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Chris Gardiner
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11/8/2014
Dragon Age: The Last Court, our collaboration with Bioware, is now live and available to play on the Dragon Age Keep! Sign in here, and you'll find it under the menu at the top left.


Enjoy!
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Chris Gardiner
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11/9/2014
Everyone: please moderate your tones when addressing each other.


Some people won't like The Last Court. That is fine.


Some people won't like Fallen London. That is fine.


Some people will love them. That is also fine.


People's preferences in video games are not a reason to insult them, whether it's for attention span, snobbishness, or anything else. The internet has enough of that, and this forum will not become another locus for it.


Please take a moment before you type responses to one another and speak politely. Assume intelligence on behalf of your fellow posters. Communicate with respect.


Thanks!
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babelfishwars
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11/9/2014
Sorry, should have popped in earlier.

Hi guys,
Welcome to new members.

What Chris said.

A point for you all: if you're just making a post to tell someone else why their opinion is wrong, think twice. If someone doesn't enjoy something, it's bad for them. If someone does, it's good for them. Whatever. While you keep things polite I'm not going to get moderatory, but if you are just doing more advanced forms of 'you're wrong', it'll leave a sour taste, and eventually someone from the mod team will get involved.

For new members: we take pride in the forum - just avoiding swearing etc isn't enough to not have moderatorial words murmured in your direction. Please keep it friendly, and please be constructive.
The rest of you - if you find yourself in a 'you're wrong' debate, it's OK to shurrup and not stir things.

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Passionario
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11/18/2014
A small realm in the remote corner of the world, populated by plucky peasants and squabbling nobles, with monsters and brigands lurking in the woods and the shadow of the ancestors always hanging over your shoulder...

Now why does that sounds familiar?



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Edison Wake
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11/9/2014
As a huge fan of both Dragon Age and Echo Bazaar, I'm not blown away. The Last Court pretty good, and I wouldn't say there's anything wrong with the execution. But as much as I love the idea of a Bioware/Failbetter collab, I don't think this game is any better than Fallen London. In terms of sheer creativity, the world of Fallen London is a thousand times more interesting than Thedas. This makes it more suited to the format of a time-constrained text-based RPG, which places much more emphasis on the story than the gaming element. In this format, the better the writing, the better the playing experience. The writing of Dragon Age, while outstanding for a popular video game, can't compare to that of Fallen London. As for The Last Court, I'll play it, but I doubt I'll get invested.
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Owen Wulf
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11/9/2014
Blork wrote:


Which is most likely;
Gamers with decades of experience "cannot wrap their heads around The Last Court"?
Or..
The Last Court isn't any good and you're blindly defending Failbetter?


Your thinly veiled attempts of insulting gamers that don't immediately embrace what you perceive to be good not withstanding, every site talking about this game has the same comments. It's a tedious grind with next to no story, content, or point.


How flattering you would use your first post to argue against my opinion. I have spent years playing Fallen London and so I was able to adapt quickly to the needs of The Last Court, which require a degree of patience if you are not of a mind to spend money on Dawn points.

As for your insinuation that I am blindly defending Failbetter, I have to assume that you missed my early comparison to the Silver Tree. I helped back that project during its Kickstarter and let me just say that you have not encountered a true tedious grind until you have played that mess of a browser game. Failbetter can stand on its own with or without my adoration, but what irks me is the incessant barrage of whining from players who have not spent more than a day playing the Last Court.

The Last Court is good, certainly by my expectations. I enjoy coming home from a hard day of work and plugging away with the points that have been accumulating, and doing so again in the morning over a cup of coffee. The story, as much as I have encountered, is intriguing to me since I am quite versed in Dragon Age lore (despite abstaining from reading any of the books).

And if, good sir, you believe that this game has no point then your perceived notion of "fun" is certainly different from my own.


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"Many" Chin
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11/9/2014
so far i found the game too luck-based and dependent on the cards. also there's no warning that says you need a minimum of so-and-so resources before you can make good use of an option that cost some other resource. e.g., spend an authority point to summon a merchant, just to find out you don't have enough coins/royals to buy anything, thus wasting your authority.

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Fhoenix
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11/14/2014
Wiki says The Elegant Abbess is a potential Lover. But you would probably have to make her your councilor first. Meaning you will lose guild-mistress. I say just make her your lover.

The menaces are super easy to manage. But I am having trouble raising Prosperity/Dignity.

