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In Search of A Paramount Presence

Shadowhand Posts: 197 12/17/2014	The elusive "Paramount Presence" quality has been my obsession for a while, now, and there still seems to be no definitive answer whether it does or doesn't currently exist. Some previous requirement ideas have been: All stats capped Nobility capped Various replayable storylet qualities capped (SoTC, Fearsome Duelist, Master Thief, etc.) Would be interested in hearing from anyone on the same search as I am on, and to what extent they can confirm that raising these qualities to inordinate heights has not yielded anything out of the ordinary...or if you have any other speculations. From where I stand, Nobility and stat caps are obviously not it / not enough. Of course, if it turns out that the quality can only be obtained by someone who is not already a Shattering Force, Invisible Eminence, etc., that narrows our candidates down even further. edited by Shadowhand on 12/17/2014 -- Twitter: @mortshadow - Fallen London: Shadowhand Benjamin Gabbay, a silly and crafty individual of mysterious and indistinct intentions
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dov Posts: 2580 8/6/2017	Gergerous wrote: dov wrote: Currently there's no way to change your POSI specialization once chosen (though FBG have hinted a long time ago that this should be made possible some time in the future). Actually, this is no longer true Of course. But you're quoting/replying to a two-month old discussion, and back then it wasn't possible. -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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Arlong Posts: 27 1/24/2016	dov wrote: the truthseeker wrote: I'm not sure what I could add to the table not already done, but if somebody figures out something not tested, I'll be glad to try it out...for Science! Getting the Heptagoat drunk on Cider. (If it doesn't work, you probably need 7 of each). So seven Heptagoats drunk on cider? Or seven Heptagoats drunk on Heptaridean cider? Or seven Heptagoats each drunk on seven Heptaridean cider? (At this point I'd imagine Eaten dramatically jumping out from the grave and personally throwing you into the Royal Beth) edited by Arlong on 1/25/2016 -- Arlong, the original, main, and default. Varanasi, an Invisible Eminence who desires the magnificent treasures of the South. Ingolstadt, an Extraordinary Mind who yearns the ultimate secrets of the North. Reykjavik, a Persuasive lotus-eater who craves the greatest delights of the West. Malacca, a Dangerous swashbuckler who seeks the grand adventures of the East.
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Rupho Schartenhauer Posts: 787 12/17/2014	Shadowhand wrote: Catherine Raymond wrote: Sara Hysaro wrote: Have you tried capping your Acquaintance level? It might be one of the requirements. I think FBG has said that the ability to become a Paramount Presence is not yet available but will eventually be implemented. I'll go look for that thread. I remember asking the question on a thread a while back, but the answer came something along the lines of "we neither agree nor disagree." This was it: Flyte wrote: lady ciel wrote: Very Interesting Flyte. Can I ask if Alexis has given you a hint as to whether or not it is possible to become a Paramount Presence yet? You may. He has told me nothing; I know anyway; and having given it some thought, there are sound policy reasons to remain silent on the matter. edited by Rupho Schartenhauer on 12/17/2014 -- Rupho Schartenhauer has killed a Master, well: most of it. Cortez the Killer has killed a Master, definitely. Deepdelver has become the progenitor of London's brightest star. It's... complicated. Dr. Kvirkvelia, gone NORTH on 23/12/1894.
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NiteBrite Posts: 1019 12/22/2014	I'm working very hard on the no-man option. I just finished grinding 20x tears of the bazaar and 4x pails of lacre. I'm going to try and grind maybe 5 more before the end If I can. I'm hoping this will be enough but it all comes down to whether time the healer and the RNG feel merciful this year or not. But rest assured, I plan to do everything I can to ensure SnowBrite and the Seven Candles live to see FoTER. Alas if only my no-man could share the perks of being a Hesperidean. Edit: Has anyone tried getting a specialization and then reducing their stats to zero? That would be kind of funny (if very unlikely) if it were the way to unlock paramount presence. edited by NiteBrite on 12/22/2014 -- I AM currently accepting calling cards. Stats loss counter: reset, irrigo equivalent: none [00:34] <@ortab> NiteBrite's laugh is that of a condemned soul gazing into the abyss. Merciless Modiste avatar by Paul Arendt (based on an original image by Joe England) http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/TheBriteModiste
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Nigel Overstreet Posts: 1220 12/20/2014	Frensus wrote: Which won't stop me from trying, ...don't stop searching! Of course not. Surrender is never an option. We're Londoners. We carry on. -- The Romantic Egotist: Most Hedonistic Man in All of Fallen London Are you or someone you know Overgoated? Please, let me know! Cider Club
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dov Posts: 2580 1/24/2016	the truthseeker wrote: I'm not sure what I could add to the table not already done, but if somebody figures out something not tested, I'll be glad to try it out...for Science! Getting the Heptagoat drunk on Cider. (If it doesn't work, you probably need 7 of each). -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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The Dark Gentleman Posts: 188 7/15/2015	When people started guessing the Latin-derived word for north was septentrion, I assumed it was an obscure reference to a previously favored author, Jack Vance. As the word 'septentrion' is used in Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun as part of the title for the palace guards, and said book was an homage to the style and setting of Jack Vance's Dying Earth series. Perhaps Alexis has ACTUALLY driven me insane looking for connections where none exist... If you'll excuse me, I must go re-read every piece of literature ever and see if there are any hitherto unnoticed cross-references that I can use as access codes... And sew a tiny fez for my cat, as a constant reminder of what is at stake... -- The Dark Gentleman~ Social actions welcome. Menace reductions upon request. Newspaper interviews by appointment. Falconry by invitation only. "THE HOURS FEAR THE NAMES. THE NAMES FEAR THE LONG. THE LONG FEAR THE KNOW. ALL FEAR THE HOURS."
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Frensus Posts: 102 12/17/2014	Found it! Or at least confirmation that it is more than likely implemented. Alexis indicated that there is a line and people were progressing along it back at the beginning of this year. People in the topic were focused more on Passion, a bit of enigma, and words for north that aren't 'boreal' than PP, so they completely ignored this one line I have taken as confirmation of it being implemented since I found that topic while hunting for any clues I could find. Alexis Kennedy wrote: an_ocelot wrote: You are _so_ evil. /admiring That's very sweet of you but I'm honestly trying to be helpful. Summary! - two people are one step away from Passion, and might yet achieve it before the lacre all dries up and the Destinies close - various people are at various stages of the Paramount Presence line - Ambition: Enigma has a scheduled update (<--this is true) - 2,946 people have Acquaintance: Heptagoat - there's a Latin-derived word for 'North' that isn't 'boreal' -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Frensus Currently targeting: NiteBrite's Fabulous Diamond Diversion (1/50), Breath of the Void (3184/3200)
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Gonen Posts: 817 2/17/2016	Am I the only one whose heart skip a beat when this topic comes up? I always think for a moment: "OH! Someone found it!" edited by Gonen on 2/17/2016 -- The Ashen Anesthesiologist - Paramount Londoner Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness. The long journey to eccentricity: On March 10th, 2018, reached 15 on all quirks, simultaneously. The Quirky Anesthesiologist
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suinicide Posts: 2409 3/26/2017	I don't think passion is a requirement, they were just some unknown things at the same time. Honestly the consensus seems to be that paramount presence isn't even in the game. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/profile/sunnytime A gentleman seeking the liberation of knowledge, with a penchant for violence. RIP suinicide, stuck in a well. Still has it under control.
