 Dawson Posts: 137
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It's not to say that it's a bad tactic. There's certainly something to be said for being able to make several actions at once, as I'm learning. Merely if one would rather tokens quickly, felt sure that they would succeed in their attacks, then I think it better to play as they come.
It depends, I think, on who your opponents are.
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 Corran Posts: 401
4/8/2013
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I want 3,200 scraps a lot more than Knife & Candle wins so I'm using the lodgings cards for the former.
I also find giving up Connections to be a waste so I only use the Soft-Hearted Widow card to attack.
And to no great succes so far.
It's hard to see how you could make Knife & Candle more than a game of rock, paper, shotgun. It would get rather involved with a multi-stage card/storylet to get some real strategy in.
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 Spacemarine9 Posts: 2234
4/8/2013
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at the minute the only attacks available are the simple ones: the implication is that more complex things will be introduced later on down the line
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 Aximillio Posts: 1251
4/8/2013
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Corran, may I ask what you use the Criminals card on then? Does this mean I'm not the only one who bare-knuckle fight?
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 Lady Red Posts: 517
4/8/2013
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I'm looking forward to things getting a little more tactical, but it's still a welcome diversion right now - something to do other than grinding! I like the little flutter of excitement when I attack and wonder if I've won a token or not.
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 Aspeon Posts: 311
4/9/2013
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Also: this business of changing to the Night-Lamp form as a "defense" I find equally bizarre. The likelihood of winning against an attacker actually seems more slim this way: it's been my experience at least that almost everyone uses an attack-heavy form and that very few people actually do change their form often. Since the Night-Lamp offers no protection from an attack of this kind, it seems to be a better strategy to just stick to your guns and hope to draw as many attacks as possible, rather than wasting cards trying to confuse people who probably won't change their strategy regardless. One might still, at least force a 50/50 if the opponent attacks with your stat.
Do we know if the attack resolution is a Broad check? If it is (with difficulty scaler 50 because of even odds), Night-Lamp means nobody can get better than a 110/80 * 50 = 68.75% chance of defeating you at an attack. The other forms all have a 60, which when attacked with a 110 is defeated 91.7% of the time. (83.3% for 100 vs. 60, if you're Egg Imponderable and not worried about anyone with a Shroud coming after you.)
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 travellersside Posts: 288
4/9/2013
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It would make an interesting research project. We'd need a public spreadsheet for people to add stats to.
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 Saharan Posts: 247
4/9/2013
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One must wonder, if there are more attacks per day than players gaining a token per day, how long would it last before there were very few (or only one) non-eliminated players? Perhaps when only one remains, then would the season end.
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 Sara Hysaro Moderator Posts: 4514
4/9/2013
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One must wonder, if there are more attacks per day than players gaining a token per day, how long would it last before there were very few (or only one) non-eliminated players? Perhaps when only one remains, then would the season end.
There's a couple people out there who have tokens, but have not adopted forms. Thus, it'd be pretty much impossible to eliminate everyone (especially if some people send a token to an alt just to ensure they can get back in the game).
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 Dawson Posts: 137
4/9/2013
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Aspeon wrote:
Do we know if the attack resolution is a Broad check? If it is (with difficulty scaler 50 because of even odds), Night-Lamp means nobody can get better than a 110/80 * 50 = 68.75% chance of defeating you at an attack. The other forms all have a 60, which when attacked with a 110 is defeated 91.7% of the time. (83.3% for 100 vs. 60, if you're Egg Imponderable and not worried about anyone with a Shroud coming after you.)
I'm actually working under the assumption that the stats work, as some have been putting it, in a simple rock/paper/scissors fashion; where the highest stat always wins (and a tie leads to 50/50). I can't confirm this, of course, but it's consistent with my experience so far.
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 Saharan Posts: 247
4/9/2013
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Dawson wrote:
Aspeon wrote:
Do we know if the attack resolution is a Broad check? If it is (with difficulty scaler 50 because of even odds), Night-Lamp means nobody can get better than a 110/80 * 50 = 68.75% chance of defeating you at an attack. The other forms all have a 60, which when attacked with a 110 is defeated 91.7% of the time. (83.3% for 100 vs. 60, if you're Egg Imponderable and not worried about anyone with a Shroud coming after you.) I'm actually working under the assumption that the stats work, as some have been putting it, in a simple rock/paper/scissors fashion; where the highest stat always wins (and a tie leads to 50/50). I can't confirm this, of course, but it's consistent with my experience so far. To quote the rules: "when you are evenly matched against a defender, the odds are even.". I'd say that also points to a simple stat check.
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 Sara Hysaro Moderator Posts: 4514
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Dawson wrote:
I'm actually working under the assumption that the stats work, as some have been putting it, in a simple rock/paper/scissors fashion; where the highest stat always wins (and a tie leads to 50/50). I can't confirm this, of course, but it's consistent with my experience so far.
Nope, definitely not. A friend had the Spiralled Shadow form, while I had the Night-Clawed Bat form. I attacked him using my Savage score, and he emerged victorious.
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 Dawson Posts: 137
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Saharan wrote:
To quote the rules: "when you are evenly matched against a defender, the odds are even.". I'd say that also points to a simple stat check.
I'm afraid not. The odds would be 50/50 regardless of how fancy the math is. [ i.e. (50/50) * 50 = 50% chance of winning] And since Ms Hysaro has offered a counter-example, I'm afraid it looks to be the fancy math after all.
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 Aximillio Posts: 1251
4/9/2013
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Personally, I expect it's a broad(50%) challenge against the opponent's level or so. I've lost several times with level 100 in a stat. Sara Hysaro's example would give (100/80)50% or a 62.5% chance of success, if this is the case.
Just so it's said - this means there will always be a chance of failure, since 100+10 (Bonus item)/60 is less than 2 edited by Aximillio on 4/9/2013
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 Tyler Posts: 50
4/10/2013
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Possible strategy, I can't get knocked out of the game cause my wounds are high enough I'll go to the river before I lose my tokens?
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 Spacemarine9 Posts: 2234
4/10/2013
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A serious brush with Death will remove all of your tokens. Just nobody knows what a serious brush with Death IS, because you don't lose tokens on regular death.
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 Tyler Posts: 50
4/10/2013
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Well I died to a storylet and lost all my tokens. *seemed to be a regular death a it was a wound I took that brought my total to 8* edited by Tyler on 4/10/2013
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 Spacemarine9 Posts: 2234
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well dang i got word from at least three people that death was pretty much safe, but maybe it's something to do with getting to Wounds 8 rather than dying by other means
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 Tyler Posts: 50
4/10/2013
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Or it could be chance based? *update* I didn't get kicked out of the game, just lost all my tokens. I received a new one during my daily token time putting me at 1 token. edited by Tyler on 4/10/2013
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 Owen Wulf Posts: 715
4/10/2013
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The game in question is chance based, sort of like Rock-Paper-Scissors but the Scissors will occasionally crack the Rock and so on and so on.
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