Incognito Unknown
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9/25/2013
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Hey, don't go away! This is a serious doubt!
The thing is, the part of me feeling in the wrong gender is true. But I mean my IC gender! I chose gentleman at the beginning of it all, some years ago, but now I feel that I have made the wrong decision.
From the way it is described, I guess the Mask of Mr. Veils only gives you faces suitable to the gender you chose at the beginning, and the Page of the Liber Visionis, being a one-time, no-Fate-spent version of it, probably does the same, although I haven't given it a try yet (Those pesky nightmares...)
I think I already know the answer to this, but is there a way to change your gender? If I have to buy Fate in order to do so, I will gladly do it, and if there is no such thing implemented in the game... Well, needless to say, I would approve of it.
(IMPORTANT NOTE: My reasons to stop being a gentleman and become a lady are only my own d__n business)
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Diptych
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9/1/2016
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When I started playing FL, our choice of portraits were all half-body affairs - I'm not sure if anyone preserved those for posterity before the switch to head-and-shoulder shots - and, unless I'm remembering awry, folks of nonspecific gender could choose any portrait they liked. The switch to a separate set of "androgynous" cameos - whose features range from "boyish" to "completely obscured" by way of "just plain weird" - was a bit of a retrograde step, sadly, and I'm glad it's since been de-restricted.
Personally, I'd be more than happy to see the initial gender setting removed entirely, and lady/gentleman/individual replaced with a range of options, just like sir/madam/yes. (And, similarly, the subtitle removed from the 'Madam' option in Sunless Sea.) I don't know how easy that would be to implement - perhaps we'll see it as part of the redesigned profile pages. (Incidentally, I'd also be happy to see some of the old portraits made available again, even if only because one of them actually looked uncannily like me. I was sorry to see it go.)
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Flyte
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Posts: 671
9/25/2013
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I think this is an excellent idea.
Plastic surgery in London 1891! Imagine the headlines! Not as startling, perhaps, as you might think.
In Fallen London, though, I suspect it would not be plastic, but rubbery or perhaps amberine.
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Joy Phillip
Posts: 177
9/25/2013
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My daughter had made up a character using my email address without telling me. She had picked no gender for the character and I just played it. After a while I had the same feeling and wanted to play a woman.
I wrote to the nice people at Failbetter, explained the situation to them, and they were nice enough to just go in and change the gender for me.
I suspect that if you have been playing for a while and supporting the game with Fate and Nex asking and explaining this to the techs will possibly have them change it for you, and maybe they might give us an option to do it for ourselves.
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Lady Taimi Felix
Posts: 202
9/1/2016
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Kukapetal wrote:
Also OP, was it really necessary to be pointlessly rude to people who were nothing but helpful and friendly to you?
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I think OP was just trying to cut the "Why?"s off at the pass, but regardless, as they haven't logged in to the forum for three years, I think your appeal might fall upon deaf ears.
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Aximillio
Posts: 1251
9/25/2013
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Plastic surgery in London 1891! Imagine the headlines! I would definitely support this!
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Diptych
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9/1/2016
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Perhaps, but there are plenty of other factors that would affect one's social standing in Victorian society that aren't asked for at character creation - race, class, religion, what have you. Gender's one of the few factors baked into our characters from the get-go, and is currently the only one that can't be changed.
Edit: To clarify, I wouldn't want to see references to gender removed entirely - I mean, never mind the codebase; that would require rewriting a huge percentage of the game text. I'd just be happy to see "gentleman/lady/it is a mystery" expanded to include other options. Some folks' gender isn't mysterious but isn't either "gentleman" or "lady" either. Others might be happy not making such a song and dance about the whole thing, and would be happy to simply be an individual, or a citizen, or a doctor, or an adventurer, or what have you.
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phryne
Posts: 1351
9/4/2016
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Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
When I started playing FL, our choice of portraits were all half-body affairs - I'm not sure if anyone preserved those for posterity before the switch to head-and-shoulder shots [...] (Incidentally, I'd also be happy to see some of the old portraits made available again, even if only because one of them actually looked uncannily like me. I was sorry to see it go.)
They can still be seen here! 
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Kukapetal
Posts: 1449
9/1/2016
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I'd say it's a pretty common feature when designing a character and a big part of a the character's design for a lot of people. It's great that there's an option for people who don't want to be bound by the usual "male/female" option, and it would be nice to be able to change it if someone feels like redesigning their character, but doing away with it entirely seems artificial and unnecessary to me.
