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Azothi
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7/25/2019
MrCandles wrote:
Where is Flute Street?
Flute Street likely doesn't correspond to any real-life London location (it's beneath the Neath, after all), and it's likely been here for a few cities now.

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Jolanda Swan
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7/25/2019
True. It has an East-End feeling to it, and located as it is under the Carnival it is probably somewhere to the East, but it was there long before London fell.
Which makes you wonder, did the other cities have Rubberies? Did they call them by other names?

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Siankan
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7/25/2019
Jolanda Swan wrote:
Which makes you wonder, did the other cities have Rubberies? Did they call them by other names?

Yes to the first question. (I can't remember why I know this, however.) Probably to the second question.

Also, while Azothi's correct as far as I know, it's also a play of sorts on Fleet Street.

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MrCandles
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7/26/2019
Azothi wrote:
MrCandles wrote:
Where is Flute Street?
Flute Street likely doesn't correspond to any real-life London location (it's beneath the Neath, after all), and it's likely been here for a few cities now.

Where on map?
Which makes you wonder, did the other cities have Rubberies?

First sity - haven't. Third and fourth - have. Second - maybe.

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    Siankan
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    8/23/2019
    Nameless Jane wrote:
    Where is located all lodgings? Especially, where is abandoned cemetery with family crypt?

    Excepting the big three, none of the lodgings have specified locations. The crypt could be located in any cemetery in London (possibly, for all we know, even one not founded until London fell).

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    Siankan
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    8/24/2019
    Nameless Jane wrote:
    Not directly point. Regions. Possibly locations.

    There are a few fairly specific lodgings. The Observatory cottage is, of course, on Watchmaker's Hill (i.e. Greenwich). The steamer lies along the shores of the Unterzee--south or east, I don't think we're told. Townhouses can appear all over London, but particularly nice ones may be found in the City and the fashionable districts north of Kensington (i.e. the Shuttered Palace). The writers seem fond of mentioning townhouses along Ladybones Road. Conversely, gambling dens are less likely to be found in those areas; Spite, Wolfstack, and Watchmaker's Hill are all natural locations for them.

    Besides that, however, locations are very generalized. There are cemeteries and bookshops all over London. Without better in-game context, there's no way to nail down a particular area. (The flip side is that this gives you lots of creative freedom. If you want your character to be living in a certain area, it can probably happen.)

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    phryne
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    9/30/2019
    The new ES expressly mentions Charley Square being near the Shuttered Palace, not in Watchmakers Hill.

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    Optimatum
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    9/30/2019
    It also mentions the Inns of Court, apparently on route to Doubt Street.

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    Rupho Schartenhauer
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    4/18/2020
    The new map is gorgeous, but it has not resolved all issues of Fallen London geography. The zoomed-in version of the map names many important locations besides the areas we can visit, but some riddles remain. I'll discuss a few such locations here which I would love to see added to the map.

    First, I'd like to bring up what seems to be the map's most glaring omission: where's Southwark Cathedral? St Fiacre's is named, and the only other big church on the map, located in Spite, I assume to be St Dunstan's. Southwark Cathedral should be south of the river, if London's geography hasn't been bent even more than we know. However, there's no large church, let alone cathedral, to be seen on that part of the map.

    I also wonder where Parliament is. I always assumed the Houses of Parliament survived the Fall in some form, but I cannot find anything like them on the map. While Fallen London's Parliament is only a threadbare institution with very little power, surely it's still important enough to be shown on a map of the city?

    We know that Wilmot's End adjoins Tyrant's Gardens, so we know where they are. But where's Jekyll Gardens, the FL version of Hyde Park? I assume it's the park encircled by Veilgarden and Spite, but it'd be nice to know for certain.

    We already have a lot of pubs marked on the map, but a few of the most important ones are still missing: namely, Caligula's Coffee House, Dante's Grill and The Bridge Without.

    And then of course, there's the Parlour of Virtue and Clathermont's Tattoo Parlour!