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Theus Posts: 311 6/3/2016	I think we have overlooked something quite simple. Many people have speculated about high stats without specializing, and that has not panned out. My thoughts: One (or all) stats at 200 before becoming a PoSI, maybe even before becoming a PoSLS. The hidden branch(es) would be on the initial Ambitious Barrister cards, perhaps where she takes you around to the four areas to test your stats. If 100, you move on. If 200, you get something like Paramount Dangerous. The good policy reason for not telling us is because the ability to drop your PoSI status is not yet implemented, and would cause great gnashing/wailing. It's an idea I don't think anyone has yet explored. Apologies for any gnashing/wailing this may provoke. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Hefty~Harrison
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Estelle Knoht Posts: 1751 12/22/2014	Shadowhand wrote: It also just occurred to me that the "second-tier" PoSI qualities don't involve the Barrister at all, do they? They don't. The imagery of her telling people to run from you because you are so dangerous is hilarious though. -- Estelle Knoht, a juvenile, unreliable and respectable lady. I currently do not accept any catbox, cider, suppers, calling cards or proteges.
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WormApotheote Posts: 725 3/21/2015	Cotton Dee wrote: For reference's sake, another word for North (not boreal) is Septentrion. Alexis' post references this, the Heptagoat ( 7 again) and Paramount Presence. My going theory is that the re-implementation of SMEN will eventually open up the required storylet to unlock Paramount Presence That seems completely contrary to the point of SMEN though. -- No, I don't pull the Eater of Names.
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Estelle Knoht Posts: 1751 7/6/2015	Brad O'Connell wrote: Well, I've almost got all my connections up to their top titles: The Masters of the Bazaar-9-There may be indiscretions The Widow-50-Recognized Benthic-100-Considered Distinguished The Docks-101-Never Buy Your Own Drinks The Tomb-Colonies-103-Famed Among Summerset-113-Considered Distinguished Urchins-150-One of Us The Duchess-150-Quite exceptional! Hell-150-Hell's Crony The Great Game-151-A Power in the Shadows Revolutionaries-151-A Demagogue Rubbery Men-152-Amberine Criminals-153-One of Us Constables-158-One of Us Bohemian-201-A Notorious Wonder of the Age The Church-233-Approved Society-325-Famed Only Benthic and Summerset need to be higher (150). If that's actually the unlock, the question becomes where to look. Actually, what I'm really curious about is, assuming that is part of the unlock, whether one of the stat specializations is required as well. I don't suppose anyone who does have a specialization is near that level of connections? Legendary Charisma here. Just need to get Great Game up and that is a pain in the neck. The Masters of the Bazaar -9- There may be indiscretions The Widow -61- Recognized Benthic -154- Profoundly Admired The Docks -121- Never Buy Your Own Drinks The Tomb-Colonies -136- Famed Among Summerset -163- Profoundly Admired Urchins -166- One of Us The Duchess -151- Quite exceptional! Hell -164- Hell's Crony The Great Game -135- Manipulating Revolutionaries -151- A Demagogue Rubbery Men -155- Amberine Criminals -151- One of Us Constables -170- One of Us Bohemian- 388- A Notorious Wonder of the Age The Church -185- Approved Society -500- Famed edited by Estelle Knoht on 7/6/2015 -- Estelle Knoht, a juvenile, unreliable and respectable lady. I currently do not accept any catbox, cider, suppers, calling cards or proteges.
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NiteBrite Posts: 1019 1/18/2016	If we are throwing around rumors of hidden branches, I may as well toss this one out there "I remember back, way back when I was just starting out in Fallen London and I didn’t know much about the game there was an old rumor about a near impossible goal. Twenty-five magnificent diamonds get you a Fabulous diamond, but what do you imagine 50 fabulous diamonds would create? The speculation back then was that a player who achieved this ludicrous goal would not get an even bigger diamond; no, something far better awaited them. We used to tell tales of the crystal lodgings, an expanded hand lodgings carved out of a stone the size of a small house. To date, no one has ever achieved 50 fabulous diamonds. Part of it is due to the rarity of obtaining magnificent diamonds in the first place, but the real show stopper is the high fate cost associated with this endeavor. Converting 25 magnificent diamonds into a single fabulous diamond takes 40 fate, making the total cost of 50 fabulous diamonds made this way roughly $360. Of course that was back then, before it was possible to sell a PoSI soul in exchange for a fabulous diamond. By repeatedly selling and finding your soul, you could get to 50 fabulous diamonds while avoiding most of the fate costs. Of course, as someone with a stained and enhanced soul I can’t sell my soul not even on hallowmas, so I’m blocked from this grind. Someone who set their mind to it could maybe grind these diamonds out in a year or possibly a little more. And yet no one ever has, and so the rumor of the crystal lodgings lives on, unchallenged, untested, looming over us all as one of the oldest community myths." The interesting thing here is that the change to allow PoSI souls to be sold for Fab diamonds was released around the same time as when the existence of the Paramount Presence was announced. Coincidence? Only you can decide >:-) edited by NiteBrite on 1/18/2016 -- I AM currently accepting calling cards. Stats loss counter: reset, irrigo equivalent: none [00:34] <@ortab> NiteBrite's laugh is that of a condemned soul gazing into the abyss. Merciless Modiste avatar by Paul Arendt (based on an original image by Joe England) http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/TheBriteModiste
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PStrange Posts: 18 7/15/2015	Alexis Kennedy wrote: Some of our fanciest words (caliginous e.g.) are Latin-derived, so some Romance language speakers may have an easier time with them. This was in direct response to the Paramount Presense Question. A thought that occurred to me that doesn't seem to have come up (in this thread at least): maybe the name is the clue? Paramount, as in "beside the mountain", would suggest either Mt Nomad or, more likely in my opinion, the Mountain of Light as a relevant point of interest. The Garden could be said to be paramount, in more than one sense, and there are already storylines which imply greater exploration in that direction could be possible, His Amused Lordship et al for example. If there is anything to this, anything else with ties to the Elder continent may be involved too: Hesperidean Cider, obviously, and Mr Feducci/The Black Ribbon come to mind. There are a lot of breadcrumbs leading North - the dreams, a Certain Mr Somebody's moniker, I'm sure at least a few other things I, in my relative inexperience with the Neath, have missed - but relatively few leading South. It would make sense from both the narrative "flesh out the world" perspective and the games-design "Don't have all your hard-to-find, high-tier content-eggs in one basket" perspective for there to be something drawing focus in the other direction. I'll also point out that the thread linked got all excited about the North due to this post, which was a general summary of the state of things, not a direct statement about PP. I can't really see Mr Kennedy dropping a cryptic, but probably relevant hint, then a few moments later just going "Whatever, just head North, yo." Seems much more likely this was a cunning bit of logical legerdemain to segue to other matters - the rest of the thread was all about Passion/SMEN, after all - and keep the genu-wine, 100% solid gold clue from drawing too much focus. (No disrespect intended, Alexis, but I get the impression your mind is as devious and labyrinthine as a Machiavelli portrait by M.C. Escher). So, yeah, not me saying I Know, or anything. Just some food for thought for those better placed to do something about it. Best of luck, y'all, and remember THE NAME IS THE CLUE! HEAD SOUTH! HEAD SOUTH! HEAD S- is forcefully bundled into a waiting Hansom by a pack of grim-faced Neddymen
