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Urthdigger
Urthdigger
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12/20/2011
There's something I've wondered for a while: Is it worthwhile to sell items I don't need at the moment to get better outfits? Near as I can tell, bonuses to my stats act the same as if I'd gotten my stat up there the old fashioned way, albeit a little faster. It would seem the only advantage of better equipment is that I can access more lucrative options a little earlier, but they do not help me progress through the game any faster.

So, should I invest in better clothes? Or should I hoard every ounce of glim I can get my hands on?

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Diptych
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12/20/2011
You're quite right - bonuses from clothes are the same as raising the skill naturally. The only absolute advantage of clothes comes once stats have been raised to the natural cap. Actually, that's not quite true - there are one or two storylets unlocked by owning particular items of clothing, and many of the pets unlock opportunity cards.

My strategy: sell what you know you can easily replace if you need to. In the long run, you can save Echoes by saving up and only buying the best for each kind of stat boost, but it will take a little longer.

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Patrick Reding
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12/20/2011
However, a number of storylets require the possession of certain equipment, and you can never be sure what future storylets will require. It's probably safer not to sell anything.

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Nagato-01
Nagato-01
Posts: 92

12/20/2011
Keep one of every article of clothing. In later stages, you can easily earn an Echo's worth of items with a single action anyway.

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12/20/2011
Are you enjoying your current storylets? Best to save until you hit a dull patch, then upgrade equipment to jump to the next set of stories. Everyone has different favourite stories of course, so can't suggest when to upgrade, except to say - don't do it initially; eventually you are going to run out of content, using good equipment early on just does you out of plot.
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MrChris
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12/20/2011
I make it a point never to sell anything that can't be bought back, and to prefer selling those goods (a) that I know where to get in some abundance and (b) have a 2:1 rather than 3:1 buy-price to sell-price.

Of course it's better to hold off until you can buy the really excellent stuff, but for one thing, there are several items that you need for stories; and for another, holding off is hard.

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Christian Berg
Christian Berg
Posts: 20

12/21/2011
I used to keep everything I acquired, only selling when I was lacking echoes for some much needed item.

But that was back then. I've recently sold all my valuables and less valuable belongings, bought a permanent reservation at the Royal Bethlehem and am now living a careless life in luxury.

Some would call it foolish, I call it necessary.

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streetfelineblue
streetfelineblue
Posts: 1459

12/21/2011
The effects of equipment on stats is the same as raising the Quality itself, but with a substantial difference: equipment can be unequipped ^^

So, you can actually use equipment in a tactical way: when you find an Action particularly lucrative, you can grind it, and just when your Quality is so high that the action vanishes, switch to the immediately worse piece of equipment and keep grinding at optimal difficulty level ^^ But I don't think this is actually so necessary to justify keeping an exemplar of each and every piece of equipment... So, usually all you need is a full suit of equipment for your main Qualities (the ones involved in your Ambition), or even better for each and every Quality, as there are stories that require high values in all of the Qualities (for example, dealing with your Surface Ties or becoming a Person of Some Importance). You can than switch equipment to suit the challenge you're facing.

Keeping old equipment for future use doesn't seem much useful to me: it is true that some items are required sometimes (for example, a pair of Magician's Gloves to open up the route to Mahogany Hall), but usually when you can afford highest-level equipment, if you ever need inferior equipment you shouldn't have problems to earn enough to just re-buy it outright. The opposite is true for equipment not available in the Bazaar - most of what you can't buy should be treasured in the event of future use.

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Maurna Frost
Maurna Frost
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12/21/2011
On the question of dressing to impress, I note that several of the nicer items are, perhaps, a bit out of one's budget. As you progress, do the echoes become easier to obtain? I frequently ponder if I should sell some of my relics and have, in the past, sold off a supply of ridiculous hats that I later discovered I needed.

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Patrick Reding
Patrick Reding
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12/21/2011
Maurna Frost wrote:
On the question of dressing to impress, I note that several of the nicer items are, perhaps, a bit out of one's budget. As you progress, do the echoes become easier to obtain? I frequently ponder if I should sell some of my relics and have, in the past, sold off a supply of ridiculous hats that I later discovered I needed.

~MF
A Lady pondering shopping


The resale value of the rewards from a task is generally equal to the attribute level at which the chance of success is 50%. Or in other words, rewards do increase linearly with level.
edited by Patrick Reding on 12/21/2011

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Little The
Little The
Posts: 700

12/21/2011
What I do is keep a buffer of items -- so, for example, I always try to have at least 5000 bars of Nevercold Brass Silver, and ~3000 Cryptic Clues, that sort of thing. When I notice that my coffers are overflowing with stuff, I'll sell down to the budget line. That way, I always have something on hand, in case I need it, but I can still sell stuff if I have a lot of it. It's generally best not to sell anything at the beginning, then slowly increase your buffer as you become more wealthy.

However, some items are more frequently used than others and should therefore have a larger buffer, and there are others that you should NEVER EVER sell, at least not until you've bought everything related to them. The "never sell" category is generally anything related to the purchase of new lodgings (Whispered Secrets, Souls, Prisoner's Honey), or that is used in unlocking new areas. You will need every penny for those.


Glim and Primordial Shrieks are near-useless, though, don't be afraid to sell a lot of those.

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Maurna Frost
Maurna Frost
Posts: 246

12/21/2011
Indeed I have begun a very similar system! 'Tis good to know that shrieks have little use, I am beginning to amass quite the pile.