    These institutions are more secretive, but no less important: Hookman House (Ministry storage facility of banned works), Orchard House (HQ of the Dilmun Club), the Gamekeeper's Cottage and the Museum of Mistakes.

    Lastly, there's a number of well-known squares that would be nice to have on the map: Charley Square, Cubit Square and, of course, the Square of Lofty Words.

    What do you think? Have you spotted some things I haven't? smile

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    Ixc
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    4/18/2020
    Is there a location for Spicebridge? The text mentions that it has a lot of warehouses on it.

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    Ragnar Degenhand
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    4/19/2020
    Surely the tower of Big Ben (House of Chimes) poking up out of the river suggests the sad fate of Parliament -- drowned? Maybe the MPs turned into drownies...
    London has clearly been seriously concertinaed. In RL, Greenwich (Watchmaker's Hill -- very accurate rendering of part of the park near the observatory, incidentally -- is five or six miles from Westminster. Southwark Cathedral is by London Bridge, which is within easy walking distance of Westminster along the river -- a couple of miles. So the Bazaar is pretty much where Southwark Cathedral should be.
    Ladybones Road is clearly Marble Arch, which is at the north-east corner of Hyde Park in RL. The Shuttered Palace seems to me to be, roughly, equivalent to Kensington Palace. In RL, that is at the far western edge of the Hyde Park/Kensington Gardens combination. No park there on the map, of course.
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    Rupho Schartenhauer
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    4/19/2020
    Ragnar Degenhand wrote:
    Surely the tower of Big Ben (House of Chimes) poking up out of the river suggests the sad fate of Parliament -- drowned? Maybe the MPs turned into drownies...
    Ouch. Now that you brought it up, it does seem quite likely, yes.
    edited by Rupho Schartenhauer on 4/19/2020

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    imeja
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    7/18/2020
    From Ealing Gardens:


    This was once part of London, but it was badly damaged in the Fall. The brick buildings toppled, the wooden buildings burned. Hillchanger Tower lost its crenellations.


    I don't know Ealing well and can't think of any crenellated towers in the vicinity. Anyone?

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    Meradine Heidenreich
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    7/19/2020
    Well, the town hall is in the neo-gothic style and its tower is crenellated, but why Hillchanger, one wonders. Usually these names have a quirky relationship with the original term. There is, of course, Ealing Studios nearby, which no doubt has (had) plenty of structures as parts of film sets that were crenellated.

    But:
    Mount Castle Tower was also known as Hanger Hill Tower, and as such it was a vital viewing point for the Anglo-French Survey (1784–1790), which linked the Royal Greenwich Observatory with the Paris Observatory via a chain of trigonometric readings.


    The links to Greenwich and Paris may be something. And there's the change in name of the hill.


    However, a plan of the tops of various towers used in the survey shows no indication of crenellations on the tower (which was Elizabethan in style), unlike the image for Dover Castle. I was unable to find a historic image of the tower under either name.

    Search for "Hanger Hill Tower" as an image -- I'm not including the result here, but there are only three, all of the same plan.

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    imeja
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    7/19/2020
    Hanger Hill Tower is definitely promising.

    Do we think that Aescwine Hill corresponds with Acton?

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    Meradine Heidenreich
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    7/19/2020
    æsc is the Anglo-Saxon word for ash (as in ash-tree), but also a stand-in for "spear" in many combinations.

    wine comes from the Roman for vine.

    Acton derives from Anglo-Saxon æc = oak, plus the word for farm, estate or town (tún).

    But there were two kings called Aescwine



    The Wessex one was at least on the right side of London. Alternate spellings are Erkenwine & Erchenwine.

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    Zolana
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    6/21/2021
    Not sure if this has been posted yet, but the mysterious Drudgewick (only ever mentioned in the sidebar), is likely to be Dulwich irl.

    Dulwich->Dullwich->Dullwick->Drudgewick

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