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Ian Hart Posts: 437 2/10/2016	Well, now that divorce is possible, someone could collect 7 letters from the queen... -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Antifinity
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Frensus Posts: 102 12/20/2014	Nigel Overstreet wrote: I caved last year to get a 5 card lodging, but I would have liked to experimented with this. I've got everything from 10 in all Newspaper Accomplishments to 21 SotC to maxed Connections. I should have given it a go. Maybe it's something to do with Bizarre, Dreaded and Respectable? If you have 10 in all of them at once or something? Then again, it could literally be anything, so there's not a lot of point in speculation. It could require an access code. It could require a Gilded Crustacean, a Rubbery Conspirator, an Apple of Discord, Hesperidian Cider and a Heptagoat. Right now, all we know is it's possible, it's hidden and it could be anything. Which won't stop me from trying, all the harder because most, if not all players best equipped to figure it out almost certainly can't because they are locked into their specialization. Granted there is the possibility that it requires one of the specializations, and is an advancement beyond them, but that seems unlikely given how absurd the requirements would have to be to elude all the top players for the whole year. It's still possible though, don't stop searching! -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Frensus Currently targeting: NiteBrite's Fabulous Diamond Diversion (1/50), Breath of the Void (3184/3200)
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NathanielSterben Posts: 36 1/25/2016	has anyone checked the dates with the development of the silver tree? is it possible that PP requires metaqualities? while this is probably just some more wild speculation it would be good to find if there is method in my madness -- My metaphysical interpretation in the neath: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/NathanielSPACESYMBOLSterben
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Optimatum Posts: 3666 1/21/2016	metasynthie wrote: I thought it only let you boost Austere and Hedonist very high? Or do you mean the Hardened / Softened Fate options? Those cap at 10 now -- did they use to let you boost quirks much higher? More generally -- one thing I'd keep in mind is that even though players were said to be "on the path" to Paramount Presence, it wasn't necessarily ever implemented. It might involve some qualities that existed at that point (which would make sense for "on the path") but the actual requirement could involve qualities (or caps) that have been implemented since, or that are yet to be implemented. When quirks were first introduced there was no cap on any option, hence how some players from days of yore have quirks over 100. The Iron Republic was simply good at increasing many quirks fast. One common theory for Paramount Presence is that it will be obtained by completing your ambition. As such, most players are on the path to varying degrees but cannot reach the destination yet. (I say most players because there exist occasional souls like a friend of mine who hasn't chosen an Ambition despite playing for almost two years.) edited by Optimatum on 1/21/2016 -- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome. Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi! PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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Kade Carrion (an_ocelot) Posts: 1372 1/19/2016	Gonen wrote: Parelle wrote: I have trouble believing that PP is also only Fate locked. Uber and Heptagoats require Fate. Yes, the Ubergoat costs a whopping 1 Fate. (I have no opinion on PP.) -- Social Actions: send them to Kade Carrion (she/her; no Tournament of Lilies, please). an_ocelot has gone NORTH and cannot benefit from social actions! Possibly-Useful Things: Spreadsheets and hints and link collections, oh my.
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NiteBrite Posts: 1019 4/9/2015	Cecil Palmer wrote: Getting married at St. Fiacre doesn't increase your Notability above 15, NiteBrite tried this a while back. Notability 15 is a hardcap it seems. It's possible that the one other means of getting Notability isn't capped, but that's only available at certain times of the year. I also think it's highly unlikely that that option isn't capped edited by Cecil on 4/8/2015 Someone remembered this silly thing I did I suspected Notability to be hard capped at 15, but I wanted to be super sure. So when player marriage was first released, I spent roughly an overgoats worth of materials on a permanent player marriage at the most expensive party possible while at N15 just to test the cap. I gave up a rubbery spouse for this, and the +2 notability the wedding should give as well was lost. My BDR will forever be slightly suboptimal, but it was totally worth it in exchange for this knowledge and proof beyond a shadow of a doubt that the cap is a cap proper. Thanks for the mention Cecil. edited by NiteBrite on 4/9/2015 -- I AM currently accepting calling cards. Stats loss counter: reset, irrigo equivalent: none [00:34] <@ortab> NiteBrite's laugh is that of a condemned soul gazing into the abyss. Merciless Modiste avatar by Paul Arendt (based on an original image by Joe England) http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/TheBriteModiste
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Mr. James Rayner Posts: 12 4/15/2015	If the people with epic amounts of resources / items / qualities haven't found this thing yet, it's either not in the game yet, or it's hidden somewhere so obscure and requires such onerous conditions as to be basically impossible to achieve for the average player. The first of which just makes me tired, the second just makes me angry.
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Cocytus Posts: 187 4/10/2015	I have N15, no spec and all the items, not seeing anything new unlocked. The search continues. -- Cocytus, the Avuncular Wordsmith, a river outside a box. Stock Titus, a rapturous individual ahead of its time. (Dormant)
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genesis Posts: 924 6/21/2015	Brad O'Connell wrote: In addition, are there any areas in the game as unlinked to a particular stat, or pair of stats, than your lodgings? Bazaar Sidestreets? Mrs Plenty's Carnival? The former would fit with it being the location where your journey to be a PoSI culinates. The latter would make sense as that's the default location for grinding connections in the early game -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/mikey_thinkin Keeping track of incomplete content and loose ends in Fallen London
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dov Posts: 2580 6/24/2015	Personally, I prefer to think that to become a Paramount Presence you need to give 7 Hesperidean Ciders to 7 heptagoats to drink. Preferably doing so while in your Parabolan base-camp. This way I can safely ignore the option until FBG confirm that this is actually available in the game. -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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navchaa Posts: 561 2/17/2016	Gonen wrote: Am I the only one who's heart skip a beat when this topic comes up? I always think for a moment: "OH! Someone found it!" Well, you just made my heart skip a beat! -- Paramount Presence (London's Marrow 2, London's Nerves 2, London’s Sinew 3, London’s Blood 3) and mercenary Notary Married to Myrto :: Exchanging Surprise Packages with anyone interested :: Exchanging cat boxes with Kitty Rambunctious http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/navchaa
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Estelle Knoht Posts: 1751 6/3/2016	Theus wrote: It's an idea I don't think anyone has yet explored. Apologies for any gnashing/wailing this may provoke. Naw, ta-ta. Colleen Salesperson at 200 Shadowy says it is probably not that. Sorry, Thesaurus. -- Estelle Knoht, a juvenile, unreliable and respectable lady. I currently do not accept any catbox, cider, suppers, calling cards or proteges.