(IMPORTANT NOTE: My reasons to stop being a gentleman and become a lady are only my own d__n business)
Also OP, was it really necessary to be pointlessly rude to people who were nothing but helpful and friendly to you?
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phryne
Posts: 1351
8/31/2016
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We had that question a few months ago and I'm 99% certain a dev stated that gender change is now possible - but maybe someone else can confirm 100% ?
 The item Robin meant is the Page from the Liber Visionis. 
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Sir Shadow
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8/31/2016
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I wish I knew the answer to this too. Right now would even be happy to spend 25 euros on getting the gender change. I have a story and things set but the thing that get's in the way is the gender which is male in game. Does anyone know a solution and could help? If so then please tell me.
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Kukapetal
Posts: 1449
9/1/2016
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*goes back and looks at date on original post*
*feels very silly*
Darn necroed posts always fool me :P
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Optimatum
Posts: 3666
8/31/2016
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The above is all correct. The Urchins card has an option to change your terms of address to any of various gendered or gender-neutral terms. Paying Fate for the Mask of Mr Veils or using A Page from the Liber Visionis (an item available one time from completing the Secrets of the Face-Tailor storyline) will let you change your cameo image once, to any other image regardless of your character's set gender. Changing your character's gender (displayed primarily on the profile page and myself tab) is not currently possible within the game, but if you email Failbetter they are happy to change it for you.
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Mr Sables
Posts: 597
8/31/2016
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Sir Shadow wrote:
I wish I knew the answer to this too. Right now would even be happy to spend 25 euros on getting the gender change. I have a story and things set but the thing that get's in the way is the gender which is male in game. Does anyone know a solution and could help? If so then please tell me.
You can change terms of address with the urchin card.
You can also pay to change the avatar images to the right gender (or for free, if you have an item that looks like a page, whose name I forget).
It won't change your gender, but it'll allow your character to look female/ambiguous, and be addressed that way, assuming you don't want to be male any longer.
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Edward Frye
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8/31/2016
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In the help tab, they say they hope to have gender changes available soon.
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absimiliard
Posts: 759
8/31/2016
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My understanding is that Joy's experience with FBG's support people is the norm. If you write them and explain your circumstance they will try to make things right for you.
In pretty much all things like this that I've ever heard of FBG takes some pains to try to do the right thing.
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Optimatum
Posts: 3666
9/1/2016
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I think gender still explicitly exists because it would be rather difficult to remove entirely without some serious rework of the codebase. Also given it displays on profiles and so can be useful for roleplay and such, I'd much prefer some simple option in-game to change the character's gender.
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I'm a bit surprised after the changes to faces and terms of address that gender explicitly exists in the game at all. Perhaps it could be removed in favor of just using the term of address.
While I understand gender-locking is problematic and pointlessly restrictive, I'd mourn the loss of the gendered cameos, and I, personally, value knowing which are gendered and which are not. I would have assumed a lot of the gender neutrals to be male without context, personally.
The cameos aren't gendered anymore, as of fairly recently. Those creating a new character see the full list of images without having to select a gender first.
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Catherine Raymond
Posts: 2518
9/1/2016
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Removing the gender setting altogether would be just a wee bit ahistorical too. Granted, when you've been moved from the Thames to just down the Lethe from Hell, which gender you are, what you do as that gender, or whether you wish to declare gender none of the world's business all seem somewhat plausible--but not eliminating it as a societal issue entirely.
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Diptych
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Posts: 3493
9/4/2016
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Good heavens; I even ask about them in the thread, which is what prompts their posting! Forgive me; memory like one of those implements used for straining ingredients, the precise name of which escapes me at this very moment.
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phryne
Posts: 1351
9/4/2016
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To be fair, it's been four years - or about 2000 postings ago for you, Sir Fred
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Lady Sapho Byron
Posts: 770
9/6/2016
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Is it just me, or is the middle bottom one extremely creepy?
phryne wrote:
Sir Frederick Tanah-Chook wrote:
When I started playing FL, our choice of portraits were all half-body affairs - I'm not sure if anyone preserved those for posterity before the switch to head-and-shoulder shots [...] (Incidentally, I'd also be happy to see some of the old portraits made available again, even if only because one of them actually looked uncannily like me. I was sorry to see it go.)
They can still be seen here!
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Meradine Heidenreich
Posts: 468
9/6/2016
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Caught short, maybe?
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Myrto
Posts: 209
9/7/2016
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I like the lady with a sword behind her back!
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