Kade Carrion (an_ocelot)
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1/10/2014
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I play FL as an ocelot of mysterious and indistinct gender because I liked the option when I signed up. I carried the non-specifying of gender over to the forum partly as an experiment, but I'm tired of people not noticing my old .sig and gendering me (and always and only male, which is interesting and more than a little depressing), so:
.sig changed, cis female here, use female pronouns and forms of address if absolutely necessary, thank you kindly.
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Flyte
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Posts: 671
1/11/2014
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George Maddux wrote:
I agree there's somewhat a problem of gender assumption going on, but I do somewhat blame the English language for not having gender neutral pronouns. But we do! Singular they is a perfectly good alternative to making unwarranted assumptions about the gender of others; do not believe the proponents of certain factitious style guides. Here is what linguist Geoffrey Pullum has to say about it:Avoid singular they if you want to; nobody is making you use it. But don't ever think that it is new (it goes back to early English centuries ago), or that it is illogical (there is no logical conflict between being syntactically singular and semantically plural), or that it is ungrammatical (it is used by the finest writers who ever used English, writers who uncontroversially knew what they were doing).
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Nathanael S. Wells
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1/11/2014
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My pronouns are Correspondence sigils.
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Alexander Feld
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1/11/2014
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I, too, chose the "other" option when selecting genders mostly because I liked that it existed. It is an unfortunate truth that people will default to male when gender is not known, even when anthropomorphizing otherwise genderless and sexless objects. I find it best just not to presume, particularly on the internet. Despite what many people believe, women do actually exist on the internet, and in significant quantities, at that
Personally, I do consider myself agendered, but use male pronouns for convenience's sake. I am no man*, nor am I a woman; but that does not mean I am nothing.
I'm glad you posted this, m'lady ocelot. On that note... do you have any advice on what formal terms of address one may use for a woman that don't sound patronizing, or are otherwise unacceptable? 'Lady' without the 'm' often sounds sarcastic, 'Madam' is slang for... well, Sinning Jenny, 'Miss' and associated things fall prey to the unfortunate 'marriage-divide' thing, and even 'Ma'am' is apparently received by some as a slight to their age.
...Really, it's hard to find many words that are appropriate, since all the existing ones tend to acquire negative connotations by way of having been used by prejudiced people for hundreds of years. There is 'Ms.', of course, but I find it to be rather too clipped for a lot of situations, and it's always good to have synonyms. 'M'Lady' barely scrapes by due to its hopelessly antiquated nature, and even then I can see it being taken as merely a sort of ironic obsequiousness.
*I do occasionally refer to myself as a man, but only when dramatically appropriate, or when the amount of linguistic contortions required to do otherwise are particularly egregious.
edited by Alexander Feld on 1/11/2014
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Alexander Feld
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1/11/2014
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an_ocelot wrote:
To avoid the problem, I hereby declare you all on a first-name basis with me (unless I'm mad at you, in which case I often jump several levels of formality, but in that case you'd know).
Very well then, uh... an. 
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George Maddux
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1/11/2014
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I agree there's somewhat a problem of gender assumption going on, but I do somewhat blame the English language for not having gender neutral pronouns.
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dragonridingsorceress
Posts: 622
1/11/2014
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an_ocelot wrote:
"thanks man"
I'm not sure "thanks man" is always an assumption of gender. I have been told "Thanks Man" in face-to-face conversation - the "Man" is just used as a placeholder, like "Mate".
The fact that "man" is considered appropriate for both genders is interesting, and an example of the men-as-default-women-as-alternate trope. Or just the fact that masculinity is lauded while markers of femininity are considered belittling.
I actually like to assume that everyone on the internet is female unless there are obvious clues that they prefer to be considered male. With 51% of the world's population being female, I feel that statistically, I am more likely to be correct. (Not that I always manage it, of course - socially constructed norms continually reinforce the men-as-default narrative.)
ETA: Would "My dear delicious ocelot" be considered an acceptable form of greeting?
edited by dragonridingsorceress on 1/11/2014
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