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Saklad Posts: 528 6/4/2016	Are we ABSOLUTELY sure that Paramount Presence is in the game? -- Saklad5, a man of many talents
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suinicide Posts: 2409 6/4/2016	Nope! We're nowhere near sure. edited by suinicide on 6/4/2016 -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/profile/sunnytime A gentleman seeking the liberation of knowledge, with a penchant for violence. RIP suinicide, stuck in a well. Still has it under control.
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Saklad Posts: 528 6/4/2016	suinicide wrote: Nope! We're nowhere near sure. edited by suinicide on 6/4/2016 Assuming that Failbetter isn’t evil and requires that you don’t have a specialization, I’m just going to pick Extraordinary Mind then. Maybe they added the Paramount Presence criteria just to screw with everybody. -- Saklad5, a man of many talents
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Grenem Posts: 2067 6/5/2016	Estelle Knoht wrote: maleclypse wrote: I'm sure Nitebrite and others have explored it but what if the overcap well in Flint is the key? Has anyone who is overcapped in dangerous and one other stat gone and searched all the expected places? How much is enough, though? At 205, anyone on Shattering Force would have stumbled upon it. At 220, it just mean they are reserved to one out of four specialisations. If it is above 220, it straight out devolve into shady territory. Baiting people to pay for the most expensive content in game repeatedly chasing after an elusive title probably isn't the case here. Good point My guess is that, if maleclypse is right, then paramount presence hasn't been released yet- that it's acquired by overcapping all four stats, and that expensive-but-possible options to do just that will become availible when it's released. Hopefully expensive in in-game terms, and probably in in-game terms too- anything you could lock yourself out of is also kinda shady. -- Married!:http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/takuza I will accept all social actions that do not consume free evenings- and i will provide patronage to anyone who requests it, though it will be split between all requesters. On psudeo-hiatus. Will be inactive and active and fluctuate without warning. Grinding Favors without cards: http://community.failbettergames.com/topic22266-storylet-favors-grinding.aspx
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dov Posts: 2580 11/8/2016	Aro Saren wrote: This Hallowmas adds 2 Notability for option with all transformed companions. Anyone tried at Notability 15? People tried this last Hallowmas. This never works. It won't even work if you try it with Notability 14 (you'll just get one point). Some qualities have hard caps. Notability can't increase past 15. Similar to how Favours can't increase past 7 (as people found out playing an option which is supposed to give 2 Favours when they already had 6). -- Want a sip of Hesperidean Cider? Send me a request in-game. Here's an_ocelot's guide how. (Most social actions are welcome. Please no requests to Loiter Suspiciously and no investigations of the Affluent Photographer)
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genesis Posts: 924 11/8/2016	The "people are at various stages to reaching it" was about PP presence, I believe, not Passion. BUT! It does not follow that PP is doable. If, for example, PP is what you get upon completion of your ambition both it being not doable and people being at various stages of achieving it would be true -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/mikey_thinkin Keeping track of incomplete content and loose ends in Fallen London
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Cthonius Posts: 362 11/8/2016	Frensus wrote: Found it! Or at least confirmation that it is more than likely implemented. Alexis indicated that there is a line and people were progressing along it back at the beginning of this year. People in the topic were focused more on Passion, a bit of enigma, and words for north that aren't 'boreal' than PP, so they completely ignored this one line I have taken as confirmation of it being implemented since I found that topic while hunting for any clues I could find. Alexis Kennedy wrote: an_ocelot wrote: You are _so_ evil. /admiring That's very sweet of you but I'm honestly trying to be helpful. Summary! - two people are one step away from Passion, and might yet achieve it before the lacre all dries up and the Destinies close - various people are at various stages of the Paramount Presence line - Ambition: Enigma has a scheduled update (<--this is true) - 2,946 people have Acquaintance: Heptagoat - there's a Latin-derived word for 'North' that isn't 'boreal' Here y'all are. Points well towards genesis's thought on this. -- Cthonius, gone North. Gone. Oneiropompus, a Scarlet Saint, eager to help make your dreams realities. Accepting all social requests for now.
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xKiv Posts: 846 6/24/2015	Marianne Anders wrote: I'm confused. isn't this confirmation? relevant text from the Tiger Himself: Various people are at various stages of their ambitions, yet none of the conclusions are available in the game. -- https://www.fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/xKiv - a witchful, percussive, dangermous and shadowry scholar of coexplodence, hopsidirean, and walker of fallen kitties.
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genesis Posts: 924 6/30/2015	This is a minor thing but I think there has been a change to the Paramount Presence quality. Previously, if you highlighted the PoSI quality requirement icon it gave the following list: A Significant Individual A Paramount Presence A Shattering Force A Legendary Charisma An Invisible Eminence An Extraordinary Mind A Paramount Presence was after the Significant Individual and before the 4 main specialisations. Now, it's listed at the end of the list after all the specialisations. -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/mikey_thinkin Keeping track of incomplete content and loose ends in Fallen London
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Brad O'Connell Posts: 72 7/5/2015	Well, I've almost got all my connections up to their top titles: The Masters of the Bazaar-9-There may be indiscretions The Widow-50-Recognized Benthic-100-Considered Distinguished The Docks-101-Never Buy Your Own Drinks The Tomb-Colonies-103-Famed Among Summerset-113-Considered Distinguished Urchins-150-One of Us The Duchess-150-Quite exceptional! Hell-150-Hell's Crony The Great Game-151-A Power in the Shadows Revolutionaries-151-A Demagogue Rubbery Men-152-Amberine Criminals-153-One of Us Constables-158-One of Us Bohemian-201-A Notorious Wonder of the Age The Church-233-Approved Society-325-Famed Only Benthic and Summerset need to be higher (150). If that's actually the unlock, the question becomes where to look. Actually, what I'm really curious about is, assuming that is part of the unlock, whether one of the stat specializations is required as well. I don't suppose anyone who does have a specialization is near that level of connections? -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Teleri Up for all social actions except suspicious loitering and trailing the affluent photographer, unless you go with the a selfishness option, in which case go for it. May space out requests for menace reduction.
