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Hannah Flynn
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6/24/2020



Until not long ago, there was a treaty line between London and Hell. Then Virginia became Lord Mayor.


You are invited to involve yourself in the formation of the Great Hellbound Railway Company. Aid in the construction of London’s new railway line to Hell’s Hinterlands, negotiate with the Tracklayers’ Union (via its fearsome representative, Furnace Ancona), and build out the line to Ealing Garden and beyond!


Building a railway involves some timed elements. It cannot be done in a day. Here’s an idea of what you can expect at the new railway stations, to whet your appetite while you wait:
  • Ealing Gardens: Visit one of London's more Rubbery neighbourhoods, and invest in its further development. If you've been looking for a good butcher, you can set one up here
  • Jericho Locks: Travel the waterways that link London and Hell
  • The Magistracy of the Evenlode: The last outpost of the Constables

Additional stations will come later in the year.


Persons of Some Importance who have a specialisation will find the Railway opportunity in their deck; look for Advertisements of a New Venture. This update also introduces the changes to the Persuasive level cap, so you will require 175 Persuasive to begin.

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PSGarak
PSGarak
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6/25/2020
I was initially annoyed by the time-gate, but I kind of appreciate it now. I'm not in a mad rush to do all the new content TO THE MAX and can take my time to explore the new secondary options that opened up (like the hilarity that the Device lets you do in the Bone Market). It's a departure from how FL usually works and it's taking some control away from the player, but I can see the design decision and I think it works. Plus once we get stations built out, and the default issue to vote on is "dividends," then gating on Time the Healer will feel more natural and routine, like the Nadir.

(Honestly it also gives me an appreciation for why infrastructure projects are often so delayed and overbudget. The frustration of "it's just a stupid hole, the solution is obvious, why do we even need to vote and why won't you people see reason" is a good match of mechanics to text.)


The experiments with time-limited pacing are a new thing that we've now seen with several Ambitions, Whitsun, and now the Railway. I think I like the Railway best because my daily cadence for playing varies considerably but my weekly cadence is steady. But it depends on the content being ungated each week actually being a week's worth of content. So far this seems plausible but we'll see. It's also a little unfair that some players get to experience the new content at different times based on their timing of Time the Healer.

Of course, I also wasn't bitten by losing a week to an unfortunate edge case. I think it would be worth it to install some rails to not let you end the board meeting until after a Big Decision, and possibly separating the composition and voting aspect into separate phases.



As far as min-maxing the board: Maybe there will be advantages later, there's some implication of that. Right now I think I just want the smallest possible (which is 4?), but within that constraint, minimizing the number of actions to get everyone on board. So for one, board members ideally persuaded by the same thing (e.g. Obfuscation, or Bribery). For another, having board members who don't oppose what you're about to do (e.g. Jenny would presumably not be OK with dynamiting an orphanage).

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Meradine Heidenreich
Meradine Heidenreich
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6/25/2020
Rostygold wrote:
Get players to accumulate the cards of course; Failbetter would love to have irrationally desperate players to spend Fate on card refills.


Except card refills are trivially available now, so hardly.

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Diptych
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8/4/2020
I am very much looking forward to turning this venture into a worker co-operative and high-fiving Furnace in the boardroom.

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PSGarak
PSGarak
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8/1/2020
I'm amused because the player sentiments in this thread are pretty close mirrors to the disconnect between management and labor in practice. And I'm pretty sure at least some of you are doing that unintentionally and unironically.

For the Union workers, the railway is their life's accomplishment. For my character, it's a once-a-week side-gig in-between building fashionable skeletons, boxing matches with bears, and my academic investigation into the fruits of my international relations with Arbour. And yet somehow I'm the one with the equity stake and they're the one whose paycheck stops after the line is complete. Should they be satisfied because I gave them some extra food ration? And Mrs Plenty's week-old leftovers at that.

I have no idea what the actual track-laying conditions are. I don't even visit unless there's a problem that threatens the Railway itself. Maybe that's part of why they're striking.

I wish I had some options to reconnoiter or improve relations before I go to the Board, though.

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Diptych
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8/14/2020
Late August refers to the Jovial Contrarian's more recent writing.

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Sir Reginald Monteroy
Sir Reginald Monteroy
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6/24/2020
Although I am just a tiny bit into the new content, I am already loving the involvement (and possible involvement) of many of favourite characters.

I also found a particularly funny and apropriate typo in one of the options for the first Board Meeting of the Company:

[spoiler]
Vote to honour this historic moment with a donation to the Impoverished

It is a small token, but would establish the Board's purpose for the Company: to bring charity, good well, and an improved life to Londoners. (sic)

[/spoiler]

I hope I'm not breaking any rules by posting it here, both as a feedback and for the amusement of the fellow Seekers.

A reckoning is indeed ever on our minds!

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Parabuteo
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8/1/2020
It is we who plowed the prairies; built the cities where they trade;
Dug the mines and built the workshops, endless miles of railroad laid;

Now we stand outcast and starving midst the wonders we have made;

But the union makes us strong


I regret only that it took this long to give the workers their rightful due.

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Diptych
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8/7/2020
The Great Hellbound Railway is now a worker-owned venture, and I am forging ahead toward the Magistracy. My train carriages have comfortable seats and curtains, suitable for all kinds of passengers, but I absolutely refuse to class-segregate the carriages. We also have dedicated baggage carriages (nothing secret - if I need to smuggle anything, I'll do it myself, rather than putting the railway staff at risk). In short, I'm bloody loving the railway content.

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Alexander Feld
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8/11/2020
Maybe we'll finally have another way to lower Banditry. One more efficient and less silly than just running around personally intervening in every mugging like a railway-owning Batman.

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Winthropx
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8/1/2020
My railroad’s charter was for the downtrodden. I tried to keep the workers happy as we built the track so far. I turned from vengeance in Nemesis to get something even more worthwhile to me. I see no problem in giving the Union a greater stake in the railroad. Their success in building it is the only reason it’s made it this far in the first place. If they have more skin in the success of the railroad, the better it can be in the long run.

