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Hannah Flynn
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1/14/2020
Psst, delicious friend -


Seeing as you're a forums member, how about a little secret access to the first part of Nemesis' conclusion?


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Tom Davidson
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1/15/2020
What I'm not thrilled about is the idea that a rare success on a card action that has eluded me for ten years so far is still locking progress on my ambition.
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silurica
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1/15/2020
I luckily already have a Bat with Attitude, but I don't envy anyone now under the mercy of RNG before they can progress their ambition. We expected to get roadblocked by a shopping list, but not one that would require a rare success on a luck check on an opportunity card. That's three RNG shenanigans stacked together. Some people I know have expressed disappointment about this turn of events.

I think we all would appreciate seeing an ambition exclusive source for the elusive bat, even if we have to pay expensively for it. After all Heart's Desire gave us an alternative method for obtaining a very rare item required in the ambition, such option for a Bat with Attitude wouldn't be so out of place.

That quibble aside, I'm enjoying this little odd trip so far and I'm currently making preparation for going to a certain hard to reach place in order to regain what was lost.
edited by silurica on 1/15/2020

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Hannah Flynn
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1/14/2020
Nemesis is now available to all. I hope those of you at the boundary are having fun with it!


Yeah, we thought a PREVIOUSLY ON NEMESIS was required! Seemed only polite!

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Azothi
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3/26/2020
I've finished the story on an alt and can confirm it gives a Bat with Attitude.

The story is a fun little adventure that expands on the character of the Dapper Underworld Boss, so I won't spoil that here, but the step-by-step process of obtaining the Battitude is as follows:

1. Go to New Newgate.
1a. Play the card "A Favour for an Old Friend". You need 5 x Favours: Criminals to begin the story.

2. Go into disgraced exile in the Tomb-Colonies.
2a. Play the card "Flowers for Peter" (if I recall the name correctly). You need 5 x Favours: Tomb-Colonists to advance.

3. Return to New Newgate.
3a. Play the card "A Favour for an Old Friend". Congratulations! You have a Bat with Attitude.

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Monara
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3/28/2020
Thank you so much for adding an alternate source for the bat. I converted the only one I had and I'm still without one as well. The RNG dependance actually completely turned me off the game so I canceled my subscription and haven't logged in for a couple weeks. I only came back here to check if anyone else was still in the same boat. Now I can finally move on with this and I see Bag a Legend is also available on my other character, and I also resubscribed and have anther exceptional story to play. This will keep me busy for a while!
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phryne
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1/18/2020
silurica wrote:
Also on the topic of Wines, the whole paragraph struck me as odd. Calling the Mute/Cumberbold and the Purveyor of Names "servants of Mr Mirrors and Mr Cups respectively" speaks of a specificity that I can't find in my records (they were only in contact with Scathewick, and even Scathewick claimed he didn't know who he worked for beside the sigil on the payment). And the latter half of the paragraph... just didn't exist in my records.
I agree about the whole paragraph seeming a bit odd. But reading it after I had just written down my own synopsis of this Ambition a day previously, I was bound to notice things. I guess they wanted to go for extreme brevity. And I guess from a certain point of view lots of Londoners are "servants of the Masters" without knowing anything about it wink

I'll definitely share it here if I get an answer from FBG. It's also possible they'll clarify things themselves here if they get lots of emails about this.

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Evariste S. Crumbledon
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1/28/2020
I just spent a few days in Mutton Island. The weather was rather miserable.

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phryne
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1/14/2020
Ulysses Kingfisher wrote:
Was someone on the forum going to write a summary of the Ambition events?

I did, actually, in case you still want to read it. smile

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Barse
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1/14/2020
You get a summary right at the start of this new part! You can spend an action at the first step of the update to reminisce, for a pretty thorough overview of the Ambition this far - I'm very glad they thought to add that in.
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The Curious Watcher
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1/16/2020
I expected some sort of roadblock during the update, but not like this. On my main character, I have reached the end of Seeking, acquired an Ubergoat, maxed out all Newspaper qualities, gotten both the Courier's Footprint and Poet Laureate, become a Paramount Presence, and am in the process of getting a Noman's Tattoo and setting up a Bazaar Wedding on other characters, so I am not a stranger to grinding, but for LUCK of all things to be an obstacle to a major AMBITION, it's not something that I can agree with. I actually didn't mind "Fine Dining" for pulling this stunt since it is a self-contained Exceptional story, but for an AMBITION to expect players to get a pet that's slightly less impossible to obtain than a Blemmigan Secretary is where I draw the line.

