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Hannah Flynn
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6/3/2020




Menace Eradicators often have leftover parts of a Menace that they wish to sell, and the Department quietly permits this.


An enterprising Londoner can now assemble bones into skeletons of variously dubious provenance and attempt to sell them at the Bone Market.


Begin by piecing together a skeleton and confidently designating its species, then look for a collector. Some are more gullible than others. Some skeletons are more credible than others; all are essentially real!


To discover the route to the Bone Market, complete a Paleontology-related experiment in your University Lab. (You will also need access to the Department of Menace Eradication.)
edited by h4nchan on 6/3/2020

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Optimatum
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6/3/2020
So many new things to do! And with so many hidden options, recording these will be a challenge. Therefore:

Those of you playing the new Bone Market content, please consider helping record this for the wiki! While directly editing the wiki itself is difficult, I'm happy to add any information you find. Just PM me a screenshot of any option results (both text and effects) that aren't yet on the wiki. We're mostly missing options from Assemble a Skeleton and the various Bone Market cards. There are probably also options or cards not yet listed at all; for those take a screenshot of the entire option/card and record the full requirements. Most options to sell skeletons also have scaling rewards, so I'd be interested in what level of the Skeleton: qualities you had.

Thank you very much to whoever helps out!

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6/13/2020


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Mona
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6/3/2020
Not seeing anything in the Shuttered Palace.

Assembling skeletons is rather hilarious (in a good way). But all those challenges relying on the new stats makes it so I have to have the wiki open to find which items I have to boost those stats because there isn't a functional search for stats. The BDR requirements for the bone market opportunity deck already made it painfully obvious we need more outfits, and now with this on top I really hope this is a high priority.

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PSGarak
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6/10/2020
A couple notes on the result of that, for people interested.

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As promised by the explainer text, the Leviathan Frame is a torso that you can use to start a Skeleton. On its own, it has a base value of 31,500 pennies. So selling your extremely-expensive skeleton is nearly break-even for the frame. I'm not at the point where I can confirm but I suspect this is a repeatable action, meaning the Leviathan is basically a Tier-2 Skeleton.

The size of your stall matters. You need a top-tier Stall to begin a skeleton on the Leviathan frame.

The Leviathan Frame has a tail (not a tail slot, but a tail). And room for two limbs. With Amber, this can be expanded to 6 limbs. I am a few actions away from doing something unwise. If you don't hear back, assume the Special Constables caught wind of this.
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Update: I have not found anyone who is especially interested in my creation yet. I have a few options that need exploring before I give up, though.

In unrelated news, it seems I will be needing an extensive knife collection. And I want to say how much I appreciate the Scrimshander knife being used for its proper purpose.
edited by PSGarak on 6/10/2020

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Ysrthgrathe
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7/30/2020
PSGarak wrote:


[...] it might be possible to build a Curator on a human or thorny torso.


I just did that and got the "Relatively Plausible Curator Skeleton" Home Comfort with the human torso.

Recipe:
1 x Human Ribcage
1 x Horned Skull
2 x Withered Tentacle
2 x Crustacean Pincer
1 x Add four more joints
2 x Unprovenanced Thigh Bone
2 x Albatross Wing

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7/31/2020
Maintaining politeness and courtesy is actually mandated by the forum rules. If you're going to post here, you must be polite and courteous.

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MidnightVoyager
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6/9/2020
Mary Anning! smile

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PSGarak
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6/3/2020
Well, these skeletons are certainly... something. I made a bird that's half-saint and half-rubbery, and sold it for thirty-one flowers! Fallen London lets you do a lot of strange things, but even for FL that's somewhat odd.

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Asarta
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6/3/2020
A quick bit of feedback: Getting a Stall kicked me out of the Bone-market requiring an extra action to re enter it. This seems unintentional

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MidnightVoyager
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6/4/2020
I'm gonna put this out here: It's hard to decide what to tell the Dean when I don't even know what it is I will be telling him. I won't know what I have learned until I tell him.

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The Curious Watcher
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6/4/2020
Here are the different outcomes for telling the Dean about Mr Spices' new drug:


[spoiler]





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Winthropx
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6/5/2020
Waterpls wrote:
What card, what option?