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Alpha900i
Alpha900i
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8/14/2020
There is post on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/fallenlondon/comments/i8ubgp/magistracy_of_the_evenlode_time_unlock/), that have comment with supposedly Olivia's words

separately, evenlode is going to have to be pushed out till a bit later than this week because after recent pain, putting content out on a friday is ahahaha no. And there's a few more things to do to it. (I don't mind this at all because a lot of it is mine and I'm genuinely nervous about how parts of it will go down but I suppose that doesn't make that better for you!)


Update: yeah, looks like Discord have a search feature. Who would know. Anyway, I was able to find this quote, so it should be accurate. And some more comments on dreams update, but this is most interesting thing. And - yeah, people from IT know too well all horrors of "let's update on a Friday" concept.
edited by Alpha900i on 8/14/2020
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Hattington
Hattington
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8/30/2020
You know, after coming this far with Railway I nearly forgot the only other, much more abandoned and forlorn thing on Moloch Stick: The Honey-Addled Detective. That man has been sitting his office listlessly, mulling over the same minor case about a starving artist nobody cares about for years on end while I'm out there building diving bells and learning the Bazaar's dread debts. Imagine how he must feel, his client of many years ago going up in the world owning his own railway while the man just sits there toying with a case nobody cares to touch. He's probably so honey-addled at this point that he's basically a joyride for bored Fingerkings, only remaining functional because even to them he's a useless, unfun sack of bones quickly abandoned for more interesting storylets in Parabola or elsewhere in the Neath. What a sad ending for Definitely Not Sherlock Holmes, becoming a forgotten side character.

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fungo maddens
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9 days ago
Rostygold wrote:
Viscountess is now a potential Board Member. Where would she sit during the Board Meeting? Someone's lap?

Just put a large cardboard box on a chair -- she'll be happy.
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Diptych
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6/24/2020
Choo choo!

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Aro Saren
Aro Saren
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6/24/2020
Main question: why card instead of fixed storylet somewhere?

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Sir Reginald Monteroy
Sir Reginald Monteroy
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6/25/2020
Optimatum wrote:
Apparently you can boot board members after voting on another issue, but the delay is mildly annoying.



Has anyone noticed any advantage to stocking the Board full with the various members? Or do you figure they are more to be viewed as an inconvenience, in that you'll have to use an action to persuade every single one on every single vote? Because so far we seem to be incentivised to thin the Board as much as possible, while you'd think having like-minded members on there should actually help.

Maybe the composition and number of Board Members will play other roles down the line? Hope so, as I'm quite fond of many possible members. Contrarian, HAL, both Bishops and others - it's like Dilmun's Club joins the Calendar Council on a trip to Hell smile

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PSGarak
PSGarak
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6/25/2020
Intriguing Curate wrote:
Trying to avoid spoiling anything, but going to use a spoiler tag just in case. Just an issue I've ran into.

[spoiler]I believe that particular item is actually a Fate-locked reward from the Festival of the Exceptional Rose, not the Exceptional Story. It's a reference to that story, but not mechanically related at all.[/spoiler]

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Hattington
Hattington
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6/25/2020
WOO WOO. Spoilers all over my mantelpiece, be warned.

Thank goodness I saved all that Hinterland Scrip! I'm just about ready to start planning my first route after my actions refresh enough to grind out some Puzzling Maps. Got Jenny and April on the board of directors. Didn't want to be THIS society and labour-leaning, but I just couldn't resist bringing over my old Vake-hunting buddies and there weren't any better choices. The Church can figuratively (and literally after we're done) go to hell though, so I took on the Bishop of Saint Fiacre's.

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Rostygold
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6/25/2020
That said, bravo, Failbetter. I had speculated that the Railway would begin through acquisition of tracts of land from the Forgotten Quarter. I didn't know that it would start from Moloch Street instead.
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Plynkes
Plynkes
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6/25/2020
Tintinnabulum wrote:
It took a few full draws of decks but I eventually got the card. I perhaps-notted out of it, since I didn't have the requisite scrip or favors to start, and the card disappeared-- which may or may not be a bug, but I couldn't continue just yet anyway (and still can't) so it doesn't matter at the moment.




Ha! Ha! Same thing happened to me! Attempt to draw the card for almost an entire day and not a bleedin' sausage. This morning it finally shows up and I "perhaps not" out of the card in the hope of rustling up a couple of society favours and all of a sudden it's Goodnight Irene as the card has out of nowhere done a runner.


I shall be writing to Trading Standards and my Member of Parliament. smile

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Plynkes
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6/24/2020
So that I will be unable to play it. The cards hate me! smile

(I once went about two months without seeing the Great Game card, just when I needed some GG favours rather sharpish.)

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Optimatum
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6/24/2020
A reminder: the wiki would very much appreciate records for any of the mutually-exclusive options! smile
edited by Optimatum on 6/24/2020

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Diptych
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7/3/2020
Good heavens but there's a lot of new content at Ealing. There are a number of development opportunities, some mutually exclusive, and all requiring scrip. You might want your thread to cover more than just butchery.


Also, it offers both the chance to improve one's maximum Dangerous, and a bear in an ill-fitting hat.
edited by Diptych on 7/3/2020

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Sir Reginald Monteroy
Sir Reginald Monteroy
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6/30/2020
Deathjack999 wrote:
Rostygold wrote:
Deathjack999 wrote:
Thing for the Wiki Editors.

Since you can hire April as a member of your Board with BaL 2000, is the same true for the other Ambitions?


You mean the other outcomes of the Ambition? It should be.

I meant for the other three ambitions, Light Fingers, Hearts Desire and Nemesis.


I finished Nemesis and there is no option to hire anyone from the Ambition. Arguably, there are few if any suitable candidates along the path. Revenge is a lonely path...

