Helen Demeter
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4/2/2014
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"Many" Chin wrote:
imo, if the players(us) wants to "save" london or rather save the human inhabitants, they SHOULD seek the liberation of night! the LoN destinies pretty much force everyone to flee back to the surface, which saves them from the other possible endings that end in the destruction of london in one way or the other.
From my understanding of the Liberation, it seeks to rid of all the sources of light including the Surface's lights. The destiny that allows you to get the Oath (the one that has 'You will be true' text) ends with you and your beloved having knowledge what the 'Device' does and vowing to keep the surface 'illuminated.' Meaning that some members of the Council want to get rid of cosmic laws of both the 'Neath and the Surface.
(I say 'some' since its clear what February wants to do at this point. December just wants to end the strange circumstances of death here. ((Also bad for some people but it isn't as destructive and cruel compared to the Liberation from my understanding.)) April is apparently ruthless but nothing else is said on the matter of what they want. March is just… giving out coffee.)
Liberation of Night also ends up killing a slew of people in the wake of the device, trap even more people in darkness-riddled London for good since most have died and returned from the boat. So if they leave they end up dying all over again. Only for good. So I think I'll be sticking to my general thought of 'Liberation of Night = Bad, February = Scary. Amazing but Scary' for now.
Frankly it looks like the destiny of London is stuck between a rock and a hard place with what can happen to it.
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Trodgmey
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4/3/2014
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I haven't gone down the Calendar Council content yet, but as far as my character is concerned -- well, no. My character is a quiet, reserved individual, more given to scientific exploration and the geography of the Neath than to be concerned with the affairs of the Masters, and you be sure to tell them that if they come asking... but...
The Liberation of Night would be an improvement on the current state of affairs, but it's the wrong solution. We know that Masters can die. My character, if he had such thoughts, which he doesn't, sees killing them off one at a time to be a far better option. If the Bazaar's tyranny remains, then we'll deal with it in due time. If that fails, well, let the LoN rip. Far better than to let the Bazaar continue to consume cities until the the seventh jewel hits the necklace and consigns us all to a doom worse than death.
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"Many" Chin
Posts: 383
4/5/2014
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i think i have a new personal ambition now. i will advance the liberation of night! who's with me? i need the candles to advance the affair of the box anyhoo
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Professor Nym
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4/5/2014
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The Liberation of Night, as I understand it, is the end of the world. Killing the Bazaar is the warm up; the real goal is to plunge the entire universe into unending darkness and chaos. "Free of light and law," indeed.
I'm rather baffled anyone could think that sounds like an improvement. Much less a hobby.
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Snowskeeper
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4/5/2014
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(Viva la Jovial Contrarian.)
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He Who Watches
Posts: 15
4/5/2014
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Professor Nym wrote:
The Liberation of Night, as I understand it, is the end of the world. Killing the Bazaar is the warm up; the real goal is to plunge the entire universe into unending darkness and chaos. "Free of light and law," indeed.
I'm rather baffled anyone could think that sounds like an improvement. Much less a hobby.
We could betray the revolutionaries after they killed the Bazaar but before the unending darkness and chaos.
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Snowskeeper
Posts: 575
4/5/2014
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He Who Watches wrote:
Professor Nym wrote:
The Liberation of Night, as I understand it, is the end of the world. Killing the Bazaar is the warm up; the real goal is to plunge the entire universe into unending darkness and chaos. "Free of light and law," indeed.
I'm rather baffled anyone could think that sounds like an improvement. Much less a hobby.
We could betray the revolutionaries after they killed the Bazaar but before the unending darkness and chaos.
You're assuming that one doesn't lead directly into the other. And that one person is capable of stopping the process on their own.
Don't get me wrong; I'm not judging anyone who chooses to support the Liberation of Night. I'm still hoping we get a Become Jack-of-Smiles Permanently ending. But once the LoN happens, London is pretty much done (the Bazaar dies after the lights go out, not before), and we're going to have a /very/ hard time stopping the revs from doing the same to the Surface.