There’s a new card that’s called bones in the river. It’s supposed to be standard frequency. It’s already on the wiki.

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Rostygold
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6/7/2020
Also, you might want to read the fluff text for the changes to the number of appendages that the skeleton can have on the wiki. Whoever at Failbetter wrote them deserves credit for writing such hilarious statements.
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Tsar Koschei
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6/15/2020
Aro Saren wrote:
Thanks FB, now we know what a truly dickish move is.
Oh, no wait, we already know it: it was placing a third tier Renown item there.

This seems a rather silly thing to complain about since the item in question is mechanically pretty much useless due to overlap with the unexploded mine you get from docks renown.

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Catherine Raymond
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6/16/2020
I have done the cycle at Bullbone only twice, with only one character. That character now has 3 Horned Skulls.
edited by Catherine Raymond on 6/16/2020


EDIT: I did the cycle one final time before leaving and got 2 more Horned Skulls, bringing my total up to 5.
edited by Catherine Raymond on 6/17/2020

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PSGarak
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7/30/2020
So this is interesting: Tentacles don't seem to count as limbs.

You can now fish up Tentacles as an alternate success for an Airs-dependent option on a card in Jericho. (This is not as bad as it sounds: There are few cards, the airs range is 25-100.) Adding a tentacle takes up a limb slot, and increases the "Skeleton: Tentacles" values. BUT, the current body types (human, birb, etc) don't seem to actually be locked by having Skeleton: Tentacles.

I don't have enough Tentacles or actions to test this myself, but it might be possible to build a Curator on a human or thorny torso. Amalgamy yourself an extra four joints, and then stick tentacles in two of them. As a bonus, if you're trying to obtain the Home Comfort, the tentacles will kill the Antiquity for free even if you don't have a Scrimshander knife.

For similar reasons, it should be possible to make a bird from a Leviathan Frame.

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Rostygold
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7/30/2020
Judaspriester wrote:
Hmm.. ctrl + F could help, but I know what you mean.

Would it be possible to link the two tables on a extra page? Or would this mean that you will have to keep them up-to-date on 2 places then?
For players unfamiliar with the Bonemarket, the whole guide including the tables is very useful. But more experienced players most likely just need the 2 tables as reference sheets.


Okay, I have made the cheat sheets visible. Also, thank you for being more polite about it.

Some jerk on the wiki is not as polite though.
edited by Rostygold on 7/30/2020
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Rostygold
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7/3/2020
The Bone Market's sale mechanism has been reworked - for the better!
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aegisaglow
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6/13/2020
Could you elaborate? I know it's possible to reach the cap in Flute Street via following the Rubbery Hound, but how do you overcap it?

edit: Emily Short weighed in on the matter on discord:

Emily Short wrote:
there is no Shapeling Arts level cap raise available yet, and when it becomes available, it will not be in a Fatelocked area

similarly, Flute Street will not always be the only source of Helical Thighbones

edited by aegisaglow on 6/13/2020

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PSGarak
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6/14/2020
Winthropx wrote:
I’m checking out Bullbone island since in its description it talks about being covered in bones and that not all of them are bull bones. Nothing so far.

And nothing in the end. I guess the island of bone doesn’t give out bones.
edited by Winthropx on 6/5/2020


Following up on this. According to the Wiki, now there are new bones on Bullbone Island. The item was on the Wiki as of Wednesday, but the connection to the island was only added earlier today.

Either our timing was very unfortunate, or there's a possibility that this very thread is what made FBG realize that maybe there should be bones on Bone Island. In either case, we might need to arrange another sweep of the islands.

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colinsapherson
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6/12/2020
Well, my two-armed, insectoid, phenomenally rubbery, highly implausible skeleton just netted me 256 Final Breaths from the Tentacled Entrepreneur. Second time round. Even it didn't believe I had the real thing when I first tried.

No idea what to do with the Breaths, but hopefully they'll come in useful one day. I expect Failbetter have some plan planned.

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Sir Reginald Monteroy
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7/3/2020
Rostygold wrote:
Most importantly, the Bone Market is now considered London proper, i.e. you can draw the usual cards there.



Considering all Bone Market stuff including the plethora of new options, this is a great quality of life improvement. I can't stress enough how much I love what FBG is doing with the new content!

