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Rostygold
Rostygold
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7/4/2020
Amalgamate wrote:
...but not for a while, I ran out of items and things to butcher and went back to london and am doing a big round of acquiring all sorts of things before heading back to Ealing.


Yeah, that's the (very obvious) downside to having the animals slaughtered. You don't need to worry about having to hoard bone fragments and warm amber, but you would run out of the living commodities eventually.

In the long run though, duplicating animals is probably a more economical route. The player can hoard bone fragments and warm amber. Animals like those associated with the Labyrinth of Tigers content are one-at-a-time-only creatures. (That said, maybe I should check this. If the limitations have been removed... I am having my Monster-Hunter catch doles of Plated Seals.)
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Diptych
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7/4/2020
I'm still getting my head around the different station upgrades. Setting up a pie shop is cheaper if one's charter supports worker ownership... which charter option supported worker ownership? Is it different to the charitable charter that makes the clinic cheaper?

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Aro Saren
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7/4/2020
And still there's no grindable source of neither bone fragments, nor warm amber?

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suinicide
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7/4/2020
Aro Saren wrote:
And still there's no grindable source of neither bone fragments, nor warm amber?



You can grind warm amber by catching 7 voiced warblers, giving them to the finger kings for a 49 voiced warbler, then selling that in the bone market for 100 warm amber.

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Diptych
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7/4/2020
Do the Hoarding Palaeontologist and the Particular Zailor still buy skeletons for bone fragments and warm amber?

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Scona
Scona
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7/4/2020
Yes, i would also say that selling skeletons at the bone market is the main grindable source, especially as it is now possible to buy the chest base for jade


Diptych wrote:
Do the Hoarding Palaeontologist and the Particular Zailor still buy skeletons for bone fragments and warm amber?
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Rachel
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7/4/2020
Given that Ealing Garden is a rubbery neighborhood, I have a question: Does there appear to be a non-fate-locked source for rubbery skulls at Ealing? Or do they remain fate-locked?

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Amalgamate
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7/4/2020
I have not yet encountered a rubbery skull source at Ealing.

I've explored most of the cards available there, but not gone through the full butchery gamut, and there's still clearly some secrets that we haven't unlocked or found yet. (There is a source of Helical Thighbones though!)

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xKiv
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7/5/2020
Wojciech wrote:

The stat can't go below zero, though,


Let's see ... N 15, R 5, D 9, B 7; MW needed to call amanuensis is 59
If those stats cannot go under 0, equipping a 49-warbler (-12 D) instead of ubergoat (+ 2 D, +2 B) will change the difficulty by 11 to 70
Left bar says N 15, R 5, (no D), B 5; MW needed is 75
difficulty changed by 16=14+2, reflecting that my D has dropped not by 9, but by 14 (and my B dropped by 2. and my R remained unchanged)

Trivial zero-action testing shows that BDR stats absolutely *do* go below zero, they just don't show in the left bar when they are not positive.

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xKiv
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7/5/2020
Rostygold wrote:
Animals like those associated with the Labyrinth of Tigers content are one-at-a-time-only creatures. (That said, maybe I should check this. If the limitations have been removed... I am having my Monster-Hunter catch doles of Plated Seals.)


I am still seeing a "you unlocked this by having no <animal>" for the one I could actually make.
Hounds of heavens are repeatable though.

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The Lonely Hunter
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7/5/2020
I don't have the Butchery at full capacity, but I have a [Redacted] from Flute Street and it might be worth seeing if you can get Rubbery Skulls from it. It would still be Fate locked, but it would save me time if that were possible.

The only thing I don't like about the Ealing content is that I have to check my possessions every time I buy something to see how much Scrip I have. It would probably take some work and headaches to code Scrip as a separate currency below Echoes, but it would be a great quality of life improvement.

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Rostygold
Rostygold
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7/5/2020
Don't forget to get your Track Laid up to 3. I know I forgot to do that for one of my characters. Gruddammit.
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Rostygold
Rostygold
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7/5/2020
Also, hitting the thresholds for Menaces appear to work the same way as in London-proper. I harmed one of my characters with the Giggling Mandrake and the character immediately went to the Mirror-Marches, as per characters that have Memories of Light.
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The Lonely Hunter
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7/5/2020
I just got back to London and sold the Tinned Ham they sell in Extramural Trading for 63.50 Echoes at the Bazaar. That's one Echo of profit from 125 Scrip, and while that's not a lot, you're not spending any actions on the sale. It feels relative worthwhile to do a trade in hams if you have more Scrip than you know what to do with.

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Rostygold
Rostygold
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7/5/2020
The Lonely Hunter wrote:
It feels relative worthwhile to do a trade in hams if you have more Scrip than you know what to do with.

The development costs can go up to 500 Scrips. It's a lot.
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Rostygold
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7/5/2020
The Lonely Hunter wrote:
I don't have the Butchery at full capacity, but I have a [Redacted] from Flute Street and it might be worth seeing if you can get Rubbery Skulls from it. It would still be Fate locked, but it would save me time if that were possible.



You are going to have the Rubbery Hound killed, aren't you?
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Diptych
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7/5/2020
So, I'm noticing a lot of the new content uses mid-tier Renown items to unlock faction-specific content. The Hellish Hymn and the Teeth of St George unlock Hell- and Church-aligned GHR charters. Once in Ealing Gardens proper, there seem to be additional options unlocked by Defenstrating Boots, the DF, the Rubbery Bellringer, the Language of Laces, and the Chap on the Corner. Looks like establishing that level of connection with your favoured factions will be useful in shaping your experiences west of London.

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Rostygold
Rostygold
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7/5/2020
So... without giving the Duplicator to the butcher, the player can only have Warblers, Somnolent Hyenas and Focused Albatrosses killed, regardless of how much the commercial district has been developed.


That's a bit disappointing to me. I was eager to see the options to have the other animals slain.

P.S. Nope, no Bats killed there! The Butcher likes bats and gives his attic over to them.
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PJ
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7/5/2020
So, I'm noticing a lot of the new content uses mid-tier Renown items to unlock faction-specific content.


This is good to know, as I mostly didn't spend the favors on equipment that wouldn't improve my stats. It looks like I have seven of these left to acquire.

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The Lonely Hunter
The Lonely Hunter
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7/5/2020
Rostygold wrote:
The Lonely Hunter wrote:
I don't have the Butchery at full capacity, but I have a [Redacted] from Flute Street and it might be worth seeing if you can get Rubbery Skulls from it. It would still be Fate locked, but it would save me time if that were possible.



You are going to have the Rubbery Hound killed, aren't you?



Naw, I'm going to develop a bone duplication machine before heading back to Ealing. Though admittedly, I can't imagine that the butcher does anything worse to it than the Bishop of Southwark does.

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