Specifically, Esurient Smith (the Nemesis-specific Lab Specialist) is particularly unsuitable for this sort of position, though I suppose perhaps you could try to draft Lilac.

On the other hand, I would be particularly interested in

[spoiler]
Managing to push my resurrected brother onto the Board, as I'm sure those with other returned relatives would also appreciate. This would really emphasise the whole "family" aspect of Nemesis, allow for establishing a perfectly legal family branch as well as potentially underhanded business practices within he Board and give Nemesis players who chose to return their relative a feeling of meaningful accomplishment.

Wow, until now I never realized what it was I was missing from Nemesis conclusion...
[/spoiler]

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Winthropx
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7/10/2020
The club card for Sophia’s text changes based on what you used in your watchtower. I used the boatman’s Lantern and it mentioned that.

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PSGarak
PSGarak
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7/11/2020
The Big Research Frog Book is similar to the Big Research Bird Book--it unlocks the ability to make a new Skeleton type. In particular, Reptile and Amphibian, which have Legs for all their limbs (Reptile has a Tail and Amphibian does not).

There's a Shapeling Arts check before starting the research, and some Whitsun-locked options to raise Shapeling Arts during the book research only, but I still haven't found the cap increase.

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Hattington
Hattington
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7/20/2020
"It cannot be a worse idea than some other mayors we have had," says Feducci. Everyone stares in his direction.

Oh, Feducci. Never change.

EDIT:

April writes: Can't be sure how her war with Parabola would come out. Strong chance the Fingerkings would have the upper...

She breaks off here, obviously realising how strange it is to speak of snakes having the upper hand. She strikes through the word 'upper' with a bold line of pencil and instead writes ...advantage.


I just wanted to say that voting for the Viscountess was worth it solely for the reactions from my fellow Railway board members.

EDIT 2:

This is getting to be a rather large post but I'm getting curveballs from people generally not reacting the way I expected them to. The short of it is: The Efficient Commissioner did NOT react with screaming or flustered protests when at long last I managed to gleefully vote her off the board. Her answer's echoed on my mantelpiece; suffice to say she seems entirely convinced I will regret my decision. I'm both aware of her description of the Bazaar's creditor from her nightmares and utterly committed to this course of action because SHE ATE UP MY ACTIONS FOR VOTING ON THE BOARD AND THAT IS UNFORGIVEABLE but boy, am I hoping Virginia is exaggerating about even very costly guns for the trains being as useless as wrapping paper.

edited by Hattington on 7/20/2020
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Jules Asimov
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7/20/2020
I just endorsed the rubber man mayor, and this is what feducci said when I convinced him yes:
[spoiler]"It cannot be a worse idea than some other mayors we have had," says Feducci. Everyone stares in his direction.[/spoiler]

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Tsar Koschei
Tsar Koschei
Posts: 341

7/21/2020
"An endorsement is much less entertaining than a vigorous speech entirely undermining each candidate in turn," says the Jovial Contrarian. "But in this circumstance, let me proclaim whole-heartedly: OTHATAROOTH!"

This guy.

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Tsar Koschei
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7/24/2020
I suspect train defences will come into play more as we move further along the tracks. The bandits around Ealing are small fry, but there is probably worse to come.

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Optimatum
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8/6/2020
JaneAnkhVeos wrote:
Speaking of which, do we know anything about the last two Pharaoh's Daughters in this echo? I was able to identify only the first four...



We do know the fates of all six, though mapping them to the figurines is much harder.

[spoiler]
The Duchess is in London, the Mother Superior is in Abbey Rock, the Obstinate Adoratrice is in Parabola, the Roseate Queen is in Arbor, the eldest sister died in the House of the Feather, and the youngest died on the surface.

The rose is clearly the Roseate Queen; the mirror is the Adoratrice. The Duchess is presumably the cat, though she could also be the poison. The Mother Superior is likely the ankh or possibly poison. The broken figure could be either the eldest or youngest; I suspect the latter. Then the eldest is presumably the poison.

I don't think we can be certain without knowing what, exactly, the House of the Feather is or how the eldest died. There's also some confusion added by the Calendar Code contradicting which sister the Duchess is.
[/spoiler]
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Tsar Koschei
Tsar Koschei
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9/3/2020
There is a third way to get the steel now by the way, you can get it in exchange for surface blooms from upper river smuggling.

Also, you grind your justificandes from the chessboard? I've mostly done a few heists and then sold some corrective narratives to the revs up-river. Not sure what is actually the bet way but these seemed more convenient to me.

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babelfishwars
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8/28/2020
CHOO CHOO

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Aro Saren
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8/14/2020
Jules Asimov wrote:
So, speculation time: does later in August mean next week, the week after, or the 30 or 31st?
edited by Jules Asimov on 8/14/2020



Everything from August 15 to the end of September.


Still beats years without any content.
edited by Aro Saren on 8/14/2020

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Diptych
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8/1/2020
So, obviously, I want to have the railroad become a workers' co-operative. Is it necessary to provoke the strike by charting the more unpleasant route to do so? Or could I run the track through the hills and have the railroad become worker-owned anyway?

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8/1/2020
And this is what I call... railroading (dun-dun-dun!).

Basically, first you're denied any reasonable options, and then thrown a bunch of extreme ones.

Several weeks ago I complained that there's no direct way to reduce the debt: you're either luring in some suckers or trading contraband junk food.
Some of our characters are wealthy. Some are notoriiously wealthy. Some are in effect heirs of a certain Master or new ones, hold a lease on the whole London or stand in for the Empress. Why should I bother with a filthy stand in a middle of nowhere, if I should be able to simply pay the whole debt immediately? In reasonable world it's called investment, since I do get profit from the railway afterwards.

