Flyte
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3/13/2014
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This week, we've significantly tweaked beast-breeding in the Labyrinth of Tigers. A summary of the changes:
- The rewards have, in most cases, been substantially increased.
- The rewards have been greatly diversified. The number of different items which can be acquired by breeding has been increased from seven to over 20. Some of these are moderately inconvenient to acquire in other ways.
- New branches have been added to some of the beast-acquisition storylets.
- Acquiring some of the beast has become a little more challenging; in particular, anyone who wishes to capture a Plated Seal should be prepared to brave the full fury of the Unterzee. No longer will they be found splashing merrily in the estuary of the Stolen River.
Why have we done this? Partly because we'd like to provide ways for players to diversify their grinds. And partly because there are roughly sixty distinct results from breeding beasts. Some are very funny; some contain clues no one seems to have noticed; and every single one is interesting and entertaining and full of the Bishop of Southwark, who is, like, awesome. We'd like to encourage players to explore them some more.
In most cases, the rewards have been balanced so that, if you're in Flute Street or the Tomb-Colonies or on a sea voyage, capturing and breeding a beast will be extremely profitable. But in most cases, leaving London solely to capture a beast will provide low to middling rewards: we didn't want to incentivise narratively incongruous behaviour, like deliberately grinding Scandal to take advantage of an efficient grind.
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Diptych
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3/13/2014
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Good to know! I admit, I adored all the results text, but I don't think I ran any of the paths much more than once... so all I can really remember is something about heating bills and something untoward happening in Dublin.
(Also, I just went to capture a Hyaena but found I needed Nightmares so I went to the Forgotten Quarter and long story short does anyone need an Eyeless Skull?)
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Trodgmey
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As mentioned above, I've been collecting the rewards and lore associated with all combinations surrounding the Plated Seal. After a lot of work (getting the results and lore for rare failures was actually one of the harder parts), I have the complete collection. Seems a shame to just sit on it -- please PM me (in game or here) if you would like some information from it. Posting it in the wiki would violate both the terms and the spirit of the wiki, so I won't, but here's a few fun snippets from the Bishop....
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The Bishop turns to you and says, 'Those letters - a gift for a woman one hates? Strange thing to write on a serpent if you ask me. Although the Dilmun Club did ask very nicely to be told if anything like that showed up. Hmm.'
'Look, I told you before, no serpents! I'm not hunting devils with anything that crawls on its belly! And that includes the Bishop of St Fiacre's!'
'The foul villains would laugh at me! And laughing at Bishops is wicked beyond sin!'
'Still, it took more than a day to build Rome, and it'll take more than a day to build the First Ezekiel Nephropidian Artillery.'
'I was there, you know. At the last charge. I was in the Guards back then. A goat-demon pulled my horse from under me and ate it before my eyes. That's why this needs to work. Why I won't ever stop.'
I assure you I've left many of the best bits unshared.
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Myke Harryson
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3/13/2014
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So, the second region of Neathy Pokemon has been reached? Geuss its time to go back to breeding them all XD
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Myke Harryson
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3/13/2014
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I've started a google doc to track all the options for those who wish to contribute or watch from the sidelines. As also, spoilers will be contained behind this link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsYD2b2w1A6EdEZMTDV1YnlMbFQ4bXB0WFljakRrVlE#gid=0
If you would like to add something, leave a comment or PM me here.
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22 souls, Connection to Hell 611, 10,000,000 brass - 1/16/17
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Spacemarine9
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3/13/2014
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I think the point was more to make the beasts difficult to acquire so the rewards could be more fulfilling than to nerf anything, to be honest. If a hyena is trivial to obtain, you can't really give anything but trivial rewards for obtaining one. I'm not actually certain as to the magnitude of the reward improvements, but at the very least the whole business should be a more viable source of items; 20 different items is a lot more versatile for 7, and certain items possess value above their sale value because of their rarity. I'm pretty sure this is entirely intended to be a buff, not a nerf.
edited by Spacemarine9 on 3/13/2014
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"Many" Chin
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3/13/2014
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hyenas need nightmares now? that's not fair. i thought theolog.husbandry has been nerfed enough with the changes to tomb-colonies. and the unterzee is already time/actions wasting enough. having a swift ship allows you to return faster but would give you cards you don't need while looking for the seal!
in any case, i still want to keep a flame-breathing lobster.