Grinding Notability is a pain, but it has clear goals and deadlines; Seeking is self-inflicted pain, but one that can be planned for weeks in advance. In the case of hunting Bats with Attitudes, it could take weeks, possibly months, of trying to pass through luck checks before players can progress to the next step for whatever reason.

My suggestion is that they either change the rate of success on the "Parliament of Bats" card so that obtaining a Bat with Attitude is not as difficult, or that they add an additional, expensive option that allows you to get a Bat with Attitude for the sake of the Ambition. If they allow players to get a Location of a Prince of Hell for the price of 180 Echoes, or allow one to continue Nemesis without having reached Courier's Footprint, they can certainly put an option to get a Bat with Attitude with more consistency.

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Azothi
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1/16/2020
Skinnyman wrote:
You're comparing something that requires, on average, 40 cards with something that requires 800+ or 128 Flit cards favouring the Urchins.

Extreme card flipping (very exhausting) can yield a bat in 4-5 days, but we all know how cruel can RNG be sometimes! upset
I am. I'm more interested in the mechanism for obtaining the item than the scope of it. I presented two previous cases: the Location in Heart's Desire and the Ray-Drenched Cinder for the Cave of the Nadir. The mechanism for both is luck-based, and the former, like the Bat with Attitude, is based entirely on opportunity cards. Is this on the same scope as a Location? Of course not. But it's obtained through the same gameplay mechanic: opportunity cards.

I'm fine with Flash resets. It's my typical gameplay loop anyway, so this is a fun variation on that. I'm reasonably confident I can catch up by next Tuesday, and I'm reasonably certain of it within two or three weeks. It's also let me raise a particular dream quality to 15, which will come in handy in the near future (and which is handled nicely by being strictly optional).

Skinnyman wrote:
Only because it has been done and we know how to do it. Any new player pursuing this ambition can plan and start drawing the card for this Bat since day 1 or 2.
That's the issue, though. Are we to tell future Nemesis players, "You're going to want to buy a Sulky Bat; you'll need it later" straight out of New Newgate? That strikes me as needlessly artificial.


Skinnyman wrote:
And besides, I'm guessing that it will take few more months before the 3rd part of the conclusion. During this time, I bet one third of London will be scandalous! smile For Flash Lays, of course.
The next update of Nemesis has been teased as "Very soon" in-game. One may observe on the announcement that the Ambition updates that there is a very reasonable potential timetable potentially hidden under the redactions: 3 weeks of Nemesis, 1 week break, 3 weeks of Feast of the Rose, 3 weeks of Bag a Legend, 1 week break, 3 weeks of Light Fingers, and 3 weeks of Heart's Desire.

Furthermore, Ambitions have been treated as "written": from the AMA, "I've written the Nemesis conclusion and I imagine we'll be announcing who wrote the other 3 soon enough." There's a case to be made for Nemesis finishing on a timescale of weeks rather than months.

And I hesitate to treat Flash resets as the standard for judging how easily an item can be obtained. It's a niche strategy, and one I suspect is not widely disseminated outside of the community. Even on Reddit, it still has to be periodically advertised to newcomers. It's become the norm for us, but the need to reinvent the wheel decreases the likelihood of its use among all the players who aren't part of the community.

Skinnyman wrote:
Now to add that Portfolio of Souls (excluding the "manufacture" which cost 75 E) and Judgements' Egg were not that accessible and were seen as trophies. After some updates, they were reduced to Echo junk.