The same goes for the Union. I can understand Emancipationists perfectly, whole their position is rather simple. And little talk with Furnace only cemented my views.
It would be perfectly reasonable for me to fund something nice for them or simply pay for their project, because the best worker is the worker satisfied with their employer. I would impose conditions, it's a deal, not a charity, but so far they've shown that they're able and willing to do what I need from them. In reasonable worlds it's called cooperation.
But the only options I have are funding Liberation, which is exactly what you should not do in this situation, and feeding them rats and shit (actually rubbery lumps are made only at Mutton Island, after all).
Argument that "at that time such an option would be considered preposterous" is not valid: I've staged several utterly scandalous ballets, killed a Master, deposed a Provost of the prestigious college and whatever else, whole my career as Fallen Londoner is about telling others to stuff it deep enough that something clever actually comes from the other side.

For the people not familiar with table-top role-playing games: "railroading" is a scenario writing style where only specific sequence of events is possible, and all deviations are ignored and/or punished. While every story must have some backbone, this term is usually used when it's done in a stupid and unjustified way, because writer wants to make a point or simply just too stupid to think of any other option not conforming to their narrow vision.
Imagine Comtessa story from Ladybones road, where in the final scene the only option existing would be to kill her.

So, Failbetter, I have a rather short question: WHAT THE ****?!

I wanted to say something about outfits, but **** it. Especially since the latest news are the feature is apparently to stay and be doubly enforced, to indeed make a point.
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Lucius Vera
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8/1/2020
Okay, that's it, I'm getting my unionbusting stick out. I understand emansipationists, can tolerate having to deal with liberationist and even keep everyone more or less happy, but that attitude and sheer audacity to demand a part of my company and permanent change of a charter is staggering. The definition of barking at the wrong tree. After that there is no way I'm ever having Furnace on the board.
And on the other point, as Aro said, why do I have to sell pies in the middle of nowhere? Espessially when I have an ambition related network of connections. I can understand it mechanically - such an item would be a key to all money related locks, which is bad, but narratively there is no reason not to use it.
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The Curious Watcher
The Curious Watcher
Posts: 323

7/31/2020
Spoilers for next "obstacle" towards the Evenlode,

[spoiler]




My knee-jerk reaction is to pull a Mr Fires and sicc the Constables on the entire Union, because even though I respect Furnace a great deal, they decided to REBEL even though I gave them all the sausages they could ever want. They even have the audacity to pressure me into changing the company's (aka my own) scientific charter, like they weren't being paid already!

I am a fair and just Master, and I would have agreed to give them more income if they had simply ASKED POLITELY, but strikes for no good reason? Biting the very hands that feed them? I can see why the Masters react so negatively to labour strikes and stick to clay labour now.

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Hattington
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8/1/2020
Jel wrote:
To be fair, owning someone's labour is owning someone's labour regardless of how nice you are to them.


I spent so much time building skeletons and dipping in and out of Parabola just to buy them pies and biscuits, and foraging solacefruit. This betrayal is absolutely unforgiveable.

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8/1/2020
Aro Saren wrote:
I do not see any disagreement, actually: I want the option to meaningfully cooperate with them, you want to subdue them. Nowhere I saw that we oppose including each other's proposed options. I mean, really, why not both? Especially because there's a long story of actually having 3-4 such options in such situations in this game.

I want to disaggree about food. Well, not exactly: I do not contest your point about provisions, it's just there's more than simply food to them. Build infirmary or buy insurance for injured during the track laying, pay in scrip to allow them to buy such a desired land and settle, ****, simply provide them with better uniforms (from Veils' manufactures, because why not?) and tools, whatever. Then stick a different combination of resources to each option, and voila.


Also, the whole part where we have to smuggle supplies for a fucking railway, that the Bazaar itself is investor of, from the Bone Market, trading them for skeletons each time, with occasional visit to your lab, pisses me off to no end. I can understand perfumed gunpowder, it's borderline legal, with revolutionaries and all. But having to beg old Miriam to feed workers, because it's faster than to **** with skeletons, or trying to impress a certain enthusiast to get some steel, when hiring him and his furnace would be cheaper, or whole that gamut with scrip, when Virginia made certain it's distrubuted quickly and easily, is simply stupid.
I can understand it meta-sense - otherwise noone would ever need that stupid market, aside from genuine enthusisasts of build-a-akeleton. I can relate with people loving it, hey, why not, but shoving it down our throats is another matter.
edited by Aro Saren on 8/1/2020


I do find it funny that the far more preferable option, for me at least, to get some steel is to use mirrors as portals and steal it directly from Mr. Iron's supplies-so to get meta again in the event of anyone actually sympathising with the stuffy commissioner you would STILL technically be causing trouble for the Bazaar while ostensibly working on it's behalf because I'm literally robbing a Master for construction supplies.

But yeah, after all the investment in honey carriages and massive explosive shell cannons mounted on the trains (how it hasn't alarmed the Constables to put what sounds like military grade firepower into the hands of private enterprise and potentially-in order of escalating concern-a known revolutionary, a Deviless and FEDUCCI I'll never know) it's rather odd you can't just find a public field hospital or some state-funded tenements or even just a barrelfull of those wonderful health tonics the Bazaar itself freely sells.

There seems to be the implication based on the Unobserved Charity card that the reason for this is the Bazaar/Board sees it as unprofitable to admit working conditions could be better for workers at all because such practices have been going back since Furnace's accident but if it REALLY IS that socially gauche to admit "Hey, we may need some bandages for arms broken while hammering spokes!" you'd think Furnace would share those details more readily-or rather, you'd think there would be an option to get close enough to Furnace to share some memoirs on this sort of thing. And I mean, the Soft-Hearted Widow isn't exactly a pariah from society.

Edit: Actually you know what sod excuses, it just occurred to me way back there was an option to pay extra Hinterland Scrip to be the board member who secretly owns half the company you're managing together. Odd that you can't just show your hand early on and have everyone chin up and give the workers better conditions with how scrupulous the Bazaar itself normally is about honouring debts. What are they going to do, complain you put too much money in the railway that is now mostly your property?

