Hannah Flynn
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No further announcement at this point, just thought you'd like to know.
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Hannah Flynn
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12/6/2019
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We're giving all of these things due consideration, but we don't have anything else we can say right now. We just didn't want to sit on the news anymore!
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Jolanda Swan
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12/6/2019
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Oh this is great news! Thank you!
To be honest, I am happy I 've come to know the characters in my Ambition better through events and ES before concluding it. Having done so many things with Virgina, the Bishop and the Topsy King in the meantime adds depth to what's to come.
My personal Heart's Desire, is to have the opportunity to pursue other Ambitions once our first is finally concluded. A huge, ready-made stack of content for us older players would feel fantastic and add something to work for. I imagine it would bring lots of other players who are in hiatus back, too.
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Siankan
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12/5/2019
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There seems to be a problem with the forum: I can only like this once. 
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JaneAnkhVeos
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12/10/2019
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Jolanda Swan wrote:
What about a new set of Ambitions
For the 20th birthday 
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Jolanda Swan
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12/6/2019
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But why not? The game is not a role-playing game, though it has wonderful elements of that. When you start playing, no matter how you think of your character, you have to become a thief, a burglar, a smuggler, a criminal lord, an artist, a monster hunter, a detective... all at once. Which doesn't make sense, but that's how we play it. All of us have written stories at Veilgarden, become the one who robbed the bazaar, took down Jack of Knives etc, governed Port Carnelian etc Not to mention the ES, where all of us do the same earth-shattering thing on the same week.
What I am saying is, if the Ambitions were the ES of the month, we would simply play them: it wouldn't matter that our character was never one for jewels, or card games, or dead relatives. And we wouldn't mind other players got similar stories.
To add to that, how many people retain their Ambition as their sole background and reason they came to the Neath? I know I liked Heart's Desire but when the time came to actually think why Jolanda is in the Neath, I thought of a different story for her.
Also, if someone has already fulfilled an ambition, I am pretty the quality can re-direct them to a different beginning point for each Ambition.
Of course, the major reason for wanting this, is the fact that we are always hungering for content, and Ambitions are (so far) wonderfully written and lore-significant stories sitting there just out of reach.
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Kharsirr Lynx
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12/9/2019
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NNNnobody wrote:
I cannot quite imagine what reward could make the wait worth it, especially since "endgame" is simply grinding for Echoes.
The story. Especially as finished Ambitions are here to stay. Something along the SMEN-"ambition", single extremely powerful item per Ambition would be nice.
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Siankan
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12/9/2019
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If I were doing it? A piece of equipment with particularly high BDR, which triggered a profitable Rare opportunity card. Extra points if the card 1) involved some randomness (even in text) or 2) used qualities like a Chandler ES. What FB will actually do, who can say?
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Azothi
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12/10/2019
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What I'd hope for is an epilogue. The journey has ended; your Ambition has been fulfilled, in whatever form that may be. But there ought to be a chance for reflection, to look back at everything. For a simple example, we can look at the ending of the University plotline. You reflect with the Honey-Addled Detective - likely the very first character you met on Ladybones Road, from the very beginning - and answer why you pursue knowledge. It takes elements of the past and uses them to look forward.
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Jolanda Swan
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12/10/2019
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Just wondering: assume you fulfill your Ambition. Assume you even play through the other Ambitions, or not.
What about a new set of Ambitions, related this time to the vast lore you have uncovered all this time in FL?
Same as in Sunless Sea, where, once you have played for a while, you uncover the Aestival hidden Ambition. And then, with Zubmariner, you discovered another one.
Pros: endgame content for those who have done it all. Some of it free, some of it unlocked with an expenditure of Fate. But another set of Ambitions geared towards those who have transcended the search for revenge, money etc and now seek the lore of the Neath, would address the most common complaint: the lack of endgame content. Additionally, if these new Ambitions required some high-end items, it woud give a reason to work the most tiring grinds (perhaps Cider is too expensive, but Paramount Presence, or Poet Laureate, who now do little...)
Cons: work, so much work for FB. This is why I suggested that some of this content could be Fate-Locked. Also, there are some open storylines (Spirifer and Pianist, Dilmun Club) that definitely take priority. Unless, of course, they are rolled into the new Ambitions...
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Jason5237
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12/6/2019
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Siankan wrote:
There are some problems with this, though. Nemesis and Light Fingers are written as being the thing which drew you to the Neath; they involve a Surface death and a Surface contact. How could one reasonably start them after years in the Neath? It's awkward to say, "Oh, I came down to find my brother's murderer, but I got sidetracked for a few years by this wicked poker game." It's yea more impossibly awkward to say, "Well, I had come down to find my brother's murderer, but I also came down with a lead on a fabulous treasure. I decided to do that first."
Why does there have to be one reason for journeying to the Neath? People are complex, often with conflicting and/or competing motivations. One could easily say that leads for one goal went cold with an apparent dead end, while the embers warmed for another. One could also easily say that a surface contact had been linked to both rumors of a lost treasure and had a lead on who might know something about the murderer.