My Bats are more valuable than 12.5 E! Big Grin
I'm afraid I don't see the relevance of this idea. No one's suggesting that we have a permanent source for manufacturing Bats with Attitude. The suggestions I've seen largely follow the precedent of Heart's Desire and the Cave of the Nadir: a one-time manufacturing option at a steep cost to avoid luck-based or opportunity-card-based grinding. That would turn Bats with Attitude into "Echo junk" as much as the Nadir storyline converted Ray-Drenched Cinders into Echo junk.

(But yeah, these bats are valuable. They've already cost me somewhere in the range of 600 Echoes in opportunity cost, and that's only going to grow. smile )

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Kharsirr Lynx wrote:
Just adding my agreement for suggestion of additional, expensive? way-around to get a Bat of Attitude. I have 7, and was lucky to get the first literally in the days of that Hallowmas when it was needed, but... not all players dedicate themselves to choose the option on the card, and not all players are collectors.
I couldn't agree more!
Wouldn't the value/proportion/impact of the story be diminished if everything will be easily accessible?
edited by Skinnyman on 1/16/2020
Not sure if we interpreted the suggestion the same way, but I'd argue that the immediate impact (but not the long-term impact!) of the story is diminished by the need to wait on RNG's blessing. Hype decreases with time. The problem is visible progress. When you're grinding for a material, those values increase over time; you can set checkpoints and keep track of your progress to that point. When you're waiting for a rare success on a 50% luck check on an opportunity card, you're just waiting for it to fall into your lap.

I'm not particularly convinced by the argument that the story will be diminished if an alternative option is available, or that accessibility necessarily runs contrary to the value/impact of a story. You can go from breaking out of New Newgate to the Heart's Desire content barrier in around a month nowadays if you know what you're doing (and start at the right time). That doesn't devalue the story to that point, in my opinion.

I'll look back at this rather fondly when all's said and done. It'll be the story of the __ days/weeks and the thousands of cards drawn waiting for a Bat with Attitude. I've already memorialized it in the name of my Utterly Livid Bat! The way I see it, the grind is like Winking Isle. It's like a whole different game: Echoes, Making Waves, Favours, pets, scraps, social actions - they're all meaningless. There's only one thing to do, again and again, like the breaking of waves on the shore.

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silurica
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1/17/2020
Azothi wrote:
Skinnyman wrote:
And besides, I'm guessing that it will take few more months before the 3rd part of the conclusion. During this time, I bet one third of London will be scandalous! smile For Flash Lays, of course.
The next update of Nemesis has been teased as "Very soon" in-game. One may observe on the announcement that the Ambition updates that there is a very reasonable potential timetable potentially hidden under the redactions: 3 weeks of Nemesis, 1 week break, 3 weeks of Feast of the Rose, 3 weeks of Bag a Legend, 1 week break, 3 weeks of Light Fingers, and 3 weeks of Heart's Desire.

Furthermore, Ambitions have been treated as "written": from the AMA, "I've written the Nemesis conclusion and I imagine we'll be announcing who wrote the other 3 soon enough." There's a case to be made for Nemesis finishing on a timescale of weeks rather than months.


To add to Azothi's point, we actually have a tangible date for the next Nemesis update teased in the new content boundary:
[spoiler]January 21, exactly a week after the first update.[/spoiler]

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silurica
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1/18/2020
phryne wrote:
Another thing about the recap: it says about Scathewick that "you claimed his blade" which isn't necessarily true: the PC had the choice to do so or not. I noticed that because my Nemesis char has no Blooded Knife (I checked, just to be sure) and still got the same text.


Interesting! I've been wondering about this since I first read that paragraph, but I picked the knife myself. If you ever crosscheck this with FBG via outside of forums method, could you share the result with us? I'm interested in recording all changes or variations of the text.

Also on the topic of Wines, the whole paragraph struck me as odd. Calling the Mute/Cumberbold and the Purveyor of Names "servants of Mr Mirrors and Mr Cups respectively" speaks of a specificity that I can't find in my records (they were only in contact with Scathewick, and even Scathewick claimed he didn't know who he worked for beside the sigil on the payment). And the latter half of the paragraph... just didn't exist in my records.

