Maerion
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10/15/2013
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I tried to use the 'Write Letters' option to pull the Gifts card and noticed that the 'A Gift of Fate' option was gone, and only the 'Gift of a Great Fate' option remained. Is it no longer possible to gift fate/nex 10 at a time?
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Alexis Kennedy
Posts: 1374
10/15/2013
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Honestly, I shouldn't have taken it personally. Some people treat Kickstarter as a patronage model - helping fund projects they want to see happen. Some people treat it as a pre-order system. Many people fall somewhere in between. From a certain point of view, this was a natural thing to do. And we were fine with people getting a slightly discounted pledge for having picked up free Fate over the years. But we really had to lock this one down now, or we'd keep getting stung in future.
In the longer term, what we might do is move the Nex gifting option to the purchase screen rather than a storylet branch, because people always have trouble finding it anyway. But, dev time.
EDIT: I meant, but forgot, to say, I do appreciate the tutting response from y'all!  It makes us feel much better.
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Flyte
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10/15/2013
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Alt-farming Fate is very shoddy, of course. It's a shame to lose the ability to send Fate in smaller amounts, though. Would you consider adding an option to send 25-30 at a time? That should be beyond the reach of farming, especially now the rewards for videos and surveys are gone.
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Alexis Kennedy
Posts: 1374
10/15/2013
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This was, sadly, the case. We'd noticed that a lot of the 10-Fate uses were from multiple characters to one, which meant either that some people had a lot of admirers or that it was rather shady alt-farming, but we were letting it slide. But I was upset to see some people had 'pledged' to Sunless Sea at the 20 GBP level by using entirely free Fate. (In at least one case someone pulled a Kickstarter pledge to do this once we opened Nex-pledging.) So we had to crack down.
>open up for a way to only allow purchased Fate to be sent as gifts.
It's possible, but complicated: anything around Nex or payment needs care and takes three times as long. And it leads to confusing error messages like 'You need 10 Purchased Nex to afford this option, you have only 7 Purchased Nex and 3 Free Fate'. So we'd get stung with both development costs and support costs. We can't spare the resource for that.
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Diptych
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10/15/2013
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Alexis Kennedy wrote:
But I was upset to see some people had 'pledged' to Sunless Sea at the 20 GBP level by using entirely free Fate. (In at least one case someone pulled a Kickstarter pledge to do this once we opened Nex-pledging.) So we had to crack down.
Jesus H. Boxing-Day and all his pirouetting schnauzers. I mean, I looked at my free Fate and thought "ha ha ha, I could pledge with that" - and then felt bad even for thinking it. But, pulling their real pledge and trying to get the rewards for free? Who thinks that's okay?!
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lady ciel
Posts: 2548
10/15/2013
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That is so wrong that words fail me.
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Gillsing
Posts: 1203
10/15/2013
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10 Fate seems easy to get for any new character. Just answer three survey questions, and then become a 'New Arrival 5'. So perhaps it was possible to game the system by making lots of alts and then having them transfer their Fate to a single character, who then could use that Fate to play through a lot of Fate-locked content?
I don't know, but that seems like a very good reason to stop characters from moving small (free) amounts of Fate around. Though if the system keeps track of how much Nex any given account has purchased (and why wouldn't it?), that seems like it would open up for a way to only allow purchased Fate to be sent as gifts.
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OPG
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10/15/2013
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Maybe you could have an option that required at least X Nex to use? Not for everything, of course, but I feel that would be appropriate in some cases.
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Laluzi
Posts: 456
11/3/2013
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Oh, is there? That's nice - and clever, since you can only access the House of Chimes if you're an Exceptional Friend, which costs 20 Nex. It's a tidy solution.
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Spacemarine9
Posts: 2234
11/3/2013
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...huh, actually, I went back and checked just to make sure, and it's been replaced with a 100-fate box, just like the Square of Lofty Words. I don't really know why.
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Spacemarine9
Posts: 2234
11/3/2013
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Maybe in case of people using the occasional Fate-gifts from surveys to buy EF subscriptions and sending fateboxes? it'd be a hell of a long con, though
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Theus
Posts: 311
11/3/2013
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I'm not against alt-socialing for things like pass the cat or menace reduction, but I don't participate in any of the surveys for fate on alts. The fate is a thank you for helping with things like demographic data. Taking the survey multiple times across different accounts is giving false data and taking the handout reward. It's the type of abuse that could lead to the discontinuation of small fate rewards altogether.
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Ian Hart
Posts: 437
8/10/2016
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Just saw the 10 Fate option (still locked with Impossible, like it's big brother) on the card today.
Is it coming back?
Can anyone think of a reason that the old problems would no longer apply?
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Parelle
Posts: 1084
8/10/2016
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Note currently there is no free Fate sources in the game as recently announced so the original problem (make Alts for Fate) is moot.
I suspect there's a new problem which is even worse because of mobile syncing.
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phryne
Posts: 1351
8/11/2016
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That's really funny cos only yesterday my alt got 2 Fate from the Face-tailor story!
Edit: Ah, I now see that it's been removed. Hope they don't forget to put it back later... :/
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