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Estelle Knoht
Estelle Knoht
Posts: 1751

6/14/2012
Just checking to see how many delicious friends has never died once so far - I mean death by Wounds only.

I am beginning to worry that avoiding the boatman entirely might not be of any consequence in the long run, but I think I am going to stick to it no matter what. Even if you offer me an Overgoat just to meet the Boatman for small talk. Or the Cider.

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dov
dov
Posts: 2580

11/14/2015
I've died 7 times - in my pursuit to get 7 specific scars...
If not for Mr Eaten, I would have avoided dying as much as possible.

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Rupho Schartenhauer
Rupho Schartenhauer
Posts: 787

6/14/2012
Interesting. I never would've thought so many of my fellow Fallen Londoners were pining for the Surface, when it's so nice down here. Backward-thinking nostalgics, pfah!
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Curious Foreigner
Curious Foreigner
Posts: 210

11/13/2015
This attitude towards the boatman seems dreadfully pedestrian.
Fear of death? Bah. Are we surfacers? No! We are Neathers blessed with limited immortality, and it would be a shame not to use that for the occasional fatal indulgence.

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Lady Taimi Felix
Lady Taimi Felix
Posts: 202

11/13/2015
Yes, many times, though not recently. Once Lady Taimi met her husband, she stopped being quite so self-destructive (though no less danger-seeking).

My first alt had every intention of returning to the surface one day, and so I was very disappointed to have her be run through like a kebab by Feducci. (I had forgotten that insta-kill was a possibility when duelling him. Whoops.) This is a perfect example of the cognitive dissonance "lalala, didn't happen!" I was speaking of in this thread; instead of incorporating this death into her character, I completely ignored it, and kept right on roleplaying that returning Upstairs was a completely valid option for her.

My second alt I took the complete opposite route. When she found herself in a terrible situation in the early game that lead to her needing to kill herself to escape, I embraced how much this trauma would have affected her, and it became a huge part of her character arc.

Amusingly, my fourth and probably final alt (I wanted to nose around every Ambition, naturally) is the only one who has yet to actually die in game, but her backstory is much too dangerous to have actually avoided the Boatman all these years, so for RP purposes, she and the Boatman know each other pretty well.

While I understand and appreciate the lack of permanent death for game mechanic purposes, it's kind of a bummer for RP, since I think it removes a lot of tension from potentially lethal situations. As such, I've had to come up with a character-driven reason why each of my ladies prefers not to die in order to keep meaning in the issue of life or death.

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Blaine Davidson
Blaine Davidson
Posts: 388

11/14/2015
Somewhat related, I've only been to prison once (excluding the initial jailing) but I constantly wish there was a way to remove that criminal mark.

It's like a stain on my pristine record.

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Catherine Raymond
Catherine Raymond
Posts: 2518

11/14/2015
I hadn't had many deaths until I first started trying to obtain an Impossible Theorem. Then I died a number of times in a row, and became friends with the Boatman. Thank heaven, compared to a POSI of long standing, he's not very good at chess. :-)

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Sestina Valdis
Sestina Valdis
Posts: 210

11/13/2015
Sestina (and I) are the unhealthily curious sort, so she has died, been to jail, lost her sanity and been exiled many times. In fact, her first death was reckless in the sense that she knew she was close to death, but continued putting herself in Danger regardless.

My alt is very new, and so has not been to any of the menace areas yet. I will probably make them die at least once (perhaps I won't even have any say in the matter...). That would be very much in-character.

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bjorntfh
bjorntfh
Posts: 216

4/17/2015
I've died seven times. Each time with both intent and purpose. If required I would die seven times seven times for the sake of knowing the nomenclature of a specific well-bound individual.
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Andrew Astherson
Andrew Astherson
Posts: 118

11/13/2015
My more serious character has somewhat archaic mentality, which means he cares alot about survival. So he succeeded in avoiding postmortem trips. He only exprerienced a singular madness attack once.
As for the silly man, he avoided any crisises so far. Fortune seems to favoure the brave as well as the stupid, nay ?
edited by Andrew Astherson on 11/13/2015

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TheThirdPolice
TheThirdPolice
Posts: 609

11/14/2015
All my fifty deaths have been intentional, so I can impress Master Eaten with even more scars.

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Anneliese Lemieux
Anneliese Lemieux
Posts: 28

2/27/2020
Estelle Knoht wrote:
Just checking to see how many delicious friends has never died once so far - I mean death by Wounds only.

I am beginning to worry that avoiding the boatman entirely might not be of any consequence in the long run, but I think I am going to stick to it no matter what. Even if you offer me an Overgoat just to meet the Boatman for small talk. Or the Cider.