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Waterpls
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6/16/2020
It should be fourth option. IDK prerequisites, probably Route: Bone Market and surveys.




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PSGarak
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7/14/2020
Someone on Reddit claims that Exhaustion is 1 point per 50 echoes of "secondary" reward, rounded down. I don't know if that's 100% accurate, but it's consistent with what you've observed and makes sense from a balance perspective. The thing that's being rate-limited is superlinear scaling of rewards.

With 4 amalgamy and 4 menace, you would have received 16 rubbery pies worth 40 echoes. This is less than 50, so no Bone Exhaustion.

If the formula is right and you got 15 Bone Exhaustion from one sale, that would mean the secondary rewards were worth 750+ echoes. So if the total echo value was 1,300, that would mean a skeleton value of 550, plus 300 rubbery pies from Amalgamy and Menace. I don't know exactly what you were building, but that seems plausible.

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The Lonely Hunter
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7/16/2020
I think some of the bones need to be buffed. I can't think of a good reason to use Knotted Humeri on a skeleton, since the failure is so punishing and succeeding is less valuable in all senses than just affixing Albatross Wings. Plaster Tails are a bit better, but unless you're trying to sell to the Sculptress they seem outclassed by Tomb Lion tails. Bone power creep isn't a huge deal, but it would be nice to see the less useful bones get some love.

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Ambystoma Maculatum
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7/18/2020
Mona wrote:
I got it by stacking antiquity and adding joints twice iirc. I sold the tailfeathers for scrip because I'm an idiot and didn't notice exhaustion was a thing earlier, so now I don't have any means to reduce Ealing Gardens: Darkness for the foreseeable future smile



Since Exhaustion was introduced, the instructions text for selling the Investment-Minded Ambassador an Epaulette Mate has been changed to say part of the payment comes in Tailfeathers, I assume for the exact reason you described. I haven't done it myself though, and the wiki hasn't been updated to reflect this, so I don't know how many Tailfeathers you'll get this way. But you won't be completely locked out of using the item if you need to, at least.

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Tsar Koschei
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7/18/2020
Ambystoma Maculatum wrote:
Since Exhaustion was introduced, the instructions text for selling the Investment-Minded Ambassador an Epaulette Mate has been changed to say part of the payment comes in Tailfeathers, I assume for the exact reason you described. I haven't done it myself though, and the wiki hasn't been updated to reflect this, so I don't know how many Tailfeathers you'll get this way. But you won't be completely locked out of using the item if you need to, at least.
I did it twice and got this. Not sure whether pass/fail affects the rewards.

[spoiler]


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Lucius Vera
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7/28/2020
To the wiki editors: Just recieved 64 royal-blue feathers and got 0 exhaustion. Skeleton making guide states that you recieve 1 point per 20 secondary rewards. Looks like it's 1 point per 50 echo. And thank you for helping people.
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Lady Karnstein
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6/7/2020
You can reliably gather Thorned Ribcages by sending your Terror Bird running and then searching in the grass

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Rostygold
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6/7/2020
Lady Karnstein wrote:
You can reliably gather Thorned Ribcages by sending your Terror Bird running and then searching in the grass


Pity any returning player though, if they came back after the Fallen London version of Easter.
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Rostygold
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6/6/2020
Okay, I have a character with an Eyeless Skull, so... I think I will check the others before checking the Skeleton Assembly. wink

Lab: Nothing. No new project. Checked the other storylets too - nothing.
Reflection of the Lab: Nothing. Nope, the Eyeless skull doesn't have a Parabolan reflection that can be made use of.



Parabolan Base-Camp: Nothing in the camp storylets, and nothing for each of the possible hunts at this time of writing.

Took a jaunt to the Dome of Occupied Scales, to see if there is anything new, e.g. the Fingerkings' response to an irrigo-loaded thing. Nothing.


Visited the Waswood - nothing. For a place about forgotten things, one would think that bringing an irrigo-laden piece of bone there would have an interesting consequence, but no.

Nothing in the Chessboard either.