"A pox on you good sir, for daring to make drastic and sweeping decisions about the workforce who works far more for you than for me because I have to share it with that amused tosser and a wanted criminal! I'll have you thrown out on your ear if you DARE be this charitable to-no wait stop I was just bluffing come back stay stay STAY we literally need your precious money to legally run this enterprise won't you please have a drink"
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Aro Saren
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8/1/2020
Hattington wrote:

"A pox on you good sir, for daring to make drastic and sweeping decisions about the workforce who works far more for you than for me because I have to share it with that amused tosser and a wanted criminal! I'll have you thrown out on your ear if you DARE be this charitable to-no wait stop I was just bluffing come back stay stay STAY we literally need your precious money to legally run this enterprise won't you please have a drink"



Why would I walk away? Or even bluff doing it? I'd rather kick that whiner instead - directors must be kept in line and can be terrorised just as well as workers, especially when it's you who owns most of the company.

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Hattington
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8/1/2020
PSGarak wrote:
I'm amused because the player sentiments in this thread are pretty close mirrors to the disconnect between management and labor in practice. And I'm pretty sure at least some of you are doing that unintentionally and unironically.

For the Union workers, the railway is their life's accomplishment. For my character, it's a once-a-week side-gig in-between building fashionable skeletons, boxing matches with bears, and my academic investigation into the fruits of my international relations with Arbour. And yet somehow I'm the one with the equity stake and they're the one whose paycheck stops after the line is complete. Should they be satisfied because I gave them some extra food ration? And Mrs Plenty's week-old leftovers at that.

I have no idea what the actual track-laying conditions are. I don't even visit unless there's a problem that threatens the Railway itself. Maybe that's part of why they're striking.

I wish I had some options to reconnoiter or improve relations before I go to the Board, though.



I'd like to clarify I'm doing that wholly unironically but not unintentionally because you know-you're right, I'm never going to see these workers after the railway to Hell is finally finished. I am fully aware of the irony, I just feel irrationally spiteful about all my skeletons and Parabola hunts not overcoming the current obstacle to getting what I want despite the higher cost relative to sponsoring Liberationists.

Hell, Ambition: Bag a Legend straight up asked me if I would spare the Vake out of admiration for it and my answering that with a resounding "Yes" is the closest thing I've gotten to roleplaying in Fallen London after all this time. If the game gives me an option to terrorise the workers with my Vake steed I'll pick it faster than you can say "Mr. Fires has a new drinking buddy"

I REJECT MY HUMANITY, LONDON!


(well not as much as the Heart's Desire folks because I didn't actually win the rights to undergo treatment for becoming a Master in a century or so, but hey! I'm doing my best!)
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The Curious Watcher
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8/1/2020
PSGarak wrote:
I'm amused because the player sentiments in this thread are pretty close mirrors to the disconnect between management and labor in practice. And I'm pretty sure at least some of you are doing that unintentionally and unironically.



Oh, I totally agree. This is how the whole conversation went down:

Furnace: Our workers are getting maimed from doing backbreaking labor, being repeatedly robbed by bandits, and getting sick from spending weeks at the marshes building someone else's railroad, and you think you can pay us off with extra sausages?

Me: Yeah, yeah I did.

Furnace: We're not friends.

I don't get my jollies from kicking down Union workers but this is not their railroad, this is MY railroad! I'm the one that invested and secured investments to keep it out of debt. I'm the one who pays the workers and bribes / threaten the other board members so that the railway can be the best railway possible! I have my statue in front of every station! I'm the one that brought their union head into the Board of Directors! I even mass-produced the railway tracks they're using to make the thing IN ADDITION TO PAYING THEM SAUSAGES! I am the reason the GHR has gotten this far! And they still dare bite the hand that feeds them? With Furnace specifically stating that we are not even friends?

The only reason I have the max possible board members allowed is because I can boss around almost every faction in the Neath with impunity! And this union thinks that they can take over MY company because they did harsh labor and erroneously believe they can threaten me with terrorism? In the past, I helped Mr Fires put down a union, testified against a Cryptozoologist to secure my academic dept., sold an Unfinished Man into slavery, and have bested the most cunning individuals in the Neath to become a Master of the Bazaar itself, and they still think they are in a position to extort me?

I remember that the only reason that I helped Johnny Croak destroy Mr Fires' factory was specifically to save the environment and frogs for further academic study, not because of the miserable folks working for the Masters. To me at least, institutional exploitation of the masses is pretty much a universal constant with or without Masters, so decreasing the plight of the downtrodden is not necessarily my problem (that should tell you all what kind of character I'm like).

Villain dialogue aside, I planned to give them as much support as possible and not get in their way ASSUMING that they did their job, but like Furnace said, I was mistaken to try to be friendly towards them. The logical part of me states that paying them off is the better option since they deserve safer working conditions and gives them no excuse to complain further, but the Master in me tells me that putting them down is for the principle, screw positive working relationships entirely out of spite. I'll see how it goes from here, but I definitely sympathize more with the Masters now.

I did become a Discordant, but I also did not hit Furnace when I had the chance (am really regretting that now).
edited by The Curious Watcher on 8/1/2020

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loredeluxe
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6/25/2020
Mildly annoying is putting it mildly. I know the very core of the game has a timegate in the form of the candles, but one week between major decisions seems very unnecessary. FailBetter has never seemed to mind before the rate at which players consume content.
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Aro Saren
Aro Saren
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8/1/2020
I do not see any disagreement, actually: I want the option to meaningfully cooperate with them, you want to subdue them. Nowhere I saw that we oppose including each other's proposed options. I mean, really, why not both? Especially because there's a long story of actually having 3-4 such options in such situations in this game.

I want to disaggree about food. Well, not exactly: I do not contest your point about provisions, it's just there's more than simply food to them. Build infirmary or buy insurance for injured during the track laying, pay in scrip to allow them to buy such a desired land and settle, ****, simply provide them with better uniforms (from Veils' manufactures, because why not?) and tools, whatever. Then stick a different combination of resources to each option, and voila.