I didn’t die. Big Grin I’m gonna try a no death run in FL.

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Catherine Raymond
Catherine Raymond
Posts: 2518

6/14/2012
Catherine Raymond wrote:
I've "died" only once, and I don't think I had the opportunity to challenge the Boatman to chess before I managed to return to the land of the more-or-less living. ;-)


By the way, in answer to amaresu's question, I'm Dangerous 138, Watchful 139, Shadowy 130, Persuasive 130 and have been a POSI for some time. In addition to meeting the Boatman once, I have been back to New Newgate 2 or 3 times (and I'm trying to get back in because I accidentally ended my acquaintance with the Repentant Forger), and have been sent to the Tomb Colonies for Scandal about as many (once for delightful antics with the Acclaimed Beauty and the Barbed Wit). I've "popped" the Weasel/s once. I haven't gone mad yet, though.

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Rupho Schartenhauer
Rupho Schartenhauer
Posts: 787

6/14/2012
Really? I love the occasional chess game with the Boatman. It's the closest thing my character has to a "hobby" (besides killing Feducci once a month). I'm sure there's someone out there who died more often than me, and I haven't been counting, but I'd guess it must've been 20 times or more already. I never bother taking much care of my wounds. I equip the Horsehead Amulet when they hit 7, finish whatever important things I'm doing, and take off the amulet. By that time wounds are usually at 8 or 9, and I'm off to another relaxing boat trip on the Slow River. Really, I've come to like that place...

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Nigel Overstreet
Nigel Overstreet
Posts: 1220

6/14/2012
The first time I died was when I was Seeking the Name and it was honestly one of the most difficult decisions I've had to make in the game. It meant that my character could no longer go back to the Surface. Once he died, life in the Neath was final. Visiting relatives or starting over atop was no longer in the cards once you take that boat ride. I've honestly thought for a while that there should be some marker, like an Accomplishment or something, which denotes that you have died and are stuck here forever.

But if you've already died once, what's the harm in a few dozen more times. I'm saving up my Wounds for now in the hopes that one day I might be A Chequerboard Warrior!

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Nigel Overstreet
Nigel Overstreet
Posts: 1220

6/28/2012
streetfelineblue wrote:
The point about *SPOILER* London's shrinking populace is interesting though. Probably the newcomers from above (players) aren't enough to balance the ones who die permanently. But in that case it would become unclear how many survivor it would take to keep a city alive, as currently no city has ever been entirely without survivors - though the known total survivors from older cities amout to less than a dozen*SPOILER*. And again - both the notion that the number of fallen cities was preordained, and the general ominous feeling of the whole setting, makes me think of the end of a city more as the result of a catastrophic event than a slow fading into nothingness.

This is especially odd as the population of London boomed during the Victorian era, from about a million to about six million.
I only know this because it is in every single book about Victorian London ever written. It's a law or something.

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Twoflower
Twoflower
Posts: 264

6/29/2012
Also, I was thinking...we know that the Duchess and the Cantigaster have a son, who's a horrible abomination off the old block. As I really don't think this would be possible under any, ahem, normal means, do you think that the Masters had a hand (claw? tentacle?) in this?
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streetfelineblue
streetfelineblue
Posts: 1459

6/29/2012
The real problem here is it could actually be quite possible. Come think of it, we don't really know exactly the Cantigaster's anatomy. The main hindrance would be his high poisonousness, but the Duchess is almost surely immortal and quite possibly immune to it (it could be the reason why she personally milk him - or it could just be that she does so because she loves him, or both). AND, the son shows evidence of having being conceived AFTER the horrible change that affected the Cantigaster. There's also a daughter, seemingly perfectly normal and even quite attractive... It seems a long shot to postulate that she was born before the transformation; maybe she just resembles the mother more? Anyway, for horrible the Cantigaster may look, there's really no evidence that he can't somehow... Erm... You know, "get along". The implications are appalling.

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Abraham Bounty
Abraham Bounty
Posts: 251

7/28/2012
Recently I've begun avoiding The Boatman again. Every time I die, I wind up having to explain to him again how the horsey piece moves.

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Anathema
Anathema
Posts: 8

8/1/2012
Oh man I have met the boatman SO MANY TIMES. My character cares not a flip for death.


But then again my character is also a female automaton of mysterious origins. I figure that she just writes passing time off on the River as her self-test routines running while the auto-repair is finally kicking in. Humans have reptile brains lying deep beneath their consciousness, she has a chess algorithm, and it just kinda… spins for a while… when she's rebooting. She keeps on meaning to go hunting around the Bazaar Sidestreets for someone who can get that the auto-repair run more frequently but you know how it is - there's always something else to do when you've got an Ambition to chase.

