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Hannah Flynn
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4 days ago
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Jolanda Swan
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4 days ago
Thank you, Failbetter, for doing that. It must be hard.

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Jolanda Swan
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4 days ago
By the way, it's ridiculous to ask people not to come forward with accusations, to keep silent unless there is some tangible proof. I felt stunned by AK's post, so I am not saying this lightly: there is no easy solution to this. Telling men and women who have been abused/harassed or worse that they need to have -what, photohraphic evidence? At least three witnesses? A note that says "I did the deed? is essentially asking us to keep silent, when speaking out is often the only recourse we have. I understand worrying about the possibility of innocents being wrongly accused, but by focusing only on these ocassions, we are ignoring the innumerable cases where people are abused and have no way to get a tiny bit of justice, or warn others.

So no, call-out culture is not a solution. It is simply the only solution that might, maybe, perhaps has a chance to work. And this is awful, and it tears us apart, making the discussion a shouting match. We know. But neither "believe everything" nor "believe nobody unless they have video and there is three of them" is a solution.


So I am going to ask this: for those who oppose call-outs, do you care equally for the innocents who get besmirched and the millions who get abused and never get any justice? And if yes, what is a better idea? This is what we need to ask.
edited by Jolanda Swan on 9/17/2019

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Waterpls
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4 days ago
Justice is too broad term. Better to talk about crime prevention. Thare are two known ways.
1. Make punishment harsher. It works, but not very effective, that's why in modern societies we no longer have public tortures, executions, humiliations, etc.
2. Make punishment more certain. If its highly likely that you will be punished for you crime, then you will think twice before committing to it. Its effective. But not ideal, most criminals are not smart, educated or even have alternatives.

I do not see how call-outs can help "the millions who get abused and never get any justice". Because its weak in both ways. Hard punishment is reserved for courts (and its great). And public shaming is very unreliable. Today twitter crowd cares about women abuse at work, tomorrow it might be family violence, ecology, pedophilia, animal rights or Mr. Eaten knows what. And even if your case accidentally the same as the fashion of the season you have to be lucky or known in broad circles (or your abuser).

I believe that only institutional changes can provide good long-term solutions. So yeah, court practices and ethical committees for large enough companies / organizations.
edited by Waterpls on 9/17/2019

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Gul al-Ahlaam
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4 days ago
Turning the topic from justice to art, I think it's fascinating to compare the writing on Sunless Sea's officer romances, which as far as I can tell from the timeline of events were written by Alexis at Peak Horny, and Cultist Simulator's cultist romances, which were, to my knowledge, in fact written largely by Lottie Bevan.

The games use romance differently, both in terms of the tone they set and in terms of the thematic and narrative utility, but both are in fundamentally the same position- the player character entering into a casual romantic and sexual relationship with one of their underlings, whether that's in a professional or social framework.

But the obvious distinction would be that in Sunless Sea, the indication of compatibility is nature (you're the kind of person that interests them or not), the engagement is entirely sexual without any significant emotional entanglement or change in professional relationship. There's no real end game for it either- it ends when someone gets tired and breaks it off.

Meanwhile, in Cultist Simulator, the indication of compatibility is shared desire and goals, the engagement is sexual but also emotional, and requires that you understand what your partner desires as well as what you desire, and your emotional entanglement leads to significant narrative drama, including the opportunity to abandon your ultimate goals on your partner's behalf and live ever after with them, or burn them on the pyre of your ambition, and there's a story to choosing to be with them