It's plenty odd. I've sent them feedback e-mail just yesterday to ask about/bring attention to this.
edited by silurica on 1/18/2020

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Deathjack999
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1/18/2020
Hopefully we'll get similar for the others, like for example:

Previously on Light Fingers
Ambitoneer: "THIS WAS THE WORST IDEA I'VE EVER FUCKING HAD!"
And it still is.
edited by Deathjack999 on 1/18/2020

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Catherine Raymond
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1/15/2020
For many years, I couldn't seem to get a single Bat with Attitude. Now I have 11. Patience, Tom! You may yet get one--or even a whole flock.

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the old man
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1/14/2020
Hannah Flynn wrote:
Psst, delicious friend -


Seeing as you're a forums member, how about a little secret access to the first part of Nemesis' conclusion?


Sentiment is a luxury you cannot afford. Not until you have had your debt in blood.
edited by h4nchan on 1/14/2020

I regretablly have no nemesis, but the gesture is not lost on me, thank you fbg for fostering an open and brilliant community, it has been a joy to be a part of it, all the best the old man

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Barse
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1/14/2020
I have no chill, and this update was incredible. That's all - thank you FBG, I can't wait for the next part.

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phryne
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1/20/2020
silurica wrote:
Today I received a reply to my inquiry regarding the odd paragraph in the in-game summary. Now the paragraph has been changed to the following:
[spoiler]Returning to London, you chased this new pair, discovering them to be servants of the Masters. Both had been expected to die by their former Masters, cast off.[/spoiler]
The change should be reflected in all journal echoes already.

... and the part about Scathewick's knife was completely taken out. Here's the answer I got from FB:

James Chew wrote:
I've elided both bits from the text - after consultation, we're not entirely certain where either reference came from enough to be certain of their inclusion here (Possibly a victim of over-writing here) - to make things more legible for the recap.


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Kharsirr Lynx
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1/25/2020
phryne wrote:
Quick question: the game says I need only visit three of the four places my bat has been to. But can I visit all four if I want to?


Yes, you most definitely can. Still waiting for my one dream to reacquire one certain quality...

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silurica
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1/20/2020
Today I received a reply to my inquiry regarding the odd paragraph in the in-game summary. Now the paragraph has been changed to the following:
[spoiler]Returning to London, you chased this new pair, discovering them to be servants of the Masters. Both had been expected to die by their former Masters, cast off.[/spoiler]
The change should be reflected in all journal echoes already.

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Tom Davidson
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1/28/2020
Battitude update: still no battitude.

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The Curious Watcher
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2/2/2020
I found the fragmented memories of the month-long trip with the Lady in Lilac very interesting. Chronologically, it appears like this:

1. In the Mirror-Marches, Lilac finds a message that she wants to send to the Far Wilderness, past the Avid Horizon. It seems that the message itself cannot exist outside of Parabola, so Lilac has to tattoo it onto your tongue to bring it outside.

2. While in Port Carnelian, Lilac was trying to find a carrier for the message. The local tigers tell her that while they are not willing to go past the Avid Horizon themselves, they know of Londoner that could, giving her the address and a way through Parabola.

3. At the Royal Bethlehem Hotel, the three of you (you, Lilac, and the carrier) meet together. The carrier is described as a male scholar covered in tattoos on his flaky, burnt skin, a pessimist when it comes to matters of light (and by extension, Law). The conversation implies that while the carrier may not survive the journey, the message would. It is probable that his body underwent certain rituals like with Seeking to make sure that he doesn't immediately die upon going to space.

4. While being possessed by Storm, Lilac and the carrier question the zee god about the proper way to send a letter to the Far Wilderness and how to address the receiver(s) involved, a feat that Storm discourages them from trying.

5. The month-long journey ends at the Avid Horizon, implying that the carrier went past the Avid Horizon and the message was sent. Lilac departs after accomplishing her goal, and you are left alone at the Gate without your memories due to irrigo exposure from Lilac.

This particular journey was not done for Cups as far as I know, so the question is what message was sent, and for whom?

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Skinnyman
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2/5/2020
Care to post only once and inside spoilers?

