Krayven
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12/8/2013
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I just came across this new snippet, when converting a batch of Mourning Candles into Patent Scrutinisers.
"You have minutely advanced the Liberation of Night."
The rollover text is:
[spoiler]Knowingly or not, you have contributed to the Great Work[/spoiler]
Anyone else had this, or things seemingly related, pop up via certain actions? (I'd assume it would be actions related to the revolutionaries, or other 'Luminosity' conversions)
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Someone has to appreciate the Dostoevsky levels of suffering these writers can create. I'm still hoping the last installment of Nemesis forces me to choose between resurrecting my spouse and enacting revenge, so I can make the wrong choice and live in misery.
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Charlotte_de_Witte
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I think I see where you are going with this....
[spoiler]
....and then just as the lights blink out all over London, Mr Eaten jumps from a well, punches you on the nose and steals away all you items and stats... he rides away triumphant on the back of your Heptagoat, quaffing your firkin of Hesperidean Cider in one thirsty gulp. As you lie there in the pitch dark a hundred starveling cats descend on your prone body. After the screams finally fade all that could then be heard echoing through the Neath was sound of a great laughing Tiger...
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I think everyone would be best pleased if a new storylet appeared titled Halt the Liberation of Night, and then increased the quality tenfold when you clicked it.
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Passionario
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Ember wrote:
Of course, the Calendar Council have their eyes set on the "liberation" of the entire cosmos. What might have to be sacrificed to prevent that, I wonder?
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Sara Hysaro
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12/8/2013
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I guess I'm not converting Luminosity on my main anymore! At least I'm not in any need of doing so.
Edit: Whoa, two rare successes in a row on an alt to see this quality. Anyways, it seems as if the lower tiers don't give the quality (or at least not the Wax -> Scarab didn't). It's also a circumstance, so it's just a new Adrift in a Sea of Misery thing as far as I can tell...not sure if we'll be able to reduce it. Be careful~ I could see it one day being used to determine how tough a challenge is while trying to stop the Liberation of Night.
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Karaeir
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Blackleaf wrote:
Dr. Hieronymous Alloy wrote:
Allanon Kisigar wrote:
It wasn't there when I foolishly sold them the location before Hallowmas. After I found out what the Liberation of Night MEANT, though, so much regret.
It's not like the other Destiny alternatives were much better, though. Without the liberation it appears that everyone in FL basically gets consumed by the Bazaar. The Liberation of Night may not be great, but it's better than a lot of the alternatives. The only really wholly hopeful Destiny seemed to be "Revelation", and it was ambiguous.
Speak for yourself. Some of us are gonna survive in Parabola thanks to our wits.
Well, I'd say we still have quite a while before the Bazaar takes another city. So "normal" citizens are going to be long dead at this point (as dying in the Neath is hard but not impossible), and I much prefer dying as an old person under benevolent rule of the Masters to getting violently murdered in the darkness. Of course we - the players probably don't need to worry (except for the Seekers, but their life expectancy isn't great anyway), as we are all "Special Snowflakes" and have our tickets to Parabola/Hell/farawayfromhere ready.
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Dr. Hieronymous Alloy wrote:
Allanon Kisigar wrote:
It wasn't there when I foolishly sold them the location before Hallowmas. After I found out what the Liberation of Night MEANT, though, so much regret.
It's not like the other Destiny alternatives were much better, though. Without the liberation it appears that everyone in FL basically gets consumed by the Bazaar. The Liberation of Night may not be great, but it's better than a lot of the alternatives. The only really wholly hopeful Destiny seemed to be "Revelation", and it was ambiguous.
Speak for yourself. Some of us are gonna survive in Parabola thanks to our wits.
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Laluzi
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Yeah, I got it from converting beetles to memories. D: Unhappy about this. Seriously, screw those guys. Hopefully I'll be able to reduce this quality by screwing them over in the future.
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Gillsing
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Dr. Hieronymous Alloy wrote:
It's not like the other Destiny alternatives were much better, though. Without the liberation it appears that everyone in FL basically gets consumed by the Bazaar. The Liberation of Night may not be great, but it's better than a lot of the alternatives. The only really wholly hopeful Destiny seemed to be "Revelation", and it was ambiguous. Meh. I don't know what people are so upset about. Isn't it just light going away forever? Down where the Lorn-Flukes are it's already dark. We'll be just fine, I'm sure. Yes, them and I. Can't speak for the rest of you. 
