[quote=Akernis][quote=Anne Auclair][quote=Akernis]
My sole regret being that after making very sure not to pick the Anarchist’s final choice I still got those damn seven words that I hate to see more than any in Fallen London
"You have advanced the Liberation of Night."
Oh well, I will just have to replay the story when available again.[/quote]
How’d that happen?[/quote]
-snip-[/quote]
Oh, so the butterfly effect.
Spying on the Shadow reveals that Kaiser is aligned with the Judgments and a major piece in the Great Game. Some of the background class sedition conversation reveals that July has become active in Paris, which means the Revolutionaries are making some big plays on the Surface. From the glimpse of July some of us saw back in the Calendar Code, these efforts naturally involve undermining and overthrowing Surface governments. Overthrowing the government in Berlin removes a Judgment ally/Game piece and causes chaos, both which help July’s efforts and hence the Liberation by a small amount.
It’s best to keep the wider geopolitical picture in mind, nothing happens in a vacuum. edited by Anne Auclair on 12/25/2016
Unmasking the Visitor’s effect on the LoN is somewhat understandable, but I remain compounded by how, exactly, the Empress’ Shadow taking control of the Observatory advances the LoN. I see no hints of revolutionary overtones, and I doubt that the Shadow is so bad at managing an Observatory as to further its enemies’ cause.
I originally picked that ending because of my interest in the Observatory & the Kaiser’s astronomical shenanigans anyways, and am kinda disappointed that this choice for some obscure and mysterious reason furthers the LoN.
I haven’t started this story (yet!), but have a question:
What sort of impact is there in the story from playing Lost in Reflection? I’m asking because Lost in Reflection was the one ES which I havnen’t formally finished - instead I left it for a year and a half at the final choice (refusing to choose any of the options presented).
I’m trying to see if this new story is worth finishing Lost in Reflections.
Please PM me if the answer is too detailed for the forum. I don’t mind spoilers at all.
Ah, I see. Well at least that makes sense. I haven’t yet played Lost in Reflections so some of these subtle hints were lost on me. I’ll still redo it, but at least now I don’t feel cheated, which is always nice.
[quote=Vavakx Nonexus]Unmasking the Visitor’s effect on the LoN is somewhat understandable, but I remain compounded by how, exactly, the Empress’ Shadow taking control of the Observatory advances the LoN. I see no hints of revolutionary overtones, and I doubt that the Shadow is so bad at managing an Observatory as to further its enemies’ cause.
I originally picked that ending because of my interest in the Observatory & the Kaiser’s astronomical shenanigans anyways, and am kinda disappointed that this choice for some obscure and mysterious reason furthers the LoN.[/quote]
Consider what you learned from the surface visitor. It’s likely an "enemy of my enemy’s friend" kind of situation.
[quote=dov]I haven’t started this story (yet!), but have a question:
What sort of impact is there in the story from playing Lost in Reflection? I’m asking because Lost in Reflection was the one ES which I havnen’t formally finished - instead I left it for a year and a half at the final choice (refusing to choose any of the options presented).
I’m trying to see if this new story is worth finishing Lost in Reflections.
Please PM me if the answer is too detailed for the forum. I don’t mind spoilers at all.[/quote]
How far along are you? Still making decisions about July, or Paris?
[quote=Pnakotic][quote=Vavakx Nonexus]Unmasking the Visitor’s effect on the LoN is somewhat understandable, but I remain compounded by how, exactly, the Empress’ Shadow taking control of the Observatory advances the LoN. I see no hints of revolutionary overtones, and I doubt that the Shadow is so bad at managing an Observatory as to further its enemies’ cause.
I originally picked that ending because of my interest in the Observatory & the Kaiser’s astronomical shenanigans anyways, and am kinda disappointed that this choice for some obscure and mysterious reason furthers the LoN.[/quote]
Consider what you learned from the surface visitor. It’s likely an "enemy of my enemy’s friend" kind of situation.[/quote]
That really doesn’t make sense.The Shadow chooses to align herself with the Kaiser & his Observatory in this ending, and it is even stated that Berlin is resisting Revolutionary influence.
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There is literally nothing that can further the LoN coming from the Shadow and Berlin in this particular ending.
[quote=dov][quote=Pnakotic][quote=dov]I haven’t started this story (yet!), but have a question:
What sort of impact is there in the story from playing Lost in Reflection? [/quote]
How far along are you?[/quote]
I’m (supposedly) at the very last choice:
I need to decide what to do with the mirror - smash or keep or sell July’s location.
I suspect every ending is somewhat ambiguous; we are after all seeking to alter or shape events of one of many possible futures, and one which may be clouded by the manipulations of things behind the mirror. I can show you one possible outcome - it wasn’t an easy choice.