P.S. The Smuggler's Grave option under the card "Implausible penance" has no new sub-options. Nope, no bones for you there.
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ClearFavourite
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6/11/2020
Deathjack999 wrote:
Honestly I'm waiting for the arrival of tier 3 Torso's

I could see a Rubbery Torso (call it the Gordian Ribcage) being something found within Flute Street.


Please don't lock a third Palaeontology item behind the same Fate-locked story.

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Diptych
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6/4/2020
Check out the Dome of Scales, accessed from a Parabolan Base Camp.

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Rostygold
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6/4/2020
I want to use my own severed head for the skeleton.

Can I use my own skeleton too?
edited by Rostygold on 6/4/2020
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Andrea Serafini
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6/4/2020
Seconded. And my bones.
And i want my skeleton to devour my flesh and wear my skin, as a false-me.
edited by Mizr. Edlaine Saphburgh on 6/4/2020

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6/4/2020
Hehe. So THAT explains

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Andrea Serafini
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6/4/2020
Did the same happen to someone else?

I actually have 214 base watchful, but when i "check in with the dean of supernumerary studies", the system tells me

"When your Watchful is 206 without equipment bonuses, you will be able to start a second experiment on the drug and advance this story further."

Should i file a bug report, or am i missing something?

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Rostygold
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6/4/2020
MidnightVoyager wrote:
Or whoever's skull it was just had advanced state syphilis.

The skull is too symmetrical for syphilis.
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Diptych
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6/3/2020
Is there any way to get a Headless Skeleton that's current available?

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Ulysses Kingfisher
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6/3/2020
Can one upgrade to a fancier stall after the initial purchase? (And what are the benefits of the various levels?)

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PSGarak
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6/3/2020
There are several options there, each corresponding to different types of torsos.
[spoiler]
One option for a Thorned Ribcage.
Another option for a Human Ribcage. By the by, swing by the Shuttered Palace.
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PSGarak
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6/4/2020
I don't think a Curator skeleton is currently possible. One of several things that don't seem currently possible, and probably tie into upcoming content. Here's a list:

[spoiler]
Adding Fins, and possibly Tentacles.
Tails.
Torsos that support two skulls.
Torsos that support 2 or 6 limbs.
(Alternatively, new Shapeling methods for adding a different number or type of joints.)
The Helical Thighbone.
The second stage of research on the Unidentified Thighbone.
Everything and anything related to butchery.
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6/4/2020
Matthew Cline wrote:
How does one use Survey of the Neath's Bones to dig up fossils which one can then sell at the Bone Market? None of the sensible locations for digging up fossils lets me use them.

You don't. It is not a functioning thing yet.

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6/5/2020
Matthew Cline wrote:
How does one use Survey of the Neath's Bones to dig up fossils which one can then sell at the Bone Market? None of the sensible locations for digging up fossils lets me use them.



Oh wait, I take back what I said: It may just be that the open options are hidden as hell. Someone just found one in a card in Wolfstack!

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Winthropx
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6/5/2020
I’m checking out Bullbone island since in its description it talks about being covered in bones and that not all of them are bull bones. Nothing so far.

And nothing in the end. I guess the island of bone doesn’t give out bones.
edited by Winthropx on 6/5/2020

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Sir Reginald Monteroy
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6/11/2020
ClearFavourite wrote:


Please don't lock a third Palaeontology item behind the same Fate-locked story.


Ah, but it does make a lot of sense, considering both rubbery and archeological facets central to the Flute Street content.

It would be great if we could also dig for Palaeontological materials in the Forgotten Quarter. I was pretty sure that would be the ultimate purpose of the Bones' Survey. But hey, the content keeps trickling in, so who knows what and where we'll be able to assemble into magnificent specimens in the future!

It would also be nifty if we were also able to keep a skeleton for ourselves, in any form, although Home Comfort would be an obvious choice.

Now that we have access to Tail bones from the Carpenter's Granddaughter, were we able to attach them and make a Monkey creature?

And a last question - when selling your skeleton to the Carpenter's Granddaughter, does she care about high levels of Implausibility? It is hard to make convincing Chimeras...

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Deathjack999
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6/11/2020
ClearFavourite wrote:
Deathjack999 wrote:
Honestly I'm waiting for the arrival of tier 3 Torso's

I could see a Rubbery Torso (call it the Gordian Ribcage) being something found within Flute Street.