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streetfelineblue
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Posts: 1459

12/21/2011
Primordial Shrieks are also eligible of an alternative tactic - every 50 of them, you can "use" them (in your Inventory). This unlocks a Watchful test (Straightforward for me at Watchful 30): on a failure, you gain a Wound point and lose 10 Primordial Shrieks, on a success you have a "Matter of luck: it could go either way" occurrence. The unlucky result converts 50 Shrieks into 10 Maniac's Prayers - that is, no gain: they both sell fo a total of 1 echo; but the lucky results converrts 20 Shrieks in 1 Aeolian Scream, selling for a grand 2.50 Echoes and leaving you 30 Shrieks. So I've currently access to an action giving me 20 Shrieks a time, and I usually follow this routine: 5 Actions to gain 100 Shrieks, 2 Actions to try and convert them. I'm doing it 4 times a day for a total of 28 Actions, leaving me 22 Actions free for intractions, curing MEnaces and forwarding my plot, and I'm totaling quite a lot considering that my highest Quality is less than 50 when fully equipped ^^

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Little The
Little The
Posts: 700

12/21/2011
Oh? That's interesting; I didn't know there was a rare success. Thank you for the information!

Also, apparently Maniac's Prayers can be interacted with as well. So far I've managed to convert one into a Correspondence Plaque, a tidy profit (albeit not very action-efficient).

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Maurna Frost
Maurna Frost
Posts: 246

12/21/2011
streetfelineblue wrote:
Primordial Shrieks are also eligible of an alternative tactic - every 50 of them, you can "use" them (in your Inventory). This unlocks a Watchful test (Straightforward for me at Watchful 30): on a failure, you gain a Wound point and lose 10 Primordial Shrieks, on a success you have a "Matter of luck: it could go either way" occurrence. The unlucky result converts 50 Shrieks into 10 Maniac's Prayers - that is, no gain: they both sell fo a total of 1 echo; but the lucky results converrts 20 Shrieks in 1 Aeolian Scream, selling for a grand 2.50 Echoes and leaving you 30 Shrieks. So I've currently access to an action giving me 20 Shrieks a time, and I usually follow this routine: 5 Actions to gain 100 Shrieks, 2 Actions to try and convert them. I'm doing it 4 times a day for a total of 28 Actions, leaving me 22 Actions free for intractions, curing MEnaces and forwarding my plot, and I'm totaling quite a lot considering that my highest Quality is less than 50 when fully equipped ^^


Oh this is most interesting news, I shall have to try it thank you for the advice!

Hmm, oh dear. I seem to have a poor luck. Mayhap my lucky weasels aren't sharing!

~MF
A Lady seeking insight
edited by MaurnaFrost on 12/21/2011

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Note: I am currently exchanging parcels with a large number of dear friends and my parcel opportunities are rare. I am always willing to exchange but your rate of return may be rather slow. To find others to exchange with I recommend the Starveling list.
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streetfelineblue
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12/22/2011
Actually, for a "it could go either way" chance, I feel like I'm getting too few Aeolian Screams, but maybe it's just a bit of bad luck. Anyway, they're far from rare. Note that the other possible action with Primordial Shrieks is actually more rewarding, giving the chance to turn a single Shriek into a single Maniac Prayer... But I find it's by far too costly in terms of Actions: should I try to convert all of my Shrieks one at a time, I should forfeit most of any other Action. Not likely going to happen ^^

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pinstripeowl
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12/22/2011
I agree on the Glim - particularly if you're fond of the labyrinth you can amass quite literally thousands of it: keep a buffer of a few thou but it's worth it when you can sell about 50k. Shrieks are good for getting out of the Colonies, too, which is helpful for the scandalous. I saw the interaction things today and am rather excited about trying that when I've more moves.
But as has been said before - if it won't ruin you to rebuy it (oh god the contracts/books *sob*) sell the excess and keep enough so as not to be in dire straits should you need them for a story.

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Maurna Frost
Maurna Frost
Posts: 246

12/23/2011
*in the process of airing out her closet*

Is anyone else noticing a particular habit of clothing items returning to their exact hanger now? Quite peculiar!

Also, I have received a few gifts of adoration and have yet to find a use. Other than sentimental value, is there one?

~MF
A Lady preparing to embark on adventure!

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I greatly enjoy meeting delicious new friends and participating in deliciously exciting new adventures! Please feel free to drop a card to meet for dinner, exchange favors, give an interview, or any other activity that comes to mind. I DO particpate in exchanges requiring Fate, BUT you must contact me first; twitter, facebook, or here on the forums via PM.

Note: I am currently exchanging parcels with a large number of dear friends and my parcel opportunities are rare. I am always willing to exchange but your rate of return may be rather slow. To find others to exchange with I recommend the Starveling list.
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Catherine Raymond
Catherine Raymond
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12/24/2011
I've only kept items that give the most bang for the buck, so to speak (i.e., why keep the Intricate Kifers when the Umbrella gives you the same Shadowy boost, and a Dangerous boost besides)? Though I have kept some items for pure sentimental value (I still have my Apple of Discord, for example).

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Little The
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12/24/2011
Apple of Discord? I don't recall hearing about that, on the wiki or elsewhere. Is it part of some Fate-locked content?

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My journey to Seek the Name is recorded for posterity here. I asked "Who is Salt?"

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