see anne, this is why i love you. the next election won’t be for almost a year, and i’m already primed and ready to fight you (just kidding i swear). in my view, the difference is between jenny’s "let’s provide people with help first, worry about reforming them later (or never)" and DTC’s "let’s reform people first so they deserve the help we provide them".
it’s not an unreasonable approach, but me, myself, being an utterly tender and delicate person that i am; I much prefer jenny’s approach here. DTC shows to me the worst face of the temperance movement; the judging face, getting too much inspiration from that one "jesus cleansing the temple" scene from the bible.
personally I think she’d be a balance between them, which would be the most interesting option; constantly getting pulled either in jenny’s or DTC’s direction, it’s just a situation primed for delicious conflict. The widow’s a saint, she is (letting a confirmed decadent duellist honeypot cannibal deathtrap crash on her couch after I lost my lodgings to seeking more than proves that) but neither as forgiving and ready to party with fellow sinners as jenny (indeed, she doesn’t seem to see the sinners as "fellow"), nor as stern and uncompromising as DTC.
It’s more that he disagrees with the Council’s consensus, but subordinates himself to the Council’s discipline. Given what happened to March when the Council judged him unreliable, the Contrarian’s subordination is no doubt a necessity for staying alive.
I would totally back the Contrarian. In a heartbeat. Last time I didn’t think he could get anything done. I’ve learned there’s far more to him than merely a fight. <3
I think the widow could run on a platform of a home for every heart. And if she could find the generosity to include rubberies, rats, and rocks, then she’d have my backing 9001%. Like…I’d go and get my notability up, just for her. I dunno if I’d do that for anyone else. It’s such a PAIN. muffled sobbing
[quote=gronostaj] snip[/quote] I agree completely about Jenny and DTC. Personally I’d rather take charity from someone who respected my decisions and sought only to ease my suffering, as opposed to someone who saw me as a wayward child to be brought to heel. Not to mention the, charitably, naivete of the DTC’s plan.
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personally I think she’d be a balance between them, which would be the most interesting option; constantly getting pulled either in jenny’s or DTC’s direction, it’s just a situation primed for delicious conflict. The widow’s a saint, she is (letting a confirmed decadent duellist honeypot cannibal deathtrap crash on her couch after I lost my lodgings to seeking more than proves that) but neither as forgiving and ready to party with fellow sinners as jenny (indeed, she doesn’t seem to see the sinners as "fellow"), nor as stern and uncompromising as DTC.[/quote]
This is not saying I don’t think she’d be a good candidate, or even a good mayor, but I could not in good conscience vote for the SHW. I believe she would hate the role (if she is capable of hate, like you said, she’s a saint) more the Feducci does. The compromises she would have to make would break her heart, not to mention the sense of responsibility she would feel now that she has taken every Londoner as her ward; the guilt she felt about ‘failing’ just one of her many lodgers breaks my heart, I don’t want to think about her feelings regarding the multitudes she could do nothing for.
D’you know, we’ve had a few candidates who’ve wanted to do something for the needy… but none who were the needy. That is, even our revolutionary candidates have been quite well-heeled sorts. Is there a possibility of a labourist voice in a London election?
This would be very interesting. I mean, the reasons for there not being are fairly obvious, in that only the rich and powerful have traditionally had the influence to even consider the possibility. But as history as shown, that is not necessarily a unassailable goal. Admittedly, FL does seem to do a better job of crushing unionist sentiment than it’s historical counterpart, chasing advocates to the Flit or just disappearing them. I’m trying to think of a character who might fit the bill, but the working class seem under-represented (though I’m sure someone will point out a half dozen to prove me wrong). You have a few underclass destitutes, and down on there luck bohemians but few named characters struggling to stay above the breadline. With the influence of Victorian literature this makes sense, but it would be nice to put a face to this section of society; the election has already proven great for this.
As to who might run, someone from the docks seems a good bet. Perhaps some one on the Docks Favours track? They’d have an appeal to players who identify as zailors too that way. Any NPC along these lines stand out to anybody?
oh, absolutely. i love her, which means, as with every fictional character i love, i want to see her struggling with difficult choices and being confronted with suffering because i’m a demon who lives for drama
Oh, you are so not kidding :P Which is why I love you too ^_^
[quote=gronostaj]in my view, the difference is between jenny’s "let’s provide people with help first, worry about reforming them later (or never)" and DTC’s "let’s reform people first so they deserve the help we provide them".
it’s not an unreasonable approach, but me, myself, being an utterly tender and delicate person that i am; I much prefer jenny’s approach here. DTC shows to me the worst face of the temperance movement; the judging face, getting too much inspiration from that one "jesus cleansing the temple" scene from the bible.[/quote]
The DTC’s position wasn’t that people need to be made deserving. It was more that if people were homeless you had to treat the underlying conditions. A bed in a gin parlor is better than nothing, but it wouldn’t do that much to help someone who became homeless because of alcoholism, would it? The symptom is being treated while the disease is being exuberated. Providing houses of healing on the other hand treats the symptom and the disease at the same time (that’s the theory anyway). Similarly, cracking down on the exploitative slumlords who are making people poor and homeless is a direct strike at the social sickness, not the symptom.
