I reckon. I wonder what the shadowy quality and related process will be.
I held onto the Mood of “Little Omen” for a year. [I get my impossible theorems by Laboratory.] THIS is what I spend it on?
Yeah, you need 1-3 moods on last stages. But generally it bad idea to hold mood card in hand, because it makes your flipping worse
edited by Waterpls on 8/20/2020
Statue confirmed at the Evenlode.
So, we have options of grinding 290 sharks or 58 bears, right? Or I’m missing something crucial?
[quote=Aro Saren]So, we have options of grinding 290 sharks or 58 bears, right? Or I’m missing something crucial?[/quote]You can get Estimable Trophies via the Upper River Artistry card in Ealing, up to four of them per level of Defender. It still works out to forty-something bears, but it’s still something. Plus you have to flip cards in Ealing to get the bear cards anyway, so might as well gain trophies during that time if you can.
Do I need Estimable Trophies to make the step from Defender of the Public Safety 20 to 21? The wiki indicates that the only thing one needs to make that final step is DotPS 20, and no Trophies.
Just want to make sure I understand right and have collected enough Trophies before I use my mood card for the final push!
edited by Ulysses Kingfisher on 9/4/2020
[quote=Ulysses Kingfisher]Do I need Estimable Trophies to make the step from Defender of the Public Safety 20 to 21? The wiki indicates that the only thing one needs to make that final step is DotPS 20, and no Trophies.
Just want to make sure I understand right and have collected enough Trophies before I use my mood card for the final push!
edited by Ulysses Kingfisher on 9/4/2020[/quote]
The wiki does indeed say that (and is usually right). It would also fit with the way Poet-Laureate works
edited by Asarta on 9/4/2020
I’m closer than I thought!
I have about 7-8 Defender, but it’s still capped at 4 for me. Huh?
It’s a cap at 4. I think idyl meant that at each level of defender, you can get 4 trophies from upper river artistry, but that’s not correct either - since trophies don’t reset to 0 (thankfully), you might start out near or above the upper river artistry cap immediately after going up a DoPS level anyway.
And now I have an opinion: it was a very stupid idea. Sadly, devs have quite a few of them as of late.
I don’t think it’s a stupid idea (let alone a very stupid idea), specifically because it’s just an added bonus to the card rather than the purpose of the card itself. Both offering the bohemians an escort and proposing a hunting expedition have a profit of at least 3 EpA, which is a very good turnout for a card, with the added benefit of giving a few estimable trophies if you don’t have many to begin with.
What I do think is kind of odd is the fact that the pinewood shark only provides 1 estimable trophy despite being one of the hardest hunts in Parabola. Either way, though, defender of public safety is probably the easiest late-game stat-related title to get. It took me roughly 6 days, and could take even less than that if you’re lucky. The loop of capturing the bear can take as few as 10 actions, which happened quite a few times for me, and even if you have to actively double-up your deck by traveling after a bad lot of drawing you’re still likely to fall within the 14-18 action range, especially if you manage your hand well and keep frequent cards on hold so they don’t constantly appear. This is a far cry from the absolute drain that is Scholar of the Correspondence or the nearly month long grind that is Poet-Laureate. It’s also much easier to grind the title casually, if you’re so inclined, compared to SoTC or Poet-Laureate. Since I gained the title I’ve amassed another 185 estimable trophies by occasionally hunting bears whenever I find myself in Ealing or Parabola.
Yeah, I don’t see why this is a “stupid idea”. Seems fine to me. On the easier side as far as “capstone” grinds go.
Eh, I must say this was a grind which I have least enjoyed in many years, and I’m saying that as someone who enjoyed both Bone Market and even the infamous Notability-dependent Hallowmas grindfests of few years past. The combination of Bear grinding being basically RNG-dependant AND having to draw cards in Ealing, and thus being deprived of the normal London deck and its assorted opportunities and general variability, made it extremely frustrating. Particularly on those days when I have flipped 20+ cards several times per day before finally running into the bloody Bearless Urchin.
I shudder to imagine how much more frustrating this will be when they do away with the deck-doubling mechanism; for this particular grind, at least, its use is almost necessary in order not to go nuts. Heck, even as it was now, I was so frustrated that I repeatedly used the Bear-Trap on the poor animal, even though I am generally a highly magnanimous and animal-friendly fellow.
I really think they should add some alternative (reasonably grindable) sources of Estimable Trophies, or at least upped the gain from Shark-hunting to 2 Trophies to make it at least a marginally competitive source. Or add another card that would allow you to start the Bear-grind into the proper London deck, so that you don’t have to be sitting in Ealing all the time.
edited by Sir Reginald Monteroy on 11/27/2020
They are not planning to remove card doubling. Only full card refresh from locations with infinite deck.
I can’t say that i enjoyed Beargrind, but it was not terrible. Poet-Laureate is 10 times worse.
[quote=Waterpls]They are not planning to remove card doubling. Only full card refresh from locations with infinite deck.
I can’t say that i enjoyed Beargrind, but it was not terrible. Poet-Laureate is 10 times worse.[/quote]
I seem to recall that the removal of card doubling was mentioned on the official Discord, but I could be remembering wrong.
[quote=Waterpls]They are not planning to remove card doubling. Only full card refresh from locations with infinite deck.
I can’t say that i enjoyed Beargrind, but it was not terrible. Poet-Laureate is 10 times worse.[/quote]
This precisely. Poet-Laureate felt like a bigger action sink despite having more controlled actions that resulted in me bullying one woman over and over again instead of actually writing because it felt like the most action efficient storylet not reliant on Favors (or well, flat Renown CP back in the day). Plus there was that whole convoluted sidequest where some old geezer tells you to ruin your reputation at court "just because" that wasn’t fully resolved for IRL years.
Meanwhile Beargrind was just pop into Parabola, test your might vs some hardcore Dangerous checks, maybe do some mirror/solacefruit-grinding stuff to tune up your Wounds/Nightmares and pop back over the Railway earning a pretty penny on the way. Less of a drag, and more bang for your buck.
[quote=Rachel ][quote=Waterpls]They are not planning to remove card doubling. Only full card refresh from locations with infinite deck.
I can’t say that i enjoyed Beargrind, but it was not terrible. Poet-Laureate is 10 times worse.[/quote]
I seem to recall that the removal of card doubling was mentioned on the official Discord, but I could be remembering wrong.[/quote]
This is indeed the case, unless it has been changed in the meantime (entirely possible, as I don’t actually follow Discord).
The relevant quotation was provided here: https://community.failbettergames.com/topic28173-upcoming-balance-changes-to-fallen-london.aspx?Page=1#post254255
It’s probably a matter of personal preference/quirks, but I preferred Poet-Laureate, exactly because I had basically complete control, and was not forced to exclusively draw cards in one location with a limited deck.
I agree that the Bear grind is more profitable and the Parabolan parts are fun, but the dependence on cards drawn in a quite limiting location made it much less appealing to me.
I’ve been doing the doubling/drawing almost nonstop for the last 5 days, when I needed to draw maybe 40 of the total 58 needed Bear cards to finish this before the doubling is gone, and by my calculations, I had to draw at least 450 cards to get there. Without the doubling, if you can expect to draw about 30 cards per day, it would take at least 15 days of drawing cards exclusively at Ealing, from a deck of heavily limited usefulness…