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Malgorath
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Gillsing wrote:
Meh. I don't know what people are so upset about. Isn't it just light going away forever? Down where the Lorn-Flukes are it's already dark. We'll be just fine, I'm sure. Yes, them and I. Can't speak for the rest of you.
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Kittenpox
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Charlotte_de_Witte wrote:
I suppose not, although removing dangerously seditious literature from circulating the streets might help a little? There's not really another category I can see geared towards helping out the authorities.
I rather like the idea that to properly set back LoN you would have to make the sacrifice of compromising some more liberal sensibilities. Cracking down on all anti-authoritarian forces, even the wonderful hedonistic bohemian ones, and so becoming as much an unwitting pawn of the Ministry/Constables as you may have been for the Revolutionaries. To save London from LoN you would have to let it become entwined even deeper and more helplessly into the schemes of Masters, and live with the consequences... In any case it should never be an easy choice to make. Where would be the fun in that? 
This sounds an awful lot like a good idea for a (repeatable!) Fate-locked storyline. :-D
Plus if they make it so the entry storylet doesn't appear unless you already have LoN over a certain threshold, it means that by the time you're able to access it you've already aided in its progress. Maybe make it show up as a rare Opportunity card with a high-ish LoN prerequisite?
(As I'm writing this, I keep thinking - but what if the story branches, and you have the option to shut down the revolutionaries with your trusty Neddy stick, or further their cause by doing something more *direct* than just handing over shiny bugs? :-D It would probably need a separate LoN tracker for that storyline, but yeah.)
In hindsight, it would be a lot of work for something few players would get to access, so this is probably not gonna happen - certainly not before SMEN. But if they decide to explore the LoN stuff in Fallen London more thoroughly, it's an idea. :-)
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I think everyone would be best pleased if a new storylet appeared titled Halt the Liberation of Night, and then increased the quality tenfold when you clicked it.
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You've read my mind, except you missed the epilogue in which he insults NSA staff from your twitter account.
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dov
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I've suggested long ago that as a balance to increasing the Liberation of Night which comes from converting Luminosity items, there should be a message of a small setback to the LoN when converting Nostalgia items.
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TheThirdPolice wrote:
Someone has to appreciate the Dostoevsky levels of suffering these writers can create. I'm still hoping the last installment of Nemesis forces me to choose between resurrecting my spouse and enacting revenge, so I can make the wrong choice and live in misery.
Somehow, I don't think FBG has that in mind, though I suppose that could implement that as an option when they revive Seeking Mr. Eaten. :-)
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TheThirdPolice
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Catherine Raymond wrote:
TheThirdPolice wrote:
Somehow, I don't think FBG has that in mind, though I suppose that could implement that as an option when they revive Seeking Mr. Eaten. :-)
Perhaps if I post on the forums enough the idea will enter someone's mind. One can dream.
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Charlotte_de_Witte wrote:
I think I see where you are going with this....
[spoiler]
....and then just as the lights blink out all over London, Mr Eaten jumps from a well, punches you on the nose and steals away all you items and stats... he rides away triumphant on the back of your Heptagoat, quaffing your firkin of Hesperidean Cider in one thirsty gulp. As you lie there in the pitch dark a hundred starveling cats descend on your prone body. After the screams finally fade all that could then be heard echoing through the Neath was sound of a great laughing Tiger...
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TheThirdPolice wrote:
I think everyone would be best pleased if a new storylet appeared titled Halt the Liberation of Night, and then increased the quality tenfold when you clicked it.
edited by Charlotte_de_Witte on 1/13/2016
TheThirdPolice wrote:
Someone has to appreciate the Dostoevsky levels of suffering these writers can create. I'm still hoping the last installment of Nemesis forces me to choose between resurrecting my spouse and enacting revenge, so I can make the wrong choice and live in misery.
(Unfortunately, somebody does. An Author.
Snow reads this, shudders and...oh good Lord....)
Great, you just caused Snow Belie a relapse trigger in her Hedonistic Addiction! She was doing so well in her Correspondent Training...Oh for the love of...Fecund Amber does not have an entry point or proboscis to enter somebody Snow...somebody call the Ministry again!
Oh right, this topic.
It has to be something similar to the Cat and Mouse method: Where once it's in the beginning, the cost for success over luck is also low, but scales to larger and larger costs once the end is near.