Also, the whole part where we have to smuggle supplies for a fucking railway, that the Bazaar itself is investor of, from the Bone Market, trading them for skeletons each time, with occasional visit to your lab, pisses me off to no end. I can understand perfumed gunpowder, it's borderline legal, with revolutionaries and all. But having to beg old Miriam to feed workers, because it's faster than to **** with skeletons, or trying to impress a certain enthusiast to get some steel, when hiring him and his furnace would be cheaper, or whole that gamut with scrip, when Virginia made certain it's distrubuted quickly and easily, is simply stupid.
I can understand it meta-sense - otherwise noone would ever need that stupid market, aside from genuine enthusisasts of build-a-akeleton. I can relate with people loving it, hey, why not, but shoving it down our throats is another matter.
edited by Aro Saren on 8/1/2020

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Rostygold
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8/11/2020
Alexander Feld wrote:
Maybe we'll finally have another way to lower Banditry. One more efficient and less silly than just running around personally intervening in every mugging like a railway-owning Batman.



By the way, just so anyone is wondering, no, there is no special card about fighting crime that appears at the Hinterlands (or London for that matter) if one has the Ratwork Velocipede.

That would have been very Batman, if there was such a card.
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Sir Reginald Monteroy
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8/4/2020
What a disappointing development. After tackling Red Science, Palaeontology and Discordance during the previous stretches, now we have to waste precious time handling something as mundane as a Union on strike?

AND they have the gall to say that something is more important than pursuit of knowledge???

How tedious. Guess I'll just have keep throwing money at them and hope this Charter nonsense gives way before my patience does.

Has anyone already been able to hold the Meeting that deals with this obstacle and seen if afterwards you can continue building all the way to Evenlode?

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The Curious Watcher
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8/9/2020
Toran wrote:
I'm having angst over the damn solacefruit. I had a small stockpile from Flint years ago, have now run out, and am basically unable to functionally grind them from the Waswood because they seem to only pop one out of maybe 10 tries. I guess I'll have to start digging bones with my workers.


If you didn't know, a possibly easier source is hiding from nightmares at the Parabolan Base Camp. As long as you are wearing nightmare gear (sporting hat), you will get Solacefruit semi-regularly.

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menaulon
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8/9/2020
Toran wrote:
I'm having angst over the damn solacefruit. I had a small stockpile from Flint years ago, have now run out, and am basically unable to functionally grind them from the Waswood because they seem to only pop one out of maybe 10 tries. I guess I'll have to start digging bones with my workers.



If you have Parabolan defenses, then Hide in your Base-Camp has a 50% chance of giving a solacefruit on success, along with Nightmare reduction. You might have to do some hunting to increase nightmares if you need a lot of solace fruits, but it will be much faster than Waswood.

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Tsar Koschei
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8/10/2020
Which cards in the hinterlands are currently worth playing? All the options that give rumours are trivial now, so what's left? Mushrooms for nightsoil, narratives for justificande, ears and artist protection for trophies, saving old men to reduce banditry, looking around the river for bones... there's a few options with specialized aims like these. Anything else? Anything inherently profitable?

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Kloxe
Kloxe
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8/10/2020
I've just discovered that the minimum number of board members is 5, not 6 as I had previously thought! Sorry TE, it's been fun but come Thursday my board will be LADIES ONLY!

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NNNnobody
NNNnobody
Posts: 126

8/11/2020
If the workers want a share of the company, I want to get paid for the railway steel. And lunch. And I can strike too, by not making the Contrarian settle for a side whenever there's a vote.

Kloxe wrote:
I've just discovered that the minimum number of board members is 5, not 6 as I had previously thought! Sorry TE, it's been fun but come Thursday my board will be LADIES ONLY!

Now that you mention it, all my board members are male, except for the one mandated by government/the bazaar. Implications implications

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JaneAnkhVeos
JaneAnkhVeos
Posts: 168

8/5/2020
So excited about the Second and First Cities lore in Jericho and further!

Speaking of which, do we know anything about the last two Pharaoh's Daughters in this echo? I was able to identify only the first four...

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Tsar Koschei
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8/6/2020
Anyone got the result for the unionbuster route with the tracklayers yet? Also, how far along can you go after the meeting?

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Diptych
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8/11/2020
I expect we'll be able to study a particularly exemplary fish in the near future, and be able to start constructing sea creature skeletons. And if we were to erect statues of HAL, Furnace and the Widow, then Society, Docks and Criminals favours would work - assuming Furnace's unionising activities has inspired the dockworkers. Or perhaps the Wandering Gondolier would make more sense for Docks? Eh, I dunno.

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Judaspriester
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8/11/2020
Deathjack999 wrote:
Everyone who bcked Gabrandt now has an easier time getting Orange Apples.

You need the Augmented Electrostatic Machine, Hedonism 6 and 100 Bone Fragments, but doing this makes 2 Orange Apples as opposed to just one from using Screams or Bone Fragments.
edited by Deathjack999 on 8/11/2020



Yeah, I was already thinking about this. It looks tempting but on the other hand, I like to keep hedonist 15 on my char roleplay wise. Even if there is nothing where I profit from a capped value.

Besides that, keep in mind that this option also costs -21 cp hedonist. I'm not sure how fast you can build hedonist up, but this should somewhat balance the new option.

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Alpha900i
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8/12/2020
Do you mean that basic visit in complany of Gondolier or there is something else here?
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Aro Saren
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8/12/2020
Basic, yes.

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Winthropx
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8/13/2020
For the next station, I wonder if we’d be able to build a statue to the Last Constable or to the Cheery Man depending on who we favored. Maybe we can add prisoner carrying cars too.

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Sir Reginald Monteroy
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8/13/2020
Winthropx wrote:
For the next station, I wonder if we’d be able to build a statue to the Last Constable or to the Cheery Man depending on who we favored. Maybe we can add prisoner carrying cars too.