[quote=Pnakotic][quote=dov][quote=Pnakotic][quote=dov]I haven’t started this story (yet!), but have a question:
What sort of impact is there in the story from playing Lost in Reflection? [/quote]
How far along are you?[/quote]
I’m (supposedly) at the very last choice:[/quote]
I suspect every ending is somewhat ambiguous; we are after all seeking to alter or shape events of one of many possible futures, and one which may be clouded by the manipulations of things behind the mirror. I can show you one possible outcome - it wasn’t an easy choice.[/quote]
Thanks, but I wasn’t asking about the possible endings of Lost in Reflections. I know those endings and have purposely chosen (until now) not to pick any of them.
My question was: How much of an impact is there in the new The Empress’ Shadow story by having played Lost in Reflection to its end? I’m trying to figure out if it’s worth it to complete Lost in Reflection before playing The Empress’ Shadow.
[quote=Vavakx Nonexus][quote=Pnakotic][quote=Vavakx Nonexus]Unmasking the Visitor’s effect on the LoN is somewhat understandable, but I remain compounded by how, exactly, the Empress’ Shadow taking control of the Observatory advances the LoN. I see no hints of revolutionary overtones, and I doubt that the Shadow is so bad at managing an Observatory as to further its enemies’ cause.
I originally picked that ending because of my interest in the Observatory & the Kaiser’s astronomical shenanigans anyways, and am kinda disappointed that this choice for some obscure and mysterious reason furthers the LoN.[/quote]
Consider what you learned from the surface visitor. It’s likely an "enemy of my enemy’s friend" kind of situation.[/quote]
That really doesn’t make sense.The Shadow chooses to align herself with the Kaiser & his Observatory in this ending, and it is even stated that Berlin is resisting Revolutionary influence.
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There is literally nothing that can further the LoN coming from the Shadow and Berlin in this particular ending.[/quote]
Hmmm. I’d been looking at someone else’s echo before. My only thought is that driving the wedge between London and Berlin in some way minorly benefits the revolutionaries by preventing any collusion between Mr. Wines and the Empress’ Shadow. (Which in turn buys them more time to scheme and labour on their Great Work without imminent risk of being introduced to the underpipes.)
[quote=dov][quote=Pnakotic][quote=dov][quote=Pnakotic][quote=dov]I haven’t started this story (yet!), but have a question:
What sort of impact is there in the story from playing Lost in Reflection? [/quote]
How far along are you?[/quote]
I’m (supposedly) at the very last choice:[/quote]
I suspect every ending is somewhat ambiguous; we are after all seeking to alter or shape events of one of many possible futures, and one which may be clouded by the manipulations of things behind the mirror. I can show you one possible outcome - it wasn’t an easy choice.[/quote]
Thanks, but I wasn’t asking about the possible endings of Lost in Reflections. I know those endings and have purposely chosen (until now) not to pick any of them.
My question was: How much of an impact is there in the new The Empress’ Shadow story by having played Lost in Reflection to its end? I’m trying to figure out if it’s worth it to complete Lost in Reflection before playing The Empress’ Shadow.[/quote]
It unlocks a storylet for the Surface Visitor via the dream of Paris. Not much more, that I can recall.
[quote=dov]
My question was: How much of an impact is there in the new The Empress’ Shadow story by having played Lost in Reflection to its end? I’m trying to figure out if it’s worth it to complete Lost in Reflection before playing The Empress’ Shadow.[/quote]
Minimal.
It is just "Oh I have an inkling of Paris with July so I can ask the Surface Visitor about it instead of giving her an exam", which, like other ES bonus option, is just swapping a 50% chance of Favours for guaranteed minor material gains.
You do need July with her mirror, though. Storywise, it give you some updates on Paris but it doesn’t unlock or impact anything.
Edit: Additionally, the Surface Visitor’s "secret" is mandatory and you cannot miss it - as you always need the Officer and the Visitor for the third batch of students. edited by Estelle Knoht on 12/25/2016
We have a bit of confusion here, don’t we?
The Foreign Officer both sings (Face) and stocks candle for a midnight snack (Teeth). Did I get that right?
Also, never quite understood why the Teeth are Teeth and not Face… You know… because of the SPOILER etc. (Yes, that part of the Foreign Office is Fate Locked. So use the proper cutlery when discussing this). edited by Gonen on 12/25/2016
[quote=Vavakx Nonexus][quote=Pnakotic][quote=Vavakx Nonexus]Unmasking the Visitor’s effect on the LoN is somewhat understandable, but I remain compounded by how, exactly, the Empress’ Shadow taking control of the Observatory advances the LoN. I see no hints of revolutionary overtones, and I doubt that the Shadow is so bad at managing an Observatory as to further its enemies’ cause.
I originally picked that ending because of my interest in the Observatory & the Kaiser’s astronomical shenanigans anyways, and am kinda disappointed that this choice for some obscure and mysterious reason furthers the LoN.[/quote]
Consider what you learned from the surface visitor. It’s likely an "enemy of my enemy’s friend" kind of situation.[/quote]
That really doesn’t make sense.The Shadow chooses to align herself with the Kaiser & his Observatory in this ending, and it is even stated that Berlin is resisting Revolutionary influence.