Is there any point to gaining favor with people you do not plan to employ? I spent a lot of resources on favor and now I am regretting it, since usually to spent favor you need to employ them.

I want to go into the forest but my fighting/tracking is abysmal. What should a scholar focus on? Breaking into the chantry?

Pig-scholar is annoying. I like her, but I don't need a boost to Scholarship, so I don't want to hire her. And her only other option is a Cunning check which I always fail and lose dignity...

Oh and the game has beautiful atmosphere and themes. Ruling a city of glass-makers is a delight. Now if only I could go mad, become an apostate and contact my Fingerking associates from the other side of the glass. My life would be complete!

Now that I think about it. We don't know what's on the other side of Eluvian. Could be Parabola!

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NiteBrite
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11/15/2014
[spoiler]Oh man, I think the Chanters little poems (there are a few) during hunting are my current favorite thing. Especially Threnodies 8. If you've seen Threnodies 8 and you are on these forums, then you probably can guess at a glance why I like it haha.[/spoiler]
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Chris Gardiner
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11/18/2014
All the likes.
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Brackenfish
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11/12/2014
The Exacting Culinarian won't serve your Elfroot without a proper hollandaise sauce, which costs seventy seven viands. Or, the option to use it got lost in the shuffle.

The Horned Knight stuff is awesome! I'm totally sure all the compromises I'm making in the name of coexistence aren't going to blow up in my face, ever.
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Owen Wulf
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11/12/2014
Don't put spoilers out in the open please.

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babelfishwars
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11/9/2014
Definitely sounds like you don't like the game. You don't appear to be lost or need help, or indeed to have met a bug. I'm sorry it's not for you. It is indeed a bad game for you. Hope you enjoy Dragon Age: Inquisition more. :-)
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Playersideblog
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11/9/2014
Mm. It's a nice diversion for a Failbetter game, and I like it as such. Certainly, the lore and characters are nowhere near the scope of Fallen London, but it's a pretty good light StoryNexus-style game. Curious to see if things go deeper.

And yes, I fully intend to take the Seeking-esque option. :-D

Blork: Some of that definitely does come with the territory of Failbetter's style of games. Think of it more as a way to slowly unravel narrative, for instance, because it'll definitely never be anything remotely resembling a Bioware RPG. Ultimately, it's a coffee-break game that you can jump into once per day for ten minutes or so, then go off and do other things with your time. It's ultimately pretty lightweight.

I also definitely wish that they would show your progress towards advancing stats. They do this in Fallen London, but it seems that they either chose to remove it or had technical issues with including it in their narrative engine.

The timeout bug sounds exceedingly bothersome.

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yetanotherone
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11/9/2014
Playersideblog wrote:
Mm. It's a nice diversion for a Failbetter game, and I like it as such. Certainly, the lore and characters are nowhere near the scope of Fallen London, but it's a pretty good light StoryNexus-style game. Curious to see if things go deeper.


Yeah, that's spot on. You can't really go crazy in the Dragon Age world, but I hope at least it gets dark.

If "The timeout bug" is what I think it is, then it is indeed bothersome. Not sure why that happens, probably something complicated to do with cookies, but never leave the game open for any length of time with a card active, or you'll lose it.


I'm mostly liking it though. Starts very simple (probably a result of having played way too much FL), but things seem to open up after the second market day. Juggling the various menaces to my advantage is fun too...I don't know if it was intentional design, but my plan to be a kind and benevolent ruler has fallen by the wayside, and freedom and revolution are now just numbers to be kept in check.

Now, where do I find me a 'lover' who isn't the bard? I am less concerned with trivial things like gender, or indeed attractiveness - all I need is someone to shack up with who can make me better at hunting and I've got all the stats covered. Because isn't that what love is all about, reallywink
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"Many" Chin
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11/9/2014
NiteBrite wrote:
Last Court – First Impressions

[spoiler]“This is unwise and will have lasting consequence”

Early in the game you are offered the a choice, dare you unseal the forbidden chateau and seek a heretical truth? A great sin of the past lies buried in deep and the dark. Brave souls unafraid of what is most certainly a terrible end should gather as many candles as they can fit into their leather pouch and plunge headfirst into madness. Of course, every step of the way you are offered the chance to turn back and leave this quest of self-destruction behind. The fearful and the wise who prefer the bliss and prosperity of ignorance can abandon their quest and become Free of the Robes. Seekers of ruinous madness have an advantage in finding favor with the divine oddly enough. Grind your menace to the maximum straining your kingdom to the breaking point to gain rewards unparalleled and unique.