Curiously enough, she's refused to let her demonic lovers persuade her to give up her soul, despite being pretty sure she's soulless. If she does have one, she's worried it might be all that keeps her from being a very elegant chess machine. She might feel different after discovering if she can actually bet it in the Marvellous.

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Sagacitas
Sagacitas
Posts: 9

8/1/2012
I avoided the boatman assiduously at the beginning, in order to preserve hopes of revisiting the surface... but then I made a bad decision when encountering a Spider-Council, and was summarily dispatched with a single blow. Since then, there doesn't seem to be much point in worrying further.
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atheistcanuck
atheistcanuck
Posts: 51

8/29/2012
the Nemesis ambition implies you got yourself shipped to the jail on purpose just to get into the Neath.

I think they'll probably just assume you died at some point, after all, how many people are going to make it to the endgame without dying, especially with how many people get bored and start Seeking the Name when they hit content boundaries.
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WormApotheote
WormApotheote
Posts: 725

4/16/2015
If you die on the surface you die for real.

So why would i want to go back there :P

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Endy
Endy
Posts: 278

6/14/2012
yeah, the chess is definitely fun and pretty decent in terms of CP/AP spent.

I just get bugged there are no wounds increasing items. Place has the most CP to work off :/
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Maddyanne
Maddyanne
Posts: 67

6/14/2012
I've avoided the Boatman also. *crosses fingers* Parthenia hasn't given up hope of returning to the Surface, if only to visit friends and to promote her gothic supernatural scientific romances.

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amaresu
amaresu
Posts: 209

6/14/2012
I used to avoid the Boatman (and other menaces) until one day I realized I'd spent all of my actions that day (under the old action cap) reducing menaces rather than doing anything else. That had been the only thing I did and it left me very unsatisfied. I had no role playing reason to avoid the areas of menace so I decided to stop worrying about it. The worst that happens is I spend 20 or so actions getting out a place, which is far less than the upwards of 80 actions I can spend avoiding it.

I would be interested in knowing just how far into the game people have managed to get without going to the various menace places.

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Urthdigger
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6/15/2012
This seemed somehow relevant:

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amaresu
amaresu
Posts: 209

6/28/2012
streetfelineblue wrote:
Valquinn wrote:
Tentatively, perhaps a city is replaced when its denizens do not care about commerce and all that the Bazaar personifies anymore... Order and chaos are here and there and it must continue to be so. If the city fare well, there is no reason for it to be replaced. It is hinted somewhere at the beginning of the game that the peculiarity of Londoners makes them to love the city; perhaps citizens of the previous cities were less that happy to live in the Neath...


I'm afraid it's not the citizens! I remember a storylet in which someone toasted to the Empress... Implying that she could doom us all. Maybe your intuition is right, but it is not the citizen's will that comes into play, but only the will of the people selling the city? We know from Heart's Desire Ambition that *SPOILER* the Manager of the Royal Bethlehem Hotel, when he was Priest-King (), sold the First City for the life of his lover, a traveller who was to become the King with a Hundred Hearts. Sometime afterwards, they parted ways; then again (don't know when), the Manager tried to regain the King's love by playing the Marvellous, he failed, and the King made him promise that he would never play the Marvellous again *SPOILER*. This makes me wonder if the pact that transfers a city in the Neath could kind of lose effectiveness if the love bond between the seller and saved should wain or disappear altogether, dooming the city and its denizens to a horrible fate, unless for the lucky few that manage to avoid it (possibily via being effectively immortal?).



I think not as *spoiler for information revealed at the end of the University storyline* the Duchess appears to still love the Castiger which would suggest otherwise. In the Affluent Photographer storyline the two are discussing the shrinking population of London. Despite the fact that death isn't permanent they mention that London appears to have lost as much as 25% of it's population. I think perhaps a city moves on once the population is used up? Whether they move to other parts of the Neath or what have you. It would seem to suggest that there is rather more to it.

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Valquinn
Valquinn
Posts: 8

6/28/2012
streetfelineblue wrote:
Valquinn wrote:
Tentatively, perhaps a city is replaced when its denizens do not care about commerce and all that the Bazaar personifies anymore... Order and chaos are here and there and it must continue to be so. If the city fare well, there is no reason for it to be replaced. It is hinted somewhere at the beginning of the game that the peculiarity of Londoners makes them to love the city; perhaps citizens of the previous cities were less that happy to live in the Neath...