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Diptych
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4/5/2014
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Considering all that it's hinted that the Bazaar might do to London - the melting, the crushing, the who-knows-what-else - I'm thinking our best bet is to find some sort of third option, some game-changer.
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Snowskeeper
Posts: 575
4/5/2014
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Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
Considering all that it's hinted that the Bazaar might do to London - the melting, the crushing, the who-knows-what-else - I'm thinking our best bet is to find some sort of third option, some game-changer.
My money's on something involving Mr Fires. He likes London quite a bit, and doesn't seem the sort to sit idly by while something he likes is ruined.
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Pyrodinium
Posts: 639
4/5/2014
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Snowskeeper wrote:
Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
Considering all that it's hinted that the Bazaar might do to London - the melting, the crushing, the who-knows-what-else - I'm thinking our best bet is to find some sort of third option, some game-changer.
My money's on something involving Mr Fires. He likes London quite a bit, and doesn't seem the sort to sit idly by while something he likes is ruined.
That's a good point. Mr Fires might not like it when the lights of his domain (coal,candles etc.) are doused.
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"Many" Chin
Posts: 383
4/5/2014
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Snowskeeper wrote:
(Viva la Jovial Contrarian.)
you poor oppressed tool!
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Snowskeeper
Posts: 575
4/5/2014
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"Many" Chin wrote:
Snowskeeper wrote:
(Viva la Jovial Contrarian.)
you poor oppressed tool!
[spoiler]The Jovial Contrarian is a revolutionary. He just doesn't think that "Blow everything up and let God sort them out" is the best way to bring about change.[/spoiler]
edited by Snowskeeper on 4/5/2014
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Trodgmey
Posts: 164
4/5/2014
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Again, we've probably not all seen the same content, but I ended up with the "Gleam" destiny, which details pretty clearly what life is like post-LoN. It's not the end of the world or the cosmos, it's just the end of all light, except in deep corners where the Device didn't reach. Life is very much hard and under siege, but it goes on.
I'm not convinced the Device is the best solution, but my character isn't about to just let the Masters go on stealing and the Bazaar go on digesting people until the world is consumed.
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Trodgmey
Posts: 164
4/5/2014
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To wit: http://fallenlondon.storynexus.com/Profile/Trodgmey?fromEchoId=2748560
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Snowskeeper
Posts: 575
4/5/2014
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Trodgmey wrote:
Again, we've probably not all seen the same content, but I ended up with the "Gleam" destiny, which details pretty clearly what life is like post-LoN. It's not the end of the world or the cosmos, it's just the end of all light, except in deep corners where the Device didn't reach. Life is very much hard and under siege, but it goes on.
I'm not convinced the Device is the best solution, but my character isn't about to just let the Masters go on stealing and the Bazaar go on digesting people until the world is consumed.
The "Blow them up and let God sort them out" bit wasn't in reference to the LoN, but light, including sunlight, is sort of necessary for human life at this stage in our development. By trying to destroy all light, they're trying to destroy human civilization and all the humans in it. I have yet to see any sign that they have a plan to preserve humanity.
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He Who Watches
Posts: 15
4/5/2014
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Snowskeeper wrote:
He Who Watches wrote:
Professor Nym wrote:
The Liberation of Night, as I understand it, is the end of the world. Killing the Bazaar is the warm up; the real goal is to plunge the entire universe into unending darkness and chaos. "Free of light and law," indeed.
I'm rather baffled anyone could think that sounds like an improvement. Much less a hobby.
We could betray the revolutionaries after they killed the Bazaar but before the unending darkness and chaos.
You're assuming that one doesn't lead directly into the other. And that one person is capable of stopping the process on their own.
Don't get me wrong; I'm not judging anyone who chooses to support the Liberation of Night. I'm still hoping we get a Become Jack-of-Smiles Permanently ending. But once the LoN happens, London is pretty much done (the Bazaar dies after the lights go out, not before), and we're going to have a /very/ hard time stopping the revs from doing the same to the Surface.