Dare you zail the apple wood’s river and brave the eldridtch terrors contained within? Do you trust the Masterful Nobles or will you succumb to their machinations? And what will you do to ease (or increase) the plight of your delicious citizens? The Revolutionaries are waiting, biding their time. If you aren’t careful their Liberation will be upon you.[/spoiler]

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thanks for the info... i think i'll go seek NOT-mister-eaten's name in last court, since it's a new character and i wouldn't worry much about "nuking" myself
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Brackenfish
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11/11/2014
Playing the game seems to require an account with Dragon Age Keep, which itself requires navigating a bunch of menus about games the player may not actually own. It's understandable that Bioware is positioning Last Court as a way to push the Dragon Age brand, but that is an odd, clunky speed bump.

Enough about that, though. There's a palpable respect here for an established fictional world, but in a style that is very Failbetterish. Meaningful agency is present a whole lot sooner than it was in FL, and even the basic grind (improve kingdom, get reward items) is satisfying. So, good stuff! Looking forward to seeing how many different ways the story can pan out.
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Passionario
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11/11/2014
I found myself going to the woods *more* often after becoming Unwelcome.

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Playersideblog
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11/11/2014
I think I'm finally getting the hang of it! I hit 0 Health and it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. No indication on how to use Elfroot, however.

Also, I'm on the verge of stockpiling enough Freedom to get to my 15 Thingies needed for a good ending. We shall see what the later days hold...

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Chris Gardiner
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11/12/2014
"Many" Chin wrote:
apology for spoiler. i thought i was being vague enough. anyway, looks like i can't log in again. ea.com website is down a while ago??

The Dragon Age Keep was down for maintenance, but it should be back up now.
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"Many" Chin
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11/9/2014
call me a bigot who mocks barbarians and foreigners, but i wouldn't be ashamed to insult the likes of them who hate text-based adventures and such.

looks like it's more popular than i thought it would be. i can't even log in on firefox, and it doesn't work with opera presto.

EDIT nevermind. it's working now.
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Owen Wulf
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11/9/2014
Blork wrote:

And now along with gamers not being able to wrap their head around a painfully simplistic game.....they need patience as well. I'm flattered you can even be bothered replying in between polishing your ivory tower.

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Because it's a bad game, that's why.


I did not lump all of the game's detractors into some target for ridicule, that is simply your imagination. You may maintain pretenses all you wish but you have not been in the slightest bit constructive in the discussion, started by yourself, as to whether this game has merits.

I have argued that, flaws aside, it is a product worthy of one's time if you are so inclined. All you have to offer is yet another unrelenting wave of misdirected anger and spiteful rhetoric.

If all you want to do is pick a fight then you are not worth my time. If, however, you wish to indulge in discussing the game's various mechanics and virtues, even its lesser traits, then that is commendable.

Do remember, however, to maintain proper forum decorum as, unlike in the Bioware Forums, the moderators here are quite willing to take action when needed.

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Owen Wulf
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11/9/2014
I have enjoyed my time toying around with the intrigue and inherent dangers of ruling the province of Serault. It is a far cleaner and more rapt experience than the Silver Tree and I must commend the team for such an excellent piece of work.

However, it seems that an unusually large contingent of Dragon Age players cannot wrap their heads around The Last Court and are already decrying it. The response from some has been so vocal that I wondered if the same game was being discussed. No doubt the workings of a Failbetter game will come as alien to those used to immediate satisfaction, and things will likely be smoothed over as time goes on. Like as not, the Dragon Age Wiki will be updated to include a guide for this game that can be referenced later. Were it not for my tight schedule I might be tempted to contribute to the effort myself.

That aside, a job well done.

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Corran
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12/16/2014
I had the same problem and mailed FailBetter and they manually unstuck me.

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11/15/2014
Owen Wulf wrote:
Well, I just entertained the Divine and her massive entourage in my court today. Besides an anti-climatic ending to the Horned Knight's story I was otherwise delighted by the event. There are certainly a few things I would do differently in a second playthrough but for now I will just relax and rest on my laurels.

If anyone is interested in the mechanics for the endgame of The Last Court feel free to pm with questions.

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You can definitely get a more climactic ending if you like.

It isn't a "good" one, but it's more climactic!

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