So the DTC’s approach, where homelessness and poverty were concerned, was much more ambitious than Jenny’s, especially when you take into account that Jenny directed a lot of the resources to her Bohemian supporters.
personally I think she’d be a balance between them, which would be the most interesting option; constantly getting pulled either in jenny’s or DTC’s direction, it’s just a situation primed for delicious conflict. The widow’s a saint, she is (letting a confirmed decadent duellist honeypot cannibal deathtrap crash on her couch after I lost my lodgings to seeking more than proves that) but neither as forgiving and ready to party with fellow sinners as jenny (indeed, she doesn’t seem to see the sinners as "fellow"), nor as stern and uncompromising as DTC.[/quote][/quote]
Oh, the Soft-Hearted Widow takes in Seekers? I did not know that!
of course i’m not kidding i just said that so sir friderick doesn’t trim our rivalmance before it has a chance to fully bloom
if only it were that simple. the "houses of healing" have a distinct problem of taking away agency of people commited to them. it’s a discourse as old as time; if a homeless person asks you for money, do you give them cash, knowing they’re likely to spend it on alcohol but respecting that they’re an adult and it’s their right to make wrong choices at their leisure, or do you buy them groceries instead of handing out cash, making a healthier choice- but making that choice for them?
And what if some percentage of suffering londoners won’t want to recover and return to being productive members of society (bohemians for example); would the DTC force them into healing homes? would she ignore them and focus on those who are prepared to adhere to her standards of recovery as well as moral standards?
The situation with the once-outgoing tomb-colonist shows clearly that she does make moral judgements, and harsh ones at that. She’s uncompromising. and it’s often the people who she would deem irredeemable that need help the most. Help that jenny provides without judging or placing expectactions upon people she’s helping.
it’s so sweet of her, isn’t it? i lost all my homes; my premises at the bazaar obviously went, the bouncers at brass embassy didn’t recognize me, the key to my dear old townhouse no longer fit the lock, and most tragically, i couldn’t find the way in the dark to my cosy little cellar in new newgate, where i could’ve holed up unbothered by the visits of london’s most persistent villain, the struggling artist.
so i eyelash-fluttered my way into the soft-hearted widow’s spare bedroom, and she even apparently cooks as well, even if seekers would consider her meats overdone. if only she wasn’t so much into hymn-singing at truly inhumane hours of the morning…-
i genuinely want to see these three interacting. if not in mayoral-related setting (although the three characters would be perfect for that), then at least in some off-handed side-storyline or even a mention somewhere. The drama potential is through the roof.
It freaked out… Sorry. So, I would recommend the Honey-Addled Detective because he gets almost no praise for all he does. Another one could be, for example, The Cheery Man, backed by criminals and dockers, or someone posing as Mr Eaten, which would be an interesting story element
The Last Constable:
Fallen London is riddled with crime, I feel The Last Constable would try to reach a higher position in order to crack down on crime.
[quote=Sir_Incognito]The Last Constable:
Fallen London is riddled with crime, I feel The Last Constable would try to reach a higher position in order to crack down on crime.[/quote]
Hmmmm. Not really an option, I’m afraid.
As much as I love the Honey-addled Detective, I think for mayor you need a certain goal or ambition, something that you’d fight for. I don’t see him having one, and to manage London with the honey habit and without a definite goal he is passionate with will only make it difficult for him. One day, perhaps, we will interact with him that can make things better, but I say pass him as a candidate for his own sake.
I think the only sensible option would be for Colonel whatsherface from the urchins (obviously disguised in a long coat sitting on the shoulders of another urchin or two). Or the tiger keeper, but then that might ruin the suprise for newcomers re: labyrinth. Or what about Jack? That would be interesting :)
[quote=Televangelist]The Turkish Girl, because I find her charming from the little content we have, and as a Shroom-Hopping Champion and low-born newcomer to the social circuit it’d be interesting to have an athlete/celebrity combo, perhaps with a backstory that could be fleshed out in greater detail, making her a blank canvas for whatever deeper mysteries your storytellers come up with… And after the Season of Stones, I could see her humble beginnings being a political selling point.
I also think it’s high time we saw the Widow stand for election. As with Feducci, there’s much more to her than meets the eye, but there’s less content – particularly new content – devoted to plumbing her very interesting character. edited by Televangelist on 7/26/2017[/quote]
Seconded. Also, the Turkish Girl is from a foreign Surface nation. I feel like this could make the Great Game influential in London politics.
Think about it – the Turkish Girl is, by all accounts, a lower-class illiterate; but has enough recognition in Society to regularly attend galas. She is popular among the working classes, and has connections in the ruling classes. She would be a fine piece in the Game, especially considering Sultan Abdulhamid II’s reform of the Ottoman intelligence agencies and his determination to make Turkey a great power once again – at any cost.
I’d vote for her. My username is entirely irrelevant, I swear.