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Azothi
Azothi
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3/25/2020
Tom Davidson wrote:
Battitude update: still no battitude.
James confirmed on the FBG Discord that "Somewhere in London it is now possible to find a second source for Bats with Attitude". This is breaking news, so we don't have any further information, but it's apparently out there.

EDIT: oh, and patch notes on here too.
edited by Azothi on 3/25/2020

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Tom Davidson
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3/15/2020
Weekly battitude update: still no battitude.

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Shadowcthuhlu
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1/17/2020
Also, well Mind of a Thunder god is the hardest of the tree areas to get there, the flavor text and additional reward is worth it

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Azothi
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4/6/2020
The Curious Watcher wrote:
I remember seeing the text once: it's the exact same text, but they replace 777 with 77.
I heard that originally, the knives option will cause you to lose ALL YOUR KNIVES upon failure, and it was only a few hours afterward that they changed it to losing just 1/7 of them. The Ravenglass Knives option was therefore a way to spend a lot more echoes to prevent failure on an even bigger scale, but now its just very expensive.
It is true that failure originally cost all of your knives, and it was changed within a couple hours of release (this has been somewhat affectionately dubbed "Knifegate"), but the Ravenglass Knife option has always been available.

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Ulysses Kingfisher
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1/14/2020
Was someone on the forum going to write a summary of the Ambition events? Because I started Nemesis a long time ago when I didn't know what I was doing and d__n if I can remember most of what has happened...

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Raccoonajr
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1/14/2020
Shhh, I won’t tell anyone.

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loredeluxe
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1/15/2020
I had a Bat with Attitude in the past, but I upgraded it during Hallowmas 2018. I'm hoping Failbetter add another option to get one if only for those people on this specific Ambition step.
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Meradine Heidenreich
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1/15/2020
There is a certain not entirely inappropriate dark humour in the fact that it is not only the bat that is livid...
(Too soon?)

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Gobbled up the bit
of cheese on my tray ..
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Skinnyman
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1/15/2020
Tom Davidson wrote:
It's also worth noting that I have never, not ever, received a Bat with Attitude.
Auch...! From the data I gathered, the rare success is 5% which means you'll need, on average, 40 cards to get one.
I don't know how much comfort is, but with Flash Lays you can "farm" for it.
*checking more data*
With EF status, flipping all cards and consuming around 110 AP/day on FLs while using 6-7 standard frequency cards, you may get one such bat in 4-5 days (statistically), but it's an incredible effort! This is the average of a card that I got over 20 days with a decent deck: no plant, no artist, all 5C lodgings and 6 useless ones, no remote location (kept the high freq cards in the extra slots).
I can't say this is the best decisions, but an ambition shouldn't be something that you can easily accomplish. Some luck is required too!


Wish everyone good luck!
edited by Skinnyman on 1/15/2020

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Shadowcthuhlu
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1/14/2020
My only disappointed so far is that special bat is not a new companion

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Jermaine Vendredi
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1/15/2020
Odd -- I have 10 of the little fellows. However, it has to be said I always play the "release a bat into the clouds" option and never the Great Game. I don't see any other source for them -- how do you obtain them from Flash Lays?

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Grouchybeast
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1/15/2020
I wish there was a way to send them to people, like with boxed cats. I have 16 of them on my main character, and even 2 on my newbie.
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Azothi
Azothi
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1/16/2020
Catherine Raymond wrote:
For many years, I couldn't seem to get a single Bat with Attitude. Now I have 11. Patience, Tom! You may yet get one--or even a whole flock.
It's not so much that we want to get a Bat with Attitude eventually so much as there are most likely only a couple weeks until Nemesis finishes updating as promised. It's a human bias: we can be very patient waiting for writers to finish, but we can be very impatient about clear roadblocks. smile

It's a little annoying, though, especially since a similar situation in Heart's Desire (needing a Reported Location of a One-Time Prince of Hell, which can only be obtained through repeated card draws) gave us a one-time option to discover one, or with the Cave of the Nadir, where we could obtain a Ray-Drenched Cinder by finding Eyeless Skulls through rare successes, or we could purchase them with Echoes or connections.