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Estelle Knoht Posts: 1751 6/22/2015	There's also the House of Chimes and the The Mind of a Long-Dead God, although they aren't very fitting given one's a paid location and the another is not quite Bazaar centric. Then again, Ubergoat's fate-locked and Iron Republic has another goat. -- Estelle Knoht, a juvenile, unreliable and respectable lady. I currently do not accept any catbox, cider, suppers, calling cards or proteges.
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Lady Taimi Felix Posts: 202 4/11/2015	I would also look on the Unsigned Message card, just in case. -- Lady Taimi Felix: Devoted Wife. Invisible Eminence. Patron of the Shadowy Arts. Monster Hunter. Lady of Adventure. Exceptionally Lethal. Loves a Good Chat over Coffee.
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A B Nile Posts: 414 4/14/2015	Lady Taimi Felix wrote: I would also look on the Unsigned Message card, just in case. That was my thought too, although it occurs that the other specialisms are achieved in the relevant quality-specific areas, rather than on that card. Definitely worth a look, but its absence wouldn't be fatal to the idea that N15, capped stats and all specialist items are the PP requirements... -- My profile: A B Nile My alt: Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate (seeking Acquaintances and accepting all social actions) Item conversion table - finally complete with all rare successes! Bloody, bold and resolute
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Shadowhand Posts: 197 4/15/2015	Mr. James Rayner wrote: If the people with epic amounts of resources / items / qualities haven't found this thing yet, it's either not in the game yet, or it's hidden somewhere so obscure and requires such onerous conditions as to be basically impossible to achieve for the average player. The first of which just makes me tired, the second just makes me angry. Then all the more magnificent when achieved! I realize we're going on close to nothing, but hey, that's what madness is all about. edited by Shadowhand on 4/15/2015 -- Twitter: @mortshadow - Fallen London: Shadowhand Benjamin Gabbay, a silly and crafty individual of mysterious and indistinct intentions
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Brad O'Connell Posts: 72 6/2/2015	I got shadowy up to 200, notability up to 15 and all my connection qualities, barring masters, up to 50. Haven't seen anything yet. Make that Watchful and Shadowy at 200, Masters to 7, Glass to 20, Bohemian and Society to 100+ and Church and Constables to 200+ and all others at 50+. Then I have the four NPC acquaintances up to 5+ and Influence to 70. I still don't see any options, but given paramount's meaning is first in importance or highest in jurisdiction, connections still seems like a good route to take. I could see the governorship of the Carnelian Coast also applying given the highest in jurisdiction usage. edited by Teleri13 on 6/9/2015 -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Teleri Up for all social actions except suspicious loitering and trailing the affluent photographer, unless you go with the a selfishness option, in which case go for it. May space out requests for menace reduction.
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colinsapherson Posts: 191 6/20/2015	My current working presumption is that a Paramount Presence may require Connected 200 in everything (bar Masters - maybe that's 10). 200 does seem to be the magic number for POSI specialisations. It would also be a nice trade-off by Failbetter against all those players who nuke their connections to optimise their opportunity hand. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Colin%20Sapherson%2c%20Lord%20President%20of%20the%20Council Available for Knife & Candle Moon League matches, Tournaments of lilies and other social actions (including boxed cats and photographers). http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Strangewheys~Wandering http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/RUSKIN~WARE
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genesis Posts: 924 6/20/2015	Brad's idea is the most interesting/convincing one I've seen in a while. And should be relative "easy" (I mean only in terms of that it requires time; no hoops per se) to test. If true, presumably in parallel to the other specialisations there would also be a Notability requirements and an item requirement (maybe a Connections item for each faction?). But what's less clear to me is where should this option appear. -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/mikey_thinkin Keeping track of incomplete content and loose ends in Fallen London
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Estelle Knoht Posts: 1751 4/9/2015	NiteBrite wrote: No it was definitely the hard cap message. The "this quality currently cannot go higher than 15" message? Looks like I just saved a lot of rats. -- Estelle Knoht, a juvenile, unreliable and respectable lady. I currently do not accept any catbox, cider, suppers, calling cards or proteges.
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Shadowhand Posts: 197 4/8/2015	A hard disk crash forced me to abandon FL long enough to have Time bump my Notability back down to 14. So if Notability is a part of it, I'm off the hunt for a while. -- Twitter: @mortshadow - Fallen London: Shadowhand Benjamin Gabbay, a silly and crafty individual of mysterious and indistinct intentions
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Erika Posts: 528 4/8/2015	Getting married at St. Fiacre doesn't increase your Notability above 15, NiteBrite tried this a while back. Notability 15 is a hardcap it seems. It's possible that the one other means of getting Notability isn't capped, but that's only available at certain times of the year. I also think it's highly unlikely that that option isn't capped edited by Cecil on 4/8/2015 -- Where the sun is hot, the moon is beautiful, and mysterious lights pass overhead while we all pretend to sleep. Going on a fate expedition? I'm collecting data! Help me? "Bottles of Oblivion" drunk in the name of content: 57 Catboxes (send more!) opened in the name of science: 1093 Fancy a friend?
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Asclepius Unbound Posts: 389 12/22/2014	Does 'on the path' mean that the path itself is actually complete, though? It could simply be that 200 in all qualities is a prerequisite, but they haven't actually put a way to get A Paramount Presence into the game yet. -- Alas, Asclepius Unbound is now forever beyond the reach of invitations. A successful Seeker.
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lady ciel Posts: 2548 12/20/2014	There are so many things it might be I do have a stat capped character who hasn't chosen a specialization and has all the items needed to choose one. At the moment they are working, slowly, on raising Connections and earning enough echoes for an Overgoat (less than half way at the moment) so it will take a lot longer to get to an Ubergoat. Another thing that might be worth considering is all four 3200 Relicker items and other unique items - Fluke Core etc. Then there is getting other things capped - Duelist, Hunter and they haven't even started publishing Newspapers or competing in the Tournament of Lilies. If it is a combination of things this is going to take a long time to discover. edited by reveurciel on 12/20/2014 -- ciel Sorry RL means I am not a very active player at the moment. No social actions unless you are prepared to wait and definitely no sparring or other mult-action things. No Calling Cards or boxed cats please. Will take dupes on the affluent photographers. Other social invitations welcome. Parabolan Kittens usually available, send me an in-game social action saying you want one and I will get one to you as soon as possible. storynexus name - reveurciel
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Shadowhand Posts: 197 12/21/2014	I just came back from the Republic with maxed stats, nobility, and a few other things, and it truly does seem awkward, but the possibility is still there. I guess it seems odd to me that the Barrister would manage to discuss such a dramatic issue in a place with glass rain and toad demons. It also just occurred to me that the "second-tier" PoSI qualities don't involve the Barrister at all, do they? -- Twitter: @mortshadow - Fallen London: Shadowhand Benjamin Gabbay, a silly and crafty individual of mysterious and indistinct intentions
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Rupho Schartenhauer Posts: 787 12/22/2014	To unlock each of the four specializations you need a special item (Infernal Rifle, Parabola Frock/Suit, Gloam-foam, Smock of 4308 Pockets). Has anyone tried having 200 in all stats AND all four items BEFORE choosing a specialization? Maybe with Notability 15 to top it off? edited by Rupho Schartenhauer on 12/22/2014 -- Rupho Schartenhauer has killed a Master, well: most of it. Cortez the Killer has killed a Master, definitely. Deepdelver has become the progenitor of London's brightest star. It's... complicated. Dr. Kvirkvelia, gone NORTH on 23/12/1894.