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RandomWalker
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8/27/2014
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Once you've paid fate for the elixir, prepare a beast as normal, but you'll find you have an extra option when it comes to breeding it. If you pull out all the stops, you'll find yourself with new pets, who in turn generate some new cards (not all of them have a card). You are in particular interested in the card from the obdurate stallion.
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xKiv
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4/10/2015
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Can you guarantee that the wikied results are all from *after* the latest known revamp?
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xKiv
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4/11/2015
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A while ago, I checked most of the results (except some plated seals).
Somnolent hyena: my results agree with the spreadsheet, except I have failure for "just the toadstools" marked as 28 SWA (spreadsheet has 21).
Rubbery hound: the three basic options are all 4400/2900, toadstools=rat tails, discipline=foxfire candle stubs, devils=glim
- firm hand and all stops agree
- fungus and wrath: 110/74 journals of infamy
- toadstools and stick: 110/74 compromising documents
tomb lion: completely agree (except I didn't have failures for toadstools+stick or all stops)
plated seal:
- you have the rewards for "just the toadstools" backward (30<39> instead of 39<30>
- I think the failure for "firm hand" is actually 3 puzzle-damask, not any silk scrap
- I don't have the failure for "fungus and wrath", but I doubt it's journals of infamy; 74 incendiary gossip would make more sense (=be in line with every other such reward)
- I din't have the failure for "toadstool and stick"
- otherwise the results agree
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Sara Hysaro
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4/11/2015
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I checked all the successes and failures recently, and I don't recall any options giving different items depending on whether you succeed or fail. It's just a matter of quantity.
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Myke Harryson
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3/13/2014
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I think I was misremembering about the hound -> owl. I remembered you needed it, but I forgot to needed the others with it.
All other entries have been moved into the table
edited by Myke Harryson on 3/13/2014
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Ewan C.
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3/13/2014
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Hyaena with mushrooms only: 27 Absinthe on *failure*
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Shadowhand
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3/14/2014
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I'm confirming that there is no change to the reward of hounding over a hand--er--handing over a Hound to the Bishop.
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Myke Harryson
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3/14/2014
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Well, with the last batch of changes, the Hyena has been fully mapped in the Google Doc!
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Sara Hysaro
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3/28/2014
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Nope.
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Lumyire
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3/28/2014
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Pulling out all the spots on Tomb-Lion: unfortunate outcome is 12 Identities Uncovered.
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Endy
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3/13/2014
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They increased the reward levels though, presumably to match the action cost for the Tombs and Flute Street.
Since they increased the rewards in general, they had to make the cost for obtaining the Hyena and Plated Seal higher.
Can't say I have ever had an issue with obtaining nightmares, more the opposite problem really.
edited by Endy on 3/13/2014
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Hiram Cunningham
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3/13/2014
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Did anyone else notice the 5th coil of the labyrinth is mentioned? It's locked with Making Progress in the Labyrinth of tigers 20. I'm very excited that the story is continuing.
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Myke Harryson
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3/13/2014
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How many base beasts for breeding are there again? I think its 4 if you can get the one within one of the fate-locked areas
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50,000 souls - 12/31/14
3,000,000 souls 10/25/16 - 100% of goal
Connection to Hell: 15
22 souls, Connection to Hell 611, 10,000,000 brass - 1/16/17
1/7/19 - The G.O.A.T. Heptagoat is born admist a storm of Engimas
1/31/19 - The G.O.A.T. is taught the Seven-Fold knock over a snifter of Cider after my voyage NORTH
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babelfishwars
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3/13/2014
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So ... more items, but not more beasts? {Clarification request, not complaint.} I don't need to panic that my collection is incomplete and begin a breeding frenzy? I can leisurely explore?
edited by babelfishwars on 3/13/2014
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