Please don't lock a third Palaeontology item behind the same Fate-locked story.

I was just making a suggestion. it didn't have to be good.

Also they should make it so you can get Helical Thighbones and Rubbery Skulls from Dig Sites in the future and maybe also from an option to study an Unearthly Fossil in your Lab

The Gordian Ribcage would have just been a 2 Amalgamy Start Point for a Skeleton anyhoo.

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Deathjack999
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6/11/2020
Honestly I'm waiting for the arrival of tier 3 Torso's

I could see a Rubbery Torso (call it the Gordian Ribcage) being something found within Flute Street.

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Ulysses Kingfisher
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6/9/2020
MidnightVoyager wrote:
Mary Anning! smile

I learned something today! Neat!

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Snort
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6/10/2020
The Lonely Hunter wrote:
When I drew the card and had the Carpenter's Daughter talk with my Paleontologist, I got 4 Memories of Light.



And I just got 2 plaster tailbones in exchange for 10 Surveys.

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Chauncey Dastard
Chauncey Dastard
Posts: 5

6/10/2020
After creating an unbelievably unrealistic skeleton with 8 Ivory Humeruses, I have managed to create one worth over 30,000 pennies and sell the Carpenter's Granddaughter! Text is linked below:


https://www.fallenlondon.com/profile/Hark%20DeGaul/18788107
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It rewards with a Leviathan Frame.
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Catherine Raymond
Catherine Raymond
Posts: 2620

6/6/2020
Matthew Cline wrote:
How does one use Survey of the Neath's Bones to dig up fossils which one can then sell at the Bone Market? None of the sensible locations for digging up fossils lets me use them.


I actually got and used a "Bones of the River" card last night. [spoiler] It gave me a Knotted Humerus in exchange for one of my "Survey of the Neath's Bones" quality. [/spoiler]

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The Lonely Hunter
The Lonely Hunter
Posts: 160

6/6/2020
Thanks for your research, Rostygold. It's a shame that there are no bones in the Waswood, but I remember it being really dangerous to travel through there in Sunless Sea. Maybe there are plenty of bones there but interlopers like us can't get them safely.
Edit: Also, I wanted to thank everyone who's been researching the new choices since the Paleontologist update. You've all helped me plan out my next moves.
edited by The Lonely Hunter on 6/6/2020

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Rostygold
Rostygold
Posts: 624

6/6/2020
Oh hey blokes! I said that I would be checking if there is an option to stick an Eyeless Skull, and there is! Here is the page I made.

https://fallenlondon.fandom.com/wiki/Affix_an_Eyeless_Skull_to_your_%28Skeleton_Type%29



It's a Monstrous Anatomy roll, peculiarly enough.

~Bleah~... Only 3000 points of value. What a disappointment.

I was hoping that it might somehow reduce Implausibility, but I had been reminded that skulls have to be affixed first before everything else.
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Sir Reginald Monteroy
Sir Reginald Monteroy
Posts: 231

6/8/2020
I surely hope that additional uses of Survey of the Neath's Bones are added that are not card-based. It would be quite nice to have more bone options you could predictably (if not necessarily efficiently) grind.

Other than that, I'd say that the entire Palaeontology shtick is quite pleasant, captures the feeling of a Victorian society fad with ancient bones nicely. New options for obtaining various resources and tier 3 items are a rather nice bonus. I'm definitely a fan and hope (and expect) that more options will continue appearing.

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Sir Reginald Monteroy
Sir Reginald Monteroy
Posts: 231

6/9/2020
Diptych wrote:
Are there any tails to work with yet? I ask because I have assembled a Thorned Ribcage, four Jurassic Femurs and a Sabre-Toothed Skull, and now my dinosaur needs a tail!



To add insult to injury, you will also be forced to pronounce your perfectly biologically authentic dinosaur a "Chimera". So far, no other option for a four-legged creature exists.

Four-legged beasts bereft of arms and/or wings should be treated with more dignity and acceptance! wink

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Tsar Koschei
Tsar Koschei
Posts: 341

7/30/2020
Dear wiki lads: love the new and improved bone market guide, however might I suggest making the tables for buyers and skeleton parts a bit more prominent? Bigger fonts, bold, something? At first I didn't realize they were even still available on the page.