At the moment we know virtually nothing about the Device. As we work with them we'll learn more. If the death of the Bazaar and the destruction of surface lights are inseparable then perhaps I'll pull out. At the moment the Great Work looks like our best chance to kill the bazaar, it is to good an opportunity to ignore. London is a small price to pay to stop the Bazaar, if we do nothing it will obliterate London, the 6th city, the 7th city, and perhaps the entire planet.Snowskeeper wrote:
Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
Considering all that it's hinted that the Bazaar might do to London - the melting, the crushing, the who-knows-what-else - I'm thinking our best bet is to find some sort of third option, some game-changer.
My money's on something involving Mr Fires. He likes London quite a bit, and doesn't seem the sort to sit idly by while something he likes is ruined. If that is an option I'm not sure what I'd do, Mr Fires is my most hated master.
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MidnightVoyager
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4/6/2014
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He Who Watches wrote:
Snowskeeper wrote:
He Who Watches wrote:
Professor Nym wrote:
The Liberation of Night, as I understand it, is the end of the world. Killing the Bazaar is the warm up; the real goal is to plunge the entire universe into unending darkness and chaos. "Free of light and law," indeed.
I'm rather baffled anyone could think that sounds like an improvement. Much less a hobby.
We could betray the revolutionaries after they killed the Bazaar but before the unending darkness and chaos.
You're assuming that one doesn't lead directly into the other. And that one person is capable of stopping the process on their own.
Don't get me wrong; I'm not judging anyone who chooses to support the Liberation of Night. I'm still hoping we get a Become Jack-of-Smiles Permanently ending. But once the LoN happens, London is pretty much done (the Bazaar dies after the lights go out, not before), and we're going to have a /very/ hard time stopping the revs from doing the same to the Surface.
At the moment we know virtually nothing about the Device. As we work with them we'll learn more. If the death of the Bazaar and the destruction of surface lights are inseparable then perhaps I'll pull out. At the moment the Great Work looks like our best chance to kill the bazaar, it is to good an opportunity to ignore. London is a small price to pay to stop the Bazaar, if we do nothing it will obliterate London, the 6th city, the 7th city, and perhaps the entire planet.Snowskeeper wrote:
Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
Considering all that it's hinted that the Bazaar might do to London - the melting, the crushing, the who-knows-what-else - I'm thinking our best bet is to find some sort of third option, some game-changer.
My money's on something involving Mr Fires. He likes London quite a bit, and doesn't seem the sort to sit idly by while something he likes is ruined. If that is an option I'm not sure what I'd do, Mr Fires is my most hated master.
It's pretty explicit (in one of the destinies) that they're going to go for all light in the universe after they take out the Bazaar. They're trying to kill the Judgements.
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Professor Nym
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4/6/2014
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Here's the relevant entry. Their ambitions are definitely bigger than the Bazaar. "The cosmos will yet be free of light and law."
Sends a chill up my spine, at least.
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Theus
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4/6/2014
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I'm afraid there is no saving London. I wouldn't worry about the rest of the world, though. There are two more cities in the plan, which spans perhaps centuries, and then the Bazaar and the Masters depart. Surely man, if left to his own devices, will do no better than the destruction of two large cities over the next couple centuries.
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Pyrodinium
Posts: 639
4/6/2014
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I have a lofty proposition:
1. We wrest the device from the Revolutionaries. 2. Learn the machine's needs and how it works and Irrigo the Rev's that knows how to make/use it.
3. Overpower the masters and their cronies and imprison them within the Bazaar.
4. Encase the Bazaar (and the Calendar council for good measure  ) within walls of rock and cement (it seems that thick walls prevent the Device's power from spreading.)
5. Put the device within the wall (with a timed mega-explosive that will go off after a few weeks) and activate it.
6. Have the final door/slab closed before the Device goes full power.
7. Wait until the Bazaar dies then Kaboom! Bazaar, Masters and LoN are gone. Problem solved.
8. ????
9. Profit!
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