Well, I think that a Mail Wagon would actually make more sense, considering the increasing remoteness of the areas. It would also be quite flavorful.

A statue of people who are not members of the Board would be a first, but if we're to build a statue in every station, it's bound to happen sooner or later...

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8/11/2020
Jules Asimov wrote:
Yeah, I'm betting you can build a statue to yourself for the whole "Defender of Public Safety" thing.
Speaking of the 21-stat things, does anyone have any ideas about what the shadowy one will be? I think it will probably be released with the evenlode, alongside the shadowy 212 update.


Wow, it never occured to me the 21-stat things were related! I guess that means I'll have to take a break from Lab, Railway and Palaeontology and go hunt a lot of Bears and Sharks somewhere down the line. Completely forgot about the Public Safety thing...

Considering the shark remains and a number of other food-themed (and zee-themed) items have been lacking reasonable use, perhaps we'll be able to establish a canteen for the nice fellows at Evenlode? It could provide a nice tie-in with the Butcher's at Ealing, and likely provide opportunities for various degrees of shade on the whole Law-Crime axis.

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Hattington
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8/8/2020
I am somewhat disappointed there was no option to terrorise the workers with my Vake. Apparently there wasn't even much constable brutality and I just hired other people until the strikers cracked. Aww.

Also, has anyone tried to keep their workforce well-fed while punishing them? Not sure if it's because I TRIED to take the most brutal approach but while I started supporting the paleontological workers out of revenge, I did try ONE well-fed option for old times' sake and apparently it didn't lower worker dissatisfaction. Although they did give me some Antique Mysteries and a Searing Enigma out of gratitude/as tribute out of terrified fear I will unleash the Vake, which is better anyway.

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The Curious Watcher
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8/1/2020
We have two of the three possible results for dealing with our current labor disagreement:

[spoiler]




[/spoiler]

I would like to point out that according to Furnace's own words, the Union will not settle for anything less than a significant share of the company, paying them off is only a temporary measure until this happens again.


I will make this clear: I am perfectly willing to give the Union better wages and benefits, but they will have to pry the charter from my permanently-dead hands if they wish to change the charter and take over the GHR, and I will crush any subsequent attempt at a strike with no remorse. If I could sacrifice my mental and physical well-being to Seek the Name without any hope of a reward, it is definitely possible for the Union to finish the railroad while eating sausages and biscuits.

In other words, I am a more merciful Master than Mr Eaten, but I have more grit than all of the Tracklayers' Union combined when it comes to pursuing my goals. Don't push your luck, Ancona.

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Diptych
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8/4/2020
Ah, yes, I believe that was the one I chose to get this result.

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Tsar Koschei
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8/4/2020
Mm. Jolly good.

I rather think I will respond with truncheons.

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chiche
chiche
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8/1/2020
Yes, I successfully read the text on the stone. You are right. It is indeed possible. I look forward to how the author will write follow-up content. I love the content of the workers' strike here.

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Hattington
Hattington
Posts: 314

8/1/2020
Winthropx wrote:
I just got it. The text made me think she didn’t really wanna strike cause of how well they were treated, but the Union thought now was the best/safest area to strike in.

My charter for the company is already for the betterment of the unfortunate, so I’m already inclined to give the union a share of the company.
edited by Winthropx on 8/1/2020


This question is also aimed at The Curious Watcher up there: Just curious, did you guys read the Discordance stone? I wonder if the decision to strike was in any way influenced by my decision to ignore Furnace's warning and read the stone-whether indirectly ("That idiot's going to get us all killed! STRIKE! STRIKE!") or directly (like, because the Discordance somehow concentrated the concept of unrest and drove everyone up in arms or something)

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Aro Saren
Aro Saren
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8/1/2020
Lucius Vera wrote:
Especially when I have an ambition related network of connections. I can understand it mechanically - such an item would be a key to all money related locks, which is bad, but narratively there is no reason not to use it.


Honestly, the problem does not exist - do not make the option for ambition completers free, make it cheaper, while everyone else pays full price. My network of Veils' connections is not a pile of solid gold gathering dust until I spend it, after all - it's an active business.
I fully expect to sometimes spend money on it to make things go my way. It's called investment and dividends.
And I don't even require all my profits to by monetary (or directly convertable to monetary) in nature - even being a greedy bastard, I'm perfectly fine with idea of using wealth to get something non-material, alleviate my boredom, or even make a charity, as long as I myself see the it worthwhile.
edited by Aro Saren on 8/1/2020

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Hattington
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8/1/2020
And this is what I call... railroading (dun-dun-dun!).

Basically, first you're denied any reasonable options, and then thrown a bunch of extreme ones.

Several weeks ago I complained that there's no direct way to reduce the debt: you're either luring in some suckers or trading contraband junk food.
Some of our characters are wealthy. Some are notoriiously wealthy. Some are in effect heirs of a certain Master or new ones, hold a lease on the whole London or stand in for the Empress. Why should I bother with a filthy stand in a middle of nowhere, if I should be able to simply pay the whole debt immediately? In reasonable world it's called investment, since I do get profit from the railway afterwards.

The same goes for the Union. I can understand Emancipationists perfectly, whole their position is rather simple. And little talk with Furnace only cemented my views.
It would be perfectly reasonable for me to fund something nice for them or simply pay for their project, because the best worker is the worker satisfied with their employer. I would impose conditions, it's a deal, not a charity, but so far they've shown that they're able and willing to do what I need from them. In reasonable worlds it's called cooperation.
But the only options I have are funding Liberation, which is exactly what you should not do in this situation, and feeding them rats and shit (actually rubbery lumps are made only at Mutton Island, after all).
Argument that "at that time such an option would be considered preposterous" is not valid: I've staged several utterly scandalous ballets, killed a Master, deposed a Provost of the prestigious college and whatever else, whole my career as Fallen Londoner is about telling others to stuff it deep enough that something clever actually comes from the other side.