[/i]
There is literally nothing that can further the LoN coming from the Shadow and Berlin in this particular ending.[/quote]
Revolutionary and British Influences suppressed? Didn’t a British Empress-Dowager, with the help of a certain British finishing school and the British Foreign Office, just topple the intensely anti-British Kaiser? Those headlines are clearly propaganda, a British aligned coup portraying itself as anti-British (which I suppose it is if by Britain you really mean the Masters and the Royal Family). So, about those Revolutionary influences…
[quote=Anne Auclair][quote=Vavakx Nonexus][quote=Pnakotic][quote=Vavakx Nonexus]Unmasking the Visitor’s effect on the LoN is somewhat understandable, but I remain compounded by how, exactly, the Empress’ Shadow taking control of the Observatory advances the LoN. I see no hints of revolutionary overtones, and I doubt that the Shadow is so bad at managing an Observatory as to further its enemies’ cause.
I originally picked that ending because of my interest in the Observatory & the Kaiser’s astronomical shenanigans anyways, and am kinda disappointed that this choice for some obscure and mysterious reason furthers the LoN.[/quote]
Consider what you learned from the surface visitor. It’s likely an "enemy of my enemy’s friend" kind of situation.[/quote]
That really doesn’t make sense.The Shadow chooses to align herself with the Kaiser & his Observatory in this ending, and it is even stated that Berlin is resisting Revolutionary influence.
[/i]
There is literally nothing that can further the LoN coming from the Shadow and Berlin in this particular ending.[/quote]
Revolutionary and British Influences suppressed? Didn’t a British Empress-Dowager, with the help of a certain British finishing school and the British Foreign Office, just topple the intensely anti-British Kaiser? Those headlines are clearly propaganda, a British aligned coup portraying itself as anti-British (which I suppose it is if by Britain you really mean the Masters and the Royal Family). So, about those Revolutionary influences…[/quote]
Topple isn’t the word I’d use. The game refers to this ending as ‘equipping the Empress’ Shadow to buy back her son’s favour’. It is fairly clear that the Kaiser still remains on top, and the Shadow has only gained enough power to take a foothold in her son’s court, not take over the entire country as in another ending.
[quote=Vavakx Nonexus][quote=Anne Auclair][quote=Vavakx Nonexus][quote=Pnakotic][quote=Vavakx Nonexus]Unmasking the Visitor’s effect on the LoN is somewhat understandable, but I remain compounded by how, exactly, the Empress’ Shadow taking control of the Observatory advances the LoN. I see no hints of revolutionary overtones, and I doubt that the Shadow is so bad at managing an Observatory as to further its enemies’ cause.
I originally picked that ending because of my interest in the Observatory & the Kaiser’s astronomical shenanigans anyways, and am kinda disappointed that this choice for some obscure and mysterious reason furthers the LoN.[/quote]
Consider what you learned from the surface visitor. It’s likely an "enemy of my enemy’s friend" kind of situation.[/quote]
That really doesn’t make sense.The Shadow chooses to align herself with the Kaiser & his Observatory in this ending, and it is even stated that Berlin is resisting Revolutionary influence.
[/i]
There is literally nothing that can further the LoN coming from the Shadow and Berlin in this particular ending.[/quote]
Revolutionary and British Influences suppressed? Didn’t a British Empress-Dowager, with the help of a certain British finishing school and the British Foreign Office, just topple the intensely anti-British Kaiser? Those headlines are clearly propaganda, a British aligned coup portraying itself as anti-British (which I suppose it is if by Britain you really mean the Masters and the Royal Family). So, about those Revolutionary influences…[/quote]
Topple isn’t the word I’d use. The game refers to this ending as ‘equipping the Empress’ Shadow to buy back her son’s favour’. It is fairly clear that the Kaiser still remains on top, and the Shadow has only gained enough power to take a foothold in her son’s court, not take over the entire country as in another ending.[/quote]
Oh, I thought you were talking about the ending with the coup.
One possibility is that the Shadow uses the observatory in ways that align with the Revolutionaries? She doesn’t seem a particularly trustworthy or honorable lady. She’s willing to make deals with Anarchists and Masters at the expense of her former home and her adopted country. So maybe putting her in charge of the Observatory was not actually the best idea as her schemes end up helping the Liberation?
Another possibility is that it’s just a minor bug and FL will straighten it out next week. edited by Anne Auclair on 12/25/2016
[quote=Gonen]We have a bit of confusion here, don’t we?
The Foreign Officer both sings (Face) and stocks candle for a midnight snack (Teeth). Did I get that right?[/quote]
She took candles, but I’m not sure she meant to eat them herself - candles can be used as currency, and for spies in proximity to the Teeth I expect they’d be more valuable than normal. And there is a mention of unidentifiable meat in another result, if the Officer is present.
