I wonder about the daughter of the Bazaar.

[spoiler]I put some stock in the theory that the Lorn-Flukes are failed Bazaars, and this is why they have such a jealous hate towards it; this, the lacre, the Dark-Carapaced and Gilded Crustaceans, as well as the Bazaar having a dark carapace itself, all leads me to believe that the Baazarine lifeform as it occurs between stars is something reminiscent of marine biology - its spires perhaps similar to the spines we see on the artwork of the Flukes.

How would its offspring be a mountain? Perhaps in coupling with the Sun, it bore a -- no, that doesn't make any sense. I'm probably thinking in the wrong direction.[/spoiler]

Apocyanic being associated with doubt makes the most sense for now, I believe.

Nathanael S. Wells wrote:

I wonder about the daughter of the Bazaar.

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Apocyanic being associated with doubt makes the most sense for now, I believe.

I was led in that direction of thought by the 'Wandering Mountain'* being called the Bazaar's grand-daughter.

*I think? It was in one of the new dreams.

The best repository on here for previous cities is this massive thread (I just realized we no longer get e-mail updates, and that I've fallen behind on it):

http://community.failbettergames.com/topic23-fallen-cities-a-great-many-spoilers.aspx

As the title says, consider the entire thread spoiler-wrapped.

Because of timing issues with the first city and the messy family history of Akhenaten, I kind of don't *want* Amarna to be the second city, but there are very good reasons to think it is. (If it is Amarna, it effectively requires that Failbetter was very sloppy with their chronologies at multiple points and have already had to and will continue to have to throw oddball fixes at it.) My darkhorse option is Meroe, which would be a really fun wildcard thrown in by Failbetter, but so little is known about Meroe it's very hard to validate much of it.

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I don't have my notes handy at the moment, but I feel like a combination of some second-hand Mr. Eaten notes (I am not a seeker) and some Cave of the Nadir things mentioned the "god eaters." From the above fallen cities thread, there's good evidence that Mr. Eaten was actually drowned in the third city (if speculation there holds, in the Great Cenote of Chichen Itza, the gate to Xibalba, the Mayan underworld). We know from the Fidgeting Writer plot that the three rulers of the fallen Third City are themselves effectively trapped in a cave, perpetually starving.

From the Vake hunting ambition, it's clear that the Second City pulled off some coup over the Bazaar, which was only ruined by something that the Third City did that ruined the plan. I don't know how to connect all these dots, but I will just throw in that I am about 98% certain that the Third City is Chichen Itza and that the Great Cenote plays the key roles mentioned above, which I think helps center some things.
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theodor_gylden wrote:

May I ask what timing issues in particular you see? I remember there being some fuss over First City coins, but the Numismatrix confirmed that their connection to the First City is more metaphysical than material. (If you've not seen that bit of text yet, try Spending Secrets and Counting the Days.)

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I recognize that there are a lot of pieces that line up with Amarna, but compared to the downright awesome references and historical tie-ins in the latter three cities, this one just seems really weak.


I will say, however, that if Amarna is the Second City, and all of my concerns about the timing of the First City are unfounded, put me down for the King With a Hundred Hearts being Enkidu and the Manager of the Royal Beth being Gilgamesh. That would likely make the First City be Uruk, although the riddle of the Eye Temple would remain...