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Rostygold
Rostygold
Posts: 624

7/30/2020
Lucius Vera wrote:
To the wiki editors: Just recieved 64 royal-blue feathers and got 0 exhaustion. Skeleton making guide states that you recieve 1 point per 20 secondary rewards. Looks like it's 1 point per 50 echo. And thank you for helping people.

Okay, I made the update to the guide.
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The Lonely Hunter
The Lonely Hunter
Posts: 160

7/27/2020
Bumping the thread because Ivory Humeri received a small nerf. The only thing that's changed is that, on failure, you take what I think is 2 CP of Wounds in addition to the usual Implausibility. They're still extremely valuable, it's just that you can potentially send yourself to the Boatman on a failure.

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Lucius Vera
Lucius Vera
Posts: 31

7/28/2020
That have been there for a while. Happened to me several times at least a few weeks ago. Probably a rare failure.
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Waterpls
Waterpls
Posts: 406

7/18/2020
Ealing Station is the best place. Also in wolfstack docks and geology of winewound everywhere in london.

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PSGarak
PSGarak
Posts: 1025

7/17/2020
The Lonely Hunter wrote:
I think some of the bones need to be buffed. I can't think of a good reason to use Knotted Humeri on a skeleton, since the failure is so punishing and succeeding is less valuable in all senses than just affixing Albatross Wings. Plaster Tails are a bit better, but unless you're trying to sell to the Sculptress they seem outclassed by Tomb Lion tails. Bone power creep isn't a huge deal, but it would be nice to see the less useful bones get some love.

Most bones are approximately balanced based on what it takes to acquire them. Knotted Humeri are limited to opportunity cards, but cost either nothing beyond the action, or one measly Bone Survey. A pair of Albatross Wings costs you either an Albatross (significant), or 25E of bone materials. If I'm trying to optimize Amalgamy and don't need the Skeleton Value, I would probably rather use the Knotted Humerus and save myself the bone fragments. Most other bones with high penny value cost about as much to obtain as what they add to the skeleton (except Ivory Humerus!).

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Mona
Mona
Posts: 192

7/18/2020
I got it by stacking antiquity and adding joints twice iirc. I sold the tailfeathers for scrip because I'm an idiot and didn't notice exhaustion was a thing earlier, so now I don't have any means to reduce Ealing Gardens: Darkness for the foreseeable future smile

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Sir Reginald Monteroy
Sir Reginald Monteroy
Posts: 231

7/15/2020
PSGarak wrote:
Aardvark: My current theory is that a) Bone Exhaustion uses levels instead of change points b) due to a combination of factors, the increase text is displayed even when the increase is 0. So I think you didn't gain any bone exhaustion for 32E of Final Breaths. But not 100% sure.


That is possible, yes. I don't think I've seen the increase message when I sold a skeleton for 16 Rubbery Pies, but I did not have the quality at the time at all, so a non-change may only display if it's already higher than 0.

On an Exhaustion-unrelated Palaeontological note, I happened to visit Bullbone Island today and during the first stage, a new option became available (named A skull of Bullbone, borrowed). It allows buying a Horned Skull for 20 Surveys of Neath's Bones. Details for wiki editors follow:

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The picture is the same as in A Public Lecture, (Bone11.png I suppose), and the text says "Among all these, might there be something worth taking home for later?"
It unlocks with Palaeontologist and 20 Bone Surveys and lets you buy a Horned Skull for the 20 Surveys (no challenge, so guaranteed). Orthos is coming increases in the regular fashion, Echo is here.
The option remained visible even after I no longer had enough Surveys to take it iirc. For the 4 remaining actions, I took The bones of Bullbone and obtained one Horned Skull from an alternative success, so the new option is in addition to this potential source, not a replacement. If anyone wishes, I can send a screenshot as well, but I've provided as complete account as is seen on screen.
Cheers to all wiki builders!

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Snort
Snort
Posts: 266

6/16/2020
Waterpls wrote:
It should be fourth option. IDK prerequisites, probably Route: Bone Market and surveys.