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Shadowhand Posts: 197 12/22/2014	NiteBrite wrote: Edit: Has anyone tried getting a specialization and then reducing their stats to zero? That would be kind of funny (if very unlikely) if it were the way to unlock paramount presence. edited by NiteBrite on 12/22/2014 "You've gained a new quality: 'Curse of NiteBrite' at 7!" -- Twitter: @mortshadow - Fallen London: Shadowhand Benjamin Gabbay, a silly and crafty individual of mysterious and indistinct intentions
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EmilyAriel Posts: 124 3/13/2015	dragonridingsorceress wrote: cheshster wrote: Influence 100 How did you get Influence to 100? I thought it was capped at 91. Acquaintances to 86, then take on two proteges for 7 each.
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Shadowhand Posts: 197 3/16/2015	I just purchased an Infernal Sharpshooter, which was the only "PoSI Upgrade" item I didn't yet own, and also found an appropriate combination of BDR items that give me a minimum of 7 across all three stats, because, well, 7. How is everyone on the subject of Knife & Candle? I've kind of steered clear of it for the last while, but there are a lot of notable achievements to be collected in that area, I suppose. edited by Shadowhand on 3/16/2015 -- Twitter: @mortshadow - Fallen London: Shadowhand Benjamin Gabbay, a silly and crafty individual of mysterious and indistinct intentions
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Shadowhand Posts: 197 12/17/2014	Wow, that's surprisingly revealing. Thanks for digging that gem up. Now I can go mad legitimately. -- Twitter: @mortshadow - Fallen London: Shadowhand Benjamin Gabbay, a silly and crafty individual of mysterious and indistinct intentions
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lady ciel Posts: 2548 12/19/2014	You can meet her again - if you have a certain lodging or a ship. -- ciel Sorry RL means I am not a very active player at the moment. No social actions unless you are prepared to wait and definitely no sparring or other mult-action things. No Calling Cards or boxed cats please. Will take dupes on the affluent photographers. Other social invitations welcome. Parabolan Kittens usually available, send me an in-game social action saying you want one and I will get one to you as soon as possible. storynexus name - reveurciel
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Nigel Overstreet Posts: 1220 12/20/2014	I caved last year to get a 5 card lodging, but I would have liked to experimented with this. I've got everything from 10 in all Newspaper Accomplishments to 21 SotC to maxed Connections. I should have given it a go. Maybe it's something to do with Bizarre, Dreaded and Respectable? If you have 10 in all of them at once or something? Then again, it could literally be anything, so there's not a lot of point in speculation. It could require an access code. It could require a Gilded Crustacean, a Rubbery Conspirator, an Apple of Discord, Hesperidian Cider and a Heptagoat. Right now, all we know is it's possible, it's hidden and it could be anything. -- The Romantic Egotist: Most Hedonistic Man in All of Fallen London Are you or someone you know Overgoated? Please, let me know! Cider Club
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Catherine Raymond Posts: 2518 12/17/2014	Sara Hysaro wrote: Have you tried capping your Acquaintance level? It might be one of the requirements. I think FBG has said that the ability to become a Paramount Presence is not yet available but will eventually be implemented. -- Cathy Raymond http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/cathyr19355 Catherine Raymond aka Mrs. Rykar Malkus http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/Catherine%20Raymond (Gone NORTH)
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Shadowhand Posts: 197 12/17/2014	Catherine Raymond wrote: Sara Hysaro wrote: Have you tried capping your Acquaintance level? It might be one of the requirements. I think FBG has said that the ability to become a Paramount Presence is not yet available but will eventually be implemented. I'll go look for that thread. I remember asking the question on a thread a while back, but the answer came something along the lines of "we neither agree nor disagree." -- Twitter: @mortshadow - Fallen London: Shadowhand Benjamin Gabbay, a silly and crafty individual of mysterious and indistinct intentions
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Sara Hysaro Moderator Posts: 4514 12/17/2014	Yes, they were very ambiguous about that. I figured it was something that wasn't possible just yet, but there have been difficult to solve mysteries in the past. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Sara%20Hysaro Please do not send SMEN, cat boxes, or Affluent Reporter requests. All other social actions are welcome. Are you a Scarlet Saint? Send a message my way to be added to the list.
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RandomWalker Posts: 948 1/21/2016	The softened / hardened options at the Iron Republic didn't have a cap for a long time. I got my quirks on my main back up to fifteen (or a similar number) there after the first Zea festival nuked them all.