There are many ways to approach it.
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Jolanda Swan
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12/11/2019
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That would be lovely, the card.
In any case, I am hoping for a grandiose ending story-wise. As I said elsewhere, I didn't mind that Poet-Laureate or SotC offered almost nothing when you reached the end. I minded that there was no special peace of writing, no storylet, no even a decorative piece of equipment which some words attached. But the ambitions have always been about the writing, right?
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Hannah Flynn
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12/11/2019
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JaneAnkhVeos wrote:
Jolanda Swan wrote:
What about a new set of Ambitions
For the 20th birthday
That's the spirit!
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Catherine Raymond
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12/12/2019
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Siankan wrote:
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There are some problems with this, though. Nemesis and Light Fingers are written as being the thing which drew you to the Neath; they involve a Surface death and a Surface contact. How could one reasonably start them after years in the Neath? It's awkward to say, "Oh, I came down to find my brother's murderer, but I got sidetracked for a few years by this wicked poker game." It's yea more impossibly awkward to say, "Well, I had come down to find my brother's murderer, but I also came down with a lead on a fabulous treasure. I decided to do that first."
This could, I suppose, be sidestepped by letting a post-Ambition player start only Heart's Desire or Bag a Legend. However, how would the Heart's Desire player feel about that? Effectively, doing either of these first becomes the bad choice, and we start telling all the Surfacers to start with Nemesis or Light Fingers. That is, I think, hardly what they were designed for.
I think it's pretty easy to justify "sidetracked ... by this wicked poker game." The Neath is big, and difficult to navigate. One simply might have failed to find any leads--until the time of starting the new Ambition. I don't think that violates the willing suspension of disbelief you need to cultivate to enjoy any of the Neath in the first place.
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babelfishwars
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12/16/2019
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the old man wrote:
I accidently reported someone may god have mercy on my soul
Don't worry about it. It's happened to all of us.
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the old man
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12/6/2019
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exactly though my only problem with switching ambitions is that it wouldn't be scaled so you could really just finish them lightning fast
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PSGarak
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12/6/2019
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the old man wrote:
you know maybe at the end they'll give us a jewel the size of a cow and let those who just wanted some lighthearted thievery to forget all this Lovecraftian nonsense [spoiler](obviously I'm joking no one can forget the orphanage)[/spoiler]
At this point I think I'm more likely to obtain a cow the size of a jewel. Which I would be perfectly content with.
And there are ways to forget.
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NiteBrite
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12/7/2019
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Can it be? are the ambitions truly ending?? at last! after all these year lmao its good to see
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phryne
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12/5/2019
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Amalgamate
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12/5/2019
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Ooh. That will be nice.
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PSGarak
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12/5/2019
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The hype train is now departing Moloch Station. All aboard!
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Jason5237
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12/5/2019
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Fabulous news! Perhaps these will be included among the ten year anniversary celebrations.
=)
Are you able to share how completing one ambition may or not preclude us from experiencing any of the others? I’ve enjoyed two thus far to their content boundaries. I’d like to do the same with the others. Easy enough since they’re incomplete, but I don't know if once completed, taking any one ambition to its conclusion will lock the others.
May be premature for you to comment, but thought I would ask nonetheless.
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Siankan
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12/6/2019
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Jolanda Swan wrote:
My personal Heart's Desire, is to have the opportunity to pursue other Ambitions once our first is finally concluded. A huge, ready-made stack of content for us older players would feel fantastic and add something to work for. I imagine it would bring lots of other players who are in hiatus back, too.
There are some problems with this, though. Nemesis and Light Fingers are written as being the thing which drew you to the Neath; they involve a Surface death and a Surface contact. How could one reasonably start them after years in the Neath? It's awkward to say, "Oh, I came down to find my brother's murderer, but I got sidetracked for a few years by this wicked poker game." It's yea more impossibly awkward to say, "Well, I had come down to find my brother's murderer, but I also came down with a lead on a fabulous treasure. I decided to do that first."
This could, I suppose, be sidestepped by letting a post-Ambition player start only Heart's Desire or Bag a Legend. However, how would the Heart's Desire player feel about that? Effectively, doing either of these first becomes the bad choice, and we start telling all the Surfacers to start with Nemesis or Light Fingers. That is, I think, hardly what they were designed for.
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JaneAnkhVeos
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12/6/2019
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I'm so terribly intrigued how it will be solved and concluded!
Considering that my character's heart's desire is either:
a) the Liberation of Night (liberté, égalité, eternal abyssal darkness!)
b) another player's heart's desire (actually, how about two? how about all seven of us?)
...it will break the reality in any case, I guess. Yay. 
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the old man
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you know maybe at the end they'll give us a jewel the size of a cow and let those who just wanted some lighthearted thievery to forget all this Lovecraftian nonsense [spoiler](obviously I'm joking no one can forget the orphanage)[/spoiler]
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