I'm afraid it's not the citizens! I remember a storylet in which someone toasted to the Empress... Implying that she could doom us all. Maybe your intuition is right, but it is not the citizen's will that comes into play, but only the will of the people selling the city? We know from Heart's Desire Ambition that *SPOILER* the Manager of the Royal Bethlehem Hotel, when he was Priest-King (), sold the First City for the life of his lover, a traveller who was to become the King with a Hundred Hearts. Sometime afterwards, they parted ways; then again (don't know when), the Manager tried to regain the King's love by playing the Marvellous, he failed, and the King made him promise that he would never play the Marvellous again *SPOILER*. This makes me wonder if the pact that transfers a city in the Neath could kind of lose effectiveness if the love bond between the seller and saved should wain or disappear altogether, dooming the city and its denizens to a horrible fate, unless for the lucky few that manage to avoid it (possibily via being effectively immortal?).


Maybe you're right, the one who sold the city could doom us all if the pact is undone, but I remember the pact the Traitor Empress made was not for the sake of love, but for the life of her "love" Please edit my comment because I don't know how to hide a spoiler; but I've learned the Traitor Empress sold the city to save the life of her consort, who was terribly ill; so he gained immortality and became the Cantigaster. So I think the key would be to not kill him or (to the same effect) to not let anyone (not even the T Empress) kill him
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streetfelineblue
streetfelineblue
Posts: 1459

6/28/2012
amaresu wrote:
I think not as *spoiler for information revealed at the end of the University storyline* the Duchess appears to still love the Castiger which would suggest otherwise. In the Affluent Photographer storyline the two are discussing the shrinking population of London. Despite the fact that death isn't permanent they mention that London appears to have lost as much as 25% of it's population. I think perhaps a city moves on once the population is used up? Whether they move to other parts of the Neath or what have you. It would seem to suggest that there is rather more to it.


Just as *SPOILER* the Duchess loves the Cantigaster, the Manager still loves the King - only, his love is unrequited now. And the Duchess' love might be unrequited as well, if not because it is unclear whether the cantigaster is able to have any deep feelings at all, apart from the constant pain and suffering that only milking it of its venom can ease. I wonder if he's still conscious in there, and how much O_o Anyway, it seems possible that a love bond is considered severed when even only one lover changes his heart about it*SPOILER*.

The point about *SPOILER* London's shrinking populace is interesting though. Probably the newcomers from above (players) aren't enough to balance the ones who die permanently. But in that case it would become unclear how many survivor it would take to keep a city alive, as currently no city has ever been entirely without survivors - though the known total survivors from older cities amout to less than a dozen*SPOILER*. And again - both the notion that the number of fallen cities was preordained, and the general ominous feeling of the whole setting, makes me think of the end of a city more as the result of a catastrophic event than a slow fading into nothingness.

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Tyrconnell
Tyrconnell
Posts: 271

2/27/2020
I did not die until I had Cider. Coincidentally, The Shallows was released immediately after.

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Matthew Enigma
Matthew Enigma
Posts: 28

2/28/2020
Anneliese Lemieux wrote:
Estelle Knoht wrote:
Just checking to see how many delicious friends has never died once so far - I mean death by Wounds only.

I am beginning to worry that avoiding the boatman entirely might not be of any consequence in the long run, but I think I am going to stick to it no matter what. Even if you offer me an Overgoat just to meet the Boatman for small talk. Or the Cider.


I didn’t die. Big Grin I’m gonna try a no death run in FL.



Hear, hear! I've been in Fallen London for ~4,5 years and am proud to say I still haven't died (and don't ever plan to), despite making more than a few risky choices hehehe
edited by Matthew Enigma on 2/28/2020

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Neel Falas
Neel Falas
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3/2/2020
Neel tried to avoid dying...and then she, too, ran into Feducci. Or rather, he ran into her. With a lance.

Then she jumped off a Bazaar spire for the purposes of The Shallows.

Now she just needs to get herself some cider. An obliging fellow denizen has already given her a sip, but it can't hurt to have her own supply!

None of my other fine ladies have died yet. But it's only a matter of time for two of them.

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MrUnderhill89
MrUnderhill89
Posts: 123

3/7/2020
My main hasn't died yet, to my knowledge. Not even to Feducci or in the process of obtaining two Impossible Theorems. I imagine if I ever go back to the surface I might get a nasty sunburn as my stats go back to merely "almost" superhuman, but otherwise will be fine. First time I saw the Boatman was with my Seeking alt this year when I finally got around to taking it seriously. I'm not a very good Seeker, apparently.
edited by MrUnderhill89 on 3/7/2020

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Kukapetal
Kukapetal
Posts: 1449

12/5/2015
My character has only died once. He's usually good about looking after his wounds, but after having his soul stolen, he fell into a deep depression and stopped taking care of himself. As a result, attempting to protect an urchin from a deviless who was interested in doing the same thing resulted in a surprise trip to the river. He hadn't even noticed how injured he'd gotten up to that point.