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metasynthie Posts: 645 7/15/2015	Or you could try setting as many qualities as possible to the sepentrional 7, multiples of 7, 77, 777, 77777 etc. I don't know that there's a limit in Storynexus on how many qualities can required to make a storylet or branch visible, so it could take an awful lot of 7s. Seven 7s, even. -- Positively antique http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/metasynthie
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Gonen Posts: 817 1/18/2016	It will be a TOTAL disappointment if PP can be achieved with 50 diamonds. No logical connection between a highly influential presence and lots of diamonds (since influence works in FL in other ways than monetary values, unlike our own world). Also, paying SO MUCH money for the PP? Never saw it to work like that in FL. Nice myth, though =) edited by Gonen on 1/18/2016 edited by Gonen on 1/18/2016 -- The Ashen Anesthesiologist - Paramount Londoner Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness. The long journey to eccentricity: On March 10th, 2018, reached 15 on all quirks, simultaneously. The Quirky Anesthesiologist
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NiteBrite Posts: 1019 1/18/2016	MadmanAtW wrote: Coincidentally, the Fate cost for using Fate to get your soul back after selling it 50 times, assuming it goes up by 1 Fate per, is almost precisely the cost for building up the diamonds one at a time, if my off the cuff in my head calculations are accurate. You could go engage in a bit of piracy or use the university carousel to get your soul back without fate though. It'd just take a while :P -- I AM currently accepting calling cards. Stats loss counter: reset, irrigo equivalent: none [00:34] <@ortab> NiteBrite's laugh is that of a condemned soul gazing into the abyss. Merciless Modiste avatar by Paul Arendt (based on an original image by Joe England) http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/TheBriteModiste
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NiteBrite Posts: 1019 1/18/2016	Parelle wrote: I have trouble believing that PP is also only Fate locked. People said the same things about the Passion destiny "what does that story have to do with it?" And "surely it wouldn't be fate locked." But we know how that turned out. (I'm teasing, I don't really think PP has to do with getting lots of diamonds. Mostly because it's always been possible to get diamonds but PP has not been around that long in comparison. But it's not -wholly- outside the realm of possibility.) edited by NiteBrite on 1/18/2016 -- I AM currently accepting calling cards. Stats loss counter: reset, irrigo equivalent: none [00:34] <@ortab> NiteBrite's laugh is that of a condemned soul gazing into the abyss. Merciless Modiste avatar by Paul Arendt (based on an original image by Joe England) http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/TheBriteModiste
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Frensus Posts: 102 1/18/2016	I mean, once I finally lose the last of my PPE and finish my MB grind I might as well give this a fair shake. Frensus is all about the shinies anyway, so 50 FD would be a wonderful collection even without a special reward. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Frensus Currently targeting: NiteBrite's Fabulous Diamond Diversion (1/50), Breath of the Void (3184/3200)
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ganjalf91 Posts: 87 1/18/2016	I think the only reasonable thing we can think of is: -one cannot be a PP before being tier II PoSI Also, there arent 4 classes of PP, so we should imagine its a "symmetric" quality, not focused on only a single stat. My idea is: Devs meant to make the requisites for PP just 200 to all stats and maybe a lot of high tier items. But they waited too much, and now a big number of players have those prerequisites easily avaible. So, maybe they are just trying to come up with some new requisite to make it more difficult to obtain. Raising all stat caps to 300 might be an idea, but will require a lot of balances (people lost a lot of time to grind notability for the +15, and also end game achievements like SotC21 would be easily obtainable). So, to release the PP, they must come up with a big end-game rework somehow -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Ganjalf91
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phryne Posts: 1351 1/18/2016	Gonen wrote: It will be a TOTAL disappointment if PP can be achieved with 50 diamonds. No logical connection between a highly influential presence and lots of diamonds (since influence works in FL in other ways than monetary values, unlike our own world). I would point out that diamonds are not just something shiny and valuable in FL. They have a distinct place in FL lore as Mr Stones requires them for "special purposes". Imagine old Stonesey's reaction if you would offer him 50 Fabulous Diamonds!..... he might just reward you with another special "novel birth-mark" that makes you untouchable to all the other Neathy powers. Just wildly speculating here, mind you... -- Accounts: Bag a Legend • Light Fingers • Heart's Desire • Nemesis • no ambition Exceptional Stories, sorted by Season and by writer ― Favours & Renown Guide
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Brad O'Connell Posts: 72 7/6/2015	Shroud and glass are connections, but they are set by your actions to a specific number rather than raised like the others. Hence, I have been ignoring them. Also, excellent Estelle, in a short while, let us go arm in arm, poking at the corners of the neath. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Teleri Up for all social actions except suspicious loitering and trailing the affluent photographer, unless you go with the a selfishness option, in which case go for it. May space out requests for menace reduction.
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Sara Hysaro Moderator Posts: 4514 7/6/2015	Ambitions have been in the game for a long long time. I'm not sure if they were there since the very beginning, but I could see them predating even the basic POSI status. Specializations were introduced long afterwards, when the stat cap was raised one final time to 200. -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Sara%20Hysaro Please do not send SMEN, cat boxes, or Affluent Reporter requests. All other social actions are welcome. Are you a Scarlet Saint? Send a message my way to be added to the list.
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LordPaido Posts: 17 7/6/2015	Sara Hysaro wrote: Ambitions have been in the game for a long long time. I'm not sure if they were there since the very beginning, but I could see them predating even the basic POSI status. Specializations were introduced long afterwards, when the stat cap was raised one final time to 200. I can confirm that Ambitions well predate POSI status. I'm pretty sure I was playing the game for at least a year between starting and POSI, and I started play after things like the University already existed.
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Sara Hysaro Moderator Posts: 4514 7/6/2015	Brad O'Connell wrote: Sara Hysaro wrote: Specializations let you set a stat to 200 + your level of Notability, so I'm pretty sure it's the last stat increase for at least a good long while. There's no official confirmation, but there's a quote I vaguely recall related to progression with regards to stats that I'll try digging up sometime. You don't need increasingly higher stats to keep things interesting, however. There are other ways to give the player a sense of progression. I'd be surprised because the game seems set up to increasingly difficult challenges on the four major stats, excepting some BDR challenges and just luck checks. I absolutely agree that progression can be done through alternate means. If that is the case, I'm genuinely interested to see how its handled. The game was definitely built that way, but the quote I half remember said that they were trying to move away from that. I wouldn't completely trust me on that one until I have the time to dig up the quote, however, so that that with a grain of salt for the time being. LordPaido wrote: Sara Hysaro wrote: Ambitions have been in the game for a long long time. I'm not sure if they were there since the very beginning, but I could see them predating even the basic POSI status. Specializations were introduced long afterwards, when the stat cap was raised one final time to 200. I can confirm that Ambitions well predate POSI status. I'm pretty sure I was playing the game for at least a year between starting and POSI, and I started play after things like the University already existed. I thought so. Edit: Okay, I am back from my voyage into the lands of FBG staff posts and returned mostly empty handed. I believe that I may have misremembered a quote which actually stated that they were moving away from locking content when your stats get too high (alternatively I overlooked something in my skimming). That doesn't mean that they will raise the stat cap again, but it wasn't quite the solid statement I was looking for. Here is the post, just in case anyone wants to take a look at it and the surrounding discussion. -- edited by Sara Hysaro on 7/7/2015 -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Sara%20Hysaro Please do not send SMEN, cat boxes, or Affluent Reporter requests. All other social actions are welcome. Are you a Scarlet Saint? Send a message my way to be added to the list.
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metasynthie Posts: 645 7/15/2015	Add on top of everything else: all quirks to 15? -- Positively antique http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/metasynthie
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Angus Turner Posts: 72 9/4/2015	Could favourable circumstances be the key? They are purchased with Notability, after all. Maybe amassing enough of them (say, seven) opens a hidden branch. The only reason I'm saying this is that being a paramount presence must require some rare qualities or someone would have found it by now, and I imagine favourable circumstances are pretty rare, considering the fact that they are very expensive and not all the useful. Not in bulk, anyway. -- The Philanthropic Scholar.
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rykarmalkus Posts: 36 10/30/2015	Hm, true. I can't shake the feeling that it might be related to the feature, though. Especially with the unattainable(?) Closest To The Masters. Assuming the whole Connections/Closest/Influence logic we've been following isn't a massive false lead.