It's almost a commentary on wealth and power in Fallen London: no matter how many tens of thousands of Echoes of materials you can liquidate or how strong your connections are with any faction, this is a roadblock that cannot be surmounted with material wealth or power.
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Catherine Raymond
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1/16/2020
Waterpls wrote:
How many bats do you need? If only one its seems okay. Standard freq card, rare success looks like 5%. 2 weeks of fishing for it, one month if RNG is cruel.


You need only one.

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The Curious Watcher
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1/17/2020
My saltiness about being batless aside, one detail in the recap mentions that Mr Wines intervened to save the Purveyor of Names and the Mute from Mr Cups, but I looked through my echoes and see no instance of that happening. Is there anyone that can verify this detail, because it would mean that Wines is starting feuds with multiple Masters instead of the typical Spices.

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phryne
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1/17/2020
The Curious Watcher wrote:
My saltiness about being batless aside, one detail in the recap mentions that Mr Wines intervened to save the Purveyor of Names and the Mute from Mr Cups, but I looked through my echoes and see no instance of that happening. Is there anyone that can verify this detail, because it would mean that Wines is starting feuds with multiple Masters instead of the typical Spices.
I just came here to post the exact same thing! From the moment I first read the recap on Tuesday, I thought, "Wines? In this Ambition?" I couldn't recall it either and, like you, can't find anything in my records. But I was too busy this week to bring it up earlier.

It's almost as if they've mixed it up with Bag a Legend or Heart's Desire.

Another thing about the recap: it says about Scathewick that "you claimed his blade" which isn't necessarily true: the PC had the choice to do so or not. I noticed that because my Nemesis char has no Blooded Knife (I checked, just to be sure) and still got the same text.

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Skinnyman
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1/15/2020
Jermaine Vendredi wrote:
Odd -- I have 10 of the little fellows. However, it has to be said I always play the "release a bat into the clouds" option and never the Great Game. I don't see any other source for them -- how do you obtain them from Flash Lays?
Yes, hoard them!
Using Flash Lays you can reset you cards and hope to get it again and again and again.

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Tom Davidson
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1/16/2020
I've had the card twice today with no luck, but will keep soldiering on. In the past, I never had the NEED for Battitude -- my other Companions being more than sufficient for that niche -- so it'll be interesting to see how quickly I can get there with intentional farming.
(I put a certain amount of thought into naming my pets, and it's an indication of how little I've expected to get a BWA that I don't have a name for him/her already picked out. Maybe "Jason Todd?")
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Jason5237
Jason5237
Posts: 298

1/16/2020
silurica wrote:
That quibble aside, I'm enjoying this little odd trip so far and I'm currently making preparation for going to a certain hard to reach place in order to regain what was lost.


Without hints of any kind, is this hard to reach place somewhere that has been visited before by players or is it an entirely new location?

J-

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Kharsirr Lynx
Kharsirr Lynx
Posts: 318

1/16/2020
Jason5237 wrote:
silurica wrote:
That quibble aside, I'm enjoying this little odd trip so far and I'm currently making preparation for going to a certain hard to reach place in order to regain what was lost.


Without hints of any kind, is this hard to reach place somewhere that has been visited before by players or is it an entirely new location?

J-


It had been visited, yes.

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Waterpls
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1/16/2020
How many bats do you need? If only one its seems okay. Standard freq card, rare success looks like 5%. 2 weeks of fishing for it, one month if RNG is cruel.

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Tom Davidson
Tom Davidson
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1/14/2020
Hannah, I get the error "nemesisearlylaunch438768295782' has already been used up and was not applied" when I follow the link. Is that to be expected? (It's also worth noting that I have never, not ever, received a Bat with Attitude. *sad sigh*)




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Catherine Raymond
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1/14/2020
Ulysses Kingfisher wrote:
Was someone on the forum going to write a summary of the Ambition events? Because I started Nemesis a long time ago when I didn't know what I was doing and d__n if I can remember most of what has happened...


That was done too. Look at this thread: https://community.failbettergames.com/topic27754-ambition-synopsis-spoilers.aspx

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The Curious Watcher
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1/14/2020
...For those who do not have a Bat with Attitude, is there an easier or simpler way to obtain one besides through the "Parliament of Bats" card? I can't say that I like having to rely on luck again to advance through a story.