He never wants to go back there either. It was terribly boring and the boatman is awful at chess. My character was able to beat him every time even though his chess strategy involves sticking the pieces up his nose.
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Grenem
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Posts: 2067

12/5/2015
Kukapetal wrote:
Grenem wrote:


Fair enough. I would claim it is a mere placebo effect, but perhaps it's an emotional reverberation that he since lost. Souls aren't some metaphysical essence, merely something that duplicates your expereinces with small smigeons of personality mixed in. Like i said, a journal of your life, tucked in some coat pocket of your body. or so the revolutionary pamphlets claim.


Wait, says who? Is this actual Fallen London lore or just your own speculation?

Also, what happened to the part where you talked about your characters? It sounded fascinating, even if it probably would make my own character's head explode :P
edited by Kukapetal on 12/5/2015

Well, in canon- [spoiler] souls are star spores, and are eaten by judgements, so if they are your afterlife-self, then there's no afterlife to be had. meanwhile, in whatever metaphysical realm the boatman appears in, you still arive there from a lethal wound, even when soulless. presumably, souls are eaten after death, so that'd imply their existence isn't tied to yours, either. There are lines about consuming them for experiences, which implies... souls do gather experiences. the fact that they can tell tales increases this. [/spoiler]

But you don't stop being you, when you lose a soul, and I've never met a soulless who was as bad as a jack, save jacks. So, souls aren't the core you, or if they are, they still leave large quantities of remnants of the orignal behind. they don't contail all morality, or anything similar. The devils mention a very short list of side effects, if a soul were key to yourself, and the game they play with souls seems to be based on improving them all, like a deity's purification done the hard way. And yes, it is a game, unless you really think it's that easy to rob devils.

There's some degree of paranoia/extrapolation, but i've never seen evidence that souls are like the church would claim they are, but i've seen a lot that implies they aren't.

A soul might be you, but in the same way a noman is you. lesser, inferior reflection stored in aether and fear.

of course, i'm very paranoid about the stars. it's no coincidence that the neath is the best place to live on earth that we know of.

the role-playing was dropped because it made it feel a lot more like raw fanon. specifically, what happened, though, was one of them- grenem or takuza- decided on a whim to drink a soul that wasn't theirs. canonically, this is probably completely pointless, and nearly always done by accident- devils playing shuffle the souls seems plausible, given text from oct.'s exptional story.

however it works, in this case something else happened. specfically, the "recording" began loading on the one with a body. or maybe they're just mad, it's always hard to tell with them. either way, they are convinced they have the memories and personality of someone else, and swap at the drop of a knife.

takuza is cold but polite and pleasant, while grenem is much rarer. either he doesn't speak at all, or he speaks in RANDOM capitalizations for emphasis. either way, he blathers about other sealed realms, that parabola touches, though it's far more likely he's just being messed with by something in the mirror.
edited by Grenem on 12/5/2015

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Deimos517
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12/7/2015
Well, in canon- [spoiler] souls are star spores, and are eaten by judgements... [/spoiler]
edited by Grenem on 12/5/2015

So the spirifer who hid her cache of souls in the Forgotten quarter wasn't quite so mad as I thought! This is an interesting bit of lore. Do you mind if I ask where you found it?

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John Savage
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11/13/2015
Well I feel better about a current storyline then. Mr. Savage has an opportunity to battle whatever it is in the heart of the sorrow-spider den. The "this story will end when it, or you, are dead" had me a touch worried. Never been dead before, wasn't sure he would like it.

Now I can go confidently knowing that death only changes the story :-)

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Zareen Bakara
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11/13/2015
Curious Foreigner wrote:
This attitude towards the boatman seems dreadfully pedestrian.
Fear of death? Bah. Are we surfacers? No! We are Neathers blessed with limited immortality, and it would be a shame not to use that for the occasional fatal indulgence.

Ah, but some of us want to return to the Surface one day. Zareen has avoided meeting the Boatman for just that reason. A few of my more careless alts have taken the trip and it's an interesting one. I like all the menace areas, though I think the Mirror Marches is the most intriguing.

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Xane Al-Rahibi
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11/13/2015
I haven't died yet, but maybe that's just because I keep getting Horsehead Amulets from my Forgotten Quarter expeditions.

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