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There's simply no pleasing some people! 
TheThirdPolice wrote:
You've read my mind, except you missed the epilogue in which he insults NSA staff from your twitter account.
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I was just re-reading the 'Gunpowder and Zeal' card, and I really think 'Thwart a Revolutionary operation from the inside' should decrease your LoN value just a little (perhaps through an extra option with an increased cost for leaving the Revolutionaries?) Perhaps there could also be an option to sell the location of the Cave of the Nadir to the Constables to give you a large decrease in LoN.
Obviously as we don't yet know what the value does in practical terms (if ever it will do anything) decreasing it may be totally pointless, but it would be good if it was possible to help thwart LoN just a little (for some no doubt other terrible price - eg. You have 'Marginally helped to complete the Dawn Machine', or you have 'Have lowered Paris by 1 cm' - that kind of thing )
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dov wrote:
I've suggested long ago that as a balance to increasing the Liberation of Night which comes from converting Luminosity items, there should be a message of a small setback to the LoN when converting Nostalgia items.
I agree! And certainly with the more expensive options on the 'A libraryette for Mr Pages' card
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Charlotte_de_Witte wrote:
dov wrote:
I've suggested long ago that as a balance to increasing the Liberation of Night which comes from converting Luminosity items, there should be a message of a small setback to the LoN when converting Nostalgia items.
I agree! And certainly with the more expensive options on the 'A libraryette for Mr Pages' card
While it would be nice to have a way of sabotaging the LoN, I'm not sure that Nostalgia/MrPages is the most thematically accurate way of doing it. Helping [spoiler]our friendly local space crab find love with something totally out of its league[/spoiler] isn't directly opposing the plans of those who seek the Liberation of Night, after all. :-)
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Charlotte_de_Witte
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I suppose not, although removing dangerously seditious literature from circulating the streets might help a little? There's not really another category I can see geared towards helping out the authorities.
I rather like the idea that to properly set back LoN you would have to make the sacrifice of compromising some more liberal sensibilities. Cracking down on all anti-authoritarian forces, even the wonderful hedonistic bohemian ones, and so becoming as much an unwitting pawn of the Ministry/Constables as you may have been for the Revolutionaries. To save London from LoN you would have to let it become entwined even deeper and more helplessly into the schemes of Masters, and live with the consequences... In any case it should never be an easy choice to make. Where would be the fun in that?
Kittenpox wrote:
While it would be nice to have a way of sabotaging the LoN, I'm not sure that Nostalgia/MrPages is the most thematically accurate way of doing it. Helping [spoiler]our friendly local space crab find love with something totally out of its league[/spoiler] isn't directly opposing the plans of those who seek the Liberation of Night, after all. :-)
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EmilyAriel
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Allanon Kisigar wrote:
Dr. Hieronymous Alloy wrote:
Allanon Kisigar wrote:
It wasn't there when I foolishly sold them the location before Hallowmas. After I found out what the Liberation of Night MEANT, though, so much regret.
It's not like the other Destiny alternatives were much better, though. Without the liberation it appears that everyone in FL basically gets consumed by the Bazaar. The Liberation of Night may not be great, but it's better than a lot of the alternatives. The only really wholly hopeful Destiny seemed to be "Revelation", and it was ambiguous.
I don't think the Liberation of Night is "better" than really any of the alternatives, as the Revolutionaries imply that
[spoiler]the model of the Machine used to eliminate light from the ENTIRE NEATH was basically a test model, and that eventually they basically plan to make one that can do the same pretty much for the entire UNIVERSE.[/spoiler]
Can't really see how that's better. And the destiny I took does not imply Earth destruction, just that it's "scarred", which is rather ambiguous.
A scarred earth? Hmm, I could be ok with that... http://adventuretime.wikia.com/wiki/Mushroom_War
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Ember
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Then again, the work of the Bazaar appears to be leading to the destruction of the Earth. Perhaps sacrificing London a bit early is worth preventing that. Of course, the Calendar Council have their eyes set on the "liberation" of the entire cosmos. What might have to be sacrificed to prevent that, I wonder?
Karaeir wrote:
Of course we - the players probably don't need to worry (except for the Seekers, but their life expectancy isn't great anyway), as we are all "Special Snowflakes" and have our tickets to Parabola/Hell/farawayfromhere ready.
Not us with Gleam destinies, alas. We've renounced our tickets.
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