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suinicide
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1/14/2020
Iris Sims wrote:
suinicide wrote:
Tom Davidson wrote:
Hannah, I get the error &quotnemesisearlylaunch438768295782' has already been used up and was not applied&quot when I follow the link. Is that to be expected? (It's also worth noting that I have never, not ever, received a Bat with Attitude. *sad sigh*)




The ambition update is now public, and you do not need the code to access it.

how do we access it? is it going to come up among our 'sometimes' cards, or is there somewhere specific I'm supposed to go to start it off? sorry if these are silly questions


Assuming your ambition is nemesis, and you're caught up to the previous update, it should be a storylet at the top of the page. It might be lodgings, as that is where I was.

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Winthropx
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1/14/2020
Shadowcthuhlu wrote:
My only disappointed so far is that special bat is not a new companion


I really wish the same thing! The bat sounds so cool

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Greg M
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1/15/2020
i love the Nemesis conclusion so far. I love it so much.

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Ulysses Kingfisher
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1/14/2020
Barse wrote:
You get a summary right at the start of this new part! You can spend an action at the first step of the update to reminisce, for a pretty thorough overview of the Ambition this far - I'm very glad they thought to add that in.
edited by Barse on 1/14/2020

Thanks for the intel, and thanks to FBG for anticipating this!

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Skinnyman
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1/14/2020
Barse wrote:
You get a summary right at the start of this new part! You can spend an action at the first step of the update to reminisce, for a pretty thorough overview of the Ambition this far - I'm very glad they thought to add that in.
Wow, this is amazing!

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1/14/2020
Hannah Flynn wrote:
Psst, delicious friend -


Seeing as you're a forums member, how about a little secret access to the first part of Nemesis' conclusion?


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edited by h4nchan on 1/14/2020



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Snort
Snort
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3/15/2020
Tom Davidson wrote:
Weekly battitude update: still no battitude.


I admire your attitude about your battitude.

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futouristka
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3/15/2020
I delayed the progress of ambition for getting paramount presence, but curiosity got best of me. I have 8 bats with attitude after the option, and I wish it was possible to send them to some of you!! I was glad to learn that one of my PP goals was useful here. Good luck to everyone!

I love the story so far.
edited by futouristka on 3/15/2020
edited by futouristka on 3/15/2020

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Monara
Monara
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4/5/2020
What is the 1x "A Memory of the Sky" I gained? It's neither in my qualities nor an item I can find, and it didn't have a tooltip. Will this do something when I leave the area?

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Azothi
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3/26/2020
Can confirm that the new method begins in New Newgate and is not Nemesis-exclusive. It's an opportunity card in New Newgate, standard frequency.



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Azothi
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3/26/2020
Oh dear, this looks like it's the beginning of a bit of a journey. The next stop is the Tomb-Colonies, and I wouldn't be surprised if this demanded a visit to every Menace location by the end of it all.

Because the option to begin this requires 5 Favours: Criminals, I'd recommend bringing some Skyglass Knives to prison. They're great for Suspicion reduction and give Favours: Criminal in New Newgate.
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Varis
Varis
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3/26/2020
Thank you for the info. I am also battitudeless and have been for what feels like forever. Time to stock up on favours and then get caught, I guess

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Snort
Snort
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2/24/2020
xKiv wrote:
... a bath with attitude.
edited by xKiv on 2/24/2020


I feel very strongly that I need one of these. smile

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phryne
phryne
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2/24/2020
You know, I lazily clicked on that option maybe a handful of times over the course of a few days and got my Bat with Attitude. No idea what I did to make the RNG love me this much. Big Grin

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3/7/2020
it will come my friend some day

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Feldon Smithe
Feldon Smithe
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2/4/2020
I have killed a Master. I am not sure that I made the right choice. But I was committed. Now the deed is done. Should you wish to know the end of my indefatigable vengeance, you may look here.
edited by FeldonSmithe on 2/4/2020

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Nirrti
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2/1/2020
Battitude! Took 18 days of deck resets with Flash Lays.

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