I feel more than slightly inadequate with my plaster tails.
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Rostygold
Rostygold
Posts: 624

6/16/2020
Alright, my update on the islands:

I have done 17 cycles of Bullbone Island, with four characters. That's 85 attempts. They have obtained 17 skulls.

So maybe it's a one in five chance, not one in four as I mentioned earlier. (Fortunately, the cycles were not much of a waste; I had been wanting to accumulate Glim, Aeolian Screams, Beetles and Map Scraps among my characters but I had been putting these off.)

I have one character at Grunting Fen (at Sea of Voices) now. I will also use that character to see if there is any aftermath for Heart's Desire ambition.
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The Lonely Hunter
The Lonely Hunter
Posts: 160

7/4/2020
These changes to the Bone Market have really made my day. It was always frustrating to burn through my deck trying to find the right buyer since even with a Dome of Scales item I'll always have 2 BDS attributes to gum the deck up. Being able to buy bones from other vendors is just gravy.

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suinicide
suinicide
Posts: 2434

7/4/2020
Oh, sorry, didn't see the "without antiquity" part.

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elderfleur
elderfleur
Posts: 90

7/6/2020
I was disappointed to find my would-be Bird an irredeemable two-armed two-legged Chimera, despite sporting two of these:



Then I read the Fossilized Forelimb's short item description which explicitly refers to "the arm" and felt very silly.

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PSGarak
PSGarak
Posts: 1025

7/6/2020
Aardvark wrote:

Also, I have sold a seven-skulled bird to the Skull Enthusiast. PSA for the wiki editors:

Your note-taking is appreciated, and your thoroughness was very helpful! I've added them.

elderfleur wrote:
I was disappointed to find my would-be Bird an irredeemable two-armed two-legged Chimera, despite sporting two of these:

Then I read the Fossilized Forelimb's short item description which explicitly refers to "the arm" and felt very silly.

Glad I'm not the only one...

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Anagram
Anagram
Posts: 86

6/13/2020
did anybody else notice that the bone market now offers one of the best money grinds?
get a human ribcage, start assembling a skeleton, take it apart, boom ribcage and a whooping 625 whispered secrets for what can end up being an almost 3.10 epa including the favors and the actions needed to get into the bone market

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Waterpls
Waterpls
Posts: 406

6/13/2020
What do you mean by overcap? Raise cap higher than 5? Or just train to 5?

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Waterpls
Waterpls
Posts: 406

6/13/2020
Are you sure about that? It would be nice to see a proof of Shapeling Arts higher than 5.

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NotaWalrus
NotaWalrus
Posts: 291

6/15/2020
There is a skull in Bullbone, but it's in a rare success. I have two currently.

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Rostygold
Rostygold
Posts: 624

7/3/2020
Most importantly, the Bone Market is now considered London proper, i.e. you can draw the usual cards there.
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Rostygold
Rostygold
Posts: 624

7/3/2020
Yay!



Get the cheaper parts through this storylet! Also, the options use Jade Fragments - finally some new use for this Tier 1 resource!
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PSGarak
PSGarak
Posts: 1025

7/3/2020
Scona wrote:
Anyone already tried Annings kit from the new station ? Does the skeleton type now finally make a difference ?

It unlocks a story inside the Bone Market. You also need a completed skeleton to see it. There are like five or six different options, each of which requires a specific type of skeleton, as well as values for the other skeleton qualities, as well as additional materials.

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Raccoonajr
Raccoonajr
Posts: 118

6/16/2020
Rostygold wrote:
NotaWalrus wrote:
I did two trips to Bullbone island and got two skulls (one each), so small sample size but it seems to be reasonably rare.



I have had multiple characters do six cycles already. It's about one in four attempts. Every cycle only gives five attempts though, and there's no way to force an early exit.
edited by Rostygold on 6/16/2020

I just did the cycle four times and got four skulls—one on the third cycle and three on the fourth. Limited sample. Definitely rare. I almost gave up after two tries.

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Waterpls
Waterpls
Posts: 406

6/16/2020
New tail in The Geology of Winewound card.

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Rostygold
Rostygold
Posts: 624

6/16/2020
Waterpls wrote:
New tail in The Geology of Winewound card.


Oh.... ! Really? Man, I had been discarding those cards!
Eh... wait. There are three options. Which one?
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