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malthaussen Posts: 1060 11/22/2015	Having read through this entire thread, I am fully convinced that Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson are on the board of Failbetter Games. -- Mal -- "Of two choices, I always take the third." Will do all socials except Loitering or Private Evenings (all my Free Evenings are accounted for), and Affluent Photographer Betrayals only, please. I am not currently accepting calling cards. http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/malthaussen
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Ian Hart Posts: 437 11/23/2015	I've become a Tier 2 PoSI at long last, and this line jumped out at me "Advise and assist newcomers or younger friends... and you can become a real power when they rise." http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Antifinity?fromEchoId=7097083 Has anyone mentored the maximum number of prodigies up to Tier 2 PoSI? -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Antifinity
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Gonen Posts: 817 11/23/2015	Actually, that was my second guess, after quirks. 7 proteges at the same time. (or 4 or.. whatever). -- The Ashen Anesthesiologist - Paramount Londoner Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness. The long journey to eccentricity: On March 10th, 2018, reached 15 on all quirks, simultaneously. The Quirky Anesthesiologist
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Estelle Knoht Posts: 1751 12/5/2015	The way StoryNexus and qualities work, it is doubtful that you can unlock any options to become a Paramount Presence through other players' qualities. -- Estelle Knoht, a juvenile, unreliable and respectable lady. I currently do not accept any catbox, cider, suppers, calling cards or proteges.
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NathanielSterben Posts: 36 1/22/2016	another possibility is that you need lots of connected the masters, it makes some sense to me for it to be a requirement -- My metaphysical interpretation in the neath: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/NathanielSPACESYMBOLSterben
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genesis Posts: 924 1/22/2016	Connected: Masters has been tried by a number of people, I believe. What I don't understand is why FBG is being coy about whether Paramount Presence has been implemented. Sure, maybe it's very hard and convoluted (like the Heptagoat) and you don't want to give the players any hints. But actually formulating an explicit policy not to even acknowledge whether Paramount Presence has been implemented... is very strange. Suppose that PP is implemented. Why would you choose not to tell this to your players? The only possible reason I can think of is to protract the point in time at which it is discovered. Why would that be something desirable to a company? I have no idea... Suppose that PP is not implemented. Why would you not tell your players this? The only thing I can think of is that you want to avoid players harassing you with lots of emails along the lines of "are we there yet?". But why would that be any different than any other content that has not been implemented?... -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/mikey_thinkin Keeping track of incomplete content and loose ends in Fallen London
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Optimatum Posts: 3666 1/22/2016	I would disagree with a few of your points there. The Heptagoat was for a long time unknown, even when NiteBrite sold some Cider for the hope of one. By SMEN updates I meant updates that occurred in past prior to the hiatus, but that isn't official content so I guess it still stands. But I would interpret Flyte's reply there as not a policy specific to PP, but rather the idea of hints vs spoilers. Stating something is or isn't available gives information about existing and future content which in some cases may be enough for people to find answers, and elaborating on someone else's work which could change in future also has potential problems. -- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome. Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi! PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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metasynthie Posts: 645 1/22/2016	If there's a shift in priorities for a team working on a living, breathing experience like Fallen London, little bits and unfinished pieces will tend to accumulate. Some seem relatively mundane and easy to understand -- the Other Waxwork? Oh, another mystery to solve. Others are much more mysterious / provocative -- the Sultan of Gloves, Paramount Presence, the rest of the Enigma rainbow and so forth -- but that doesn't mean they're any more finished or completely planned out. SMEN is on hiatus because of problems that occurred; Enigma only gets a little smidgeon every now and then because it's so thoroughly meta, fanservice disconnected from the rest of the game; Alexis is not writing more content because Flint took too much time; the iOS port is definitely a herculean effort; people want their next Ambition chapter; a new Exceptional Story must be produced like clockwork every month; a lot of other overhauls have been underway like Favours, trackers, interface changes, etc. In this mix, it's easy to understand why Paramount Presence is mysteriously dusty off in a corner; it's paramount, the highest and perhaps last, known more as a rumour than anything announced. I suspect we'll see the next term of the university before Paramount Presence. After all, the University is right out there in the open, and gets awfully quiet once you're done with it; it's simply more of a glaring absence. edited by metasynthie on 1/22/2016 -- Positively antique http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/metasynthie
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Samuel Perryman Posts: 14 1/22/2016	Has anyone tried 200 all qualities and owning every property before specializing? The presence part of it may have something to do with being everywhere (aka, owning every available property). With Penstock's help it is possible to get the five-card lodgings without a POSI specialization after all. -- Samuel Perryman A Correspondent and a patriot, seeking to bring London to a new Neathy Empire. An Extraordinary Mind accepting new proteges. Cecil Palmer Wait... Where is my radio?
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ganjalf91 Posts: 87 1/22/2016	Samuel Perryman wrote: Has anyone tried 200 all qualities and owning every property before specializing? The presence part of it may have something to do with being everywhere (aka, owning every available property). With Penstock's help it is possible to get the five-card lodgings without a POSI specialization after all. Its not something one may accidentally miss without chanche of retry -- http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Ganjalf91
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genesis Posts: 924 1/23/2016	I think the main difference I see between the Heptagoat and the Paramount Presence is that ultimately Heptagoat ended up having the requirements you'd expect it to have. Sure, there was a lot of speculation as to what you'd need because who on earth had 7 Ubergoats lying around to confirm but there was no argument that 7 Overgoats or 7 Ubergoats is an obvious option to try and lo and behold. With Paramount Presence all the obvious options have been hypothesised, tested and discarded. In the absence of any reasonable idea whatsoever the insistent silence from FBG as to whether PP has been implemented leads to player apathy and frustration rather than the "can do" attitude that led NiteBrite to discover the Heptagoat -- http://fallenlondon.com/Profile/mikey_thinkin Keeping track of incomplete content and loose ends in Fallen London
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Parelle Posts: 1084 1/26/2016	Ben wrote: Wasn't there a post saying that metaqualities where going to be less of a thing? Indeed: http://community.failbettergames.com/topic9054-the-silver-tree-metaqualities.aspx -- Parelle, Lady Joseph Marlen. The Singular Librarian. A Midnighter, a Player of the Marvelous. pages from a dusty bookshop: a badly updated FL changelog \| Useful Guidance and Explanations
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Parelle Posts: 1084 2/6/2016	I've one other idea but I haven't checked the entire thread: what about Adrift on a Sea of misery? It's certainly quite expensive to change. -- Parelle, Lady Joseph Marlen. The Singular Librarian. A Midnighter, a Player of the Marvelous. pages from a dusty bookshop: a badly updated FL changelog \| Useful Guidance and Explanations
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Optimatum Posts: 3666 2/11/2016	Already started :P -- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome. Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi! PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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Optimatum Posts: 3666 2/11/2016	No idea! The information on the wiki so far has no indication that Letter(s) get removed but that doesn't mean much. As soon as my fiancee and I finish ratting about we can perform some Science. -- Optimatum, a ruthless and merciful gentleman. No plant battles, Affluent Photographer requests, or healing offers; all other social actions welcome. Want a sip of Cider? Just say hi! PM me for information enigmatic or Fated. Though the forum please, not FL itself.
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