For the people not familiar with table-top role-playing games: "railroading" is a scenario writing style where only specific sequence of events is possible, and all deviations are ignored and/or punished. While every story must have some backbone, this term is usually used when it's done in a stupid and unjustified way, because writer wants to make a point or simply just too stupid to think of any other option not conforming to their narrow vision.
Imagine Comtessa story from Ladybones road, where in the final scene the only option existing would be to kill her.

So, Failbetter, I have a rather short question: WHAT THE ****?!

I wanted to say something about outfits, but **** it. Especially since the latest news are the feature is apparently to stay and be doubly enforced, to indeed make a point.



Do you want to know something funny, as someone wholly familiar with railroading? When I started reading this I had been forming an opinion about how I suspected there's more going on behind the scenes than we know (there are different factions of workers, and there's...whatever is up with Furnace's 3 voices). That there were established to be longstanding grievances between Devils and railway workers due to an unfortunate earlier attempt to build the rail, that the Bazaar has at least one creditor of supernatural provenance snoring away in the hinterlands, that as some people pointed out from the workers' point s of view it's hard for a well fed man to understand a starving one and that this protest was meant to be an indicator of further intrigues to come as much as actual protest by the workers but then I realised something. My own thoughts would hold more water with me if they were leveled at a company that didn't already have a sterling reputation for balancing clarity and nuance in storytelling.

This is Failbetter Games. The company that furnished me with an opportunity to help the Commissioner's nightmare with an Ambition-specific solution, and once came up with a new storylet out of the blue for a player who accidentally bought too many weasels. The company that thoughtfully included the option to give an immortality-seeking character from an ES Hesperidean Cider if you went through all the trouble to buy some. For better or worse we've all come to expect a certain standard of narrative flexibility from FB which brings me neatly to your next point: The fact that we apparently cannot feed these poor buggers anything, literally anything at all, but Mrs. Plenty's worst pies. For heavens' sake, could we at least take pains to serve them the good pies?! Many of us even know where to get the authentic Rubbery Lumps-on Mutton Island! They have a famous restaurant and everything! And there's a whole subsystem for treating other players to DINNER that provides different options for Londoners to supply food! There was another ES that revolved around an elite restaurant! Sure, the "let them eat cake" solution might provoke further issues down the road but well-that's a story opportunity in itself, isn't it?!

...amusingly after all that, the part where I actually disagree with you on is the appropriate response to the workers. Because I really wanted to get aboard my Vake and terrorise them into submission just like the good ol' days of Mr. Veils' reign.

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Tsar Koschei
Tsar Koschei
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8/14/2020
Evenlode, you mean.

But yes, I'm very interested to see what the payout will be from three stations and fully upgraded trains. You would think that the degree of one's GHR propaganda push and baggage level would also influence profits, but AFAIK that's not currently the case.

While I suppose they can't make it game-breakingly good, one would expect a non-trivial profit relative to the amount of debt accrued, what with all the investments involved.

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Tsar Koschei
Tsar Koschei
Posts: 341

8/14/2020
Waterpls wrote:
Stat reduction is not a problem with new stat caps.
Says you. 206 is still less than 215.

Waterpls wrote:
We already have our pay out. New optimized grinds with 3.5-4.5 EpA. And even if you don't care about optimization, most actions in railway stations are 2.2-2.5 EpA, which is higher than optimized grinds (orphan trade and silken thread expeditions) from the times before 10th anniversary.
All of that has precisely nothing to do with the railroad being supposedly profitable.

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Aro Saren
Aro Saren
Posts: 364

8/15/2020
Always thought that my railway is not about didvidends, but about providing more opportunities.

I mean, in-character. I have enough wealth to fund it without immediate return, if the Upper River regions have enough goods.

Please, remind, what's the simplest way to get a ton of Bessemer steel? I'm really sick of skeletons, but the option in Parabola is a little too expensice, since Identities are not easily farmed either.
edited by Aro Saren on 8/16/2020

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Judaspriester
Judaspriester
Posts: 148

8/17/2020
Well.. a small weekly divident or a small weekly debt-reduciton after the first station has been build would be nice. even if I don't expect tons of echoes here. maybe something like 1+(luxury*stations)/4 (rounded up) debt reduction + a few moon pearls.

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Baron Lagavulin
Baron Lagavulin
Posts: 77

8/24/2020
So... who else is refreshing everything like mad just in case something about the station at the Magistracy of the Evenlode appears? Big Grin

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Diptych
Diptych
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8/24/2020
I'm not refreshing like mad! I'm just... keeping some actions up my sleeve while I hang around Moloch Street...

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Diptych
Diptych
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8/28/2020
MAGISTRACY

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Amalgamate
Amalgamate
Posts: 532

8/29/2020
No, raising your luxuries/baggage/defenses is independent of building new stations.

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Diptych
Diptych
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8/14/2020
Oh, man, excellent point. Release the new content on a Monday. Save weekends for things you don't want feedback on, like stealing gold Napoleons from a London bank. (Also I have no doubt Olivia's content will be completely excellent, as it always is.)

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Rostygold
Rostygold
Posts: 624

8/30/2020
Hattington wrote:
What a sad ending for Definitely Not Sherlock Holmes, becoming a forgotten side character.

Yeah, he's just there as a vague reference to Sherlock Holmes.

That said, it would be wise for Failbetter to steer clear of developing this character any further - and especially no Fate stories about him. The Arthur Conan Doyle estate has been rather litigious in recent years.

P.S. Yes, for those of you who remember, I do remember having written the opening for the "Suggestion: The Constable Renown Items" thread. That was before I learnd to be mindful about there being estates for famous writers like Arthur Conan Doyle. Heck, do you know that there's one for the Bard too?
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Rostygold
Rostygold
Posts: 624

8/31/2020
Jules Asimov wrote:
Hey does anyone have echos of the various "Demand Answers from Furnace" responses? I want to see what she says before I answer.

It is already on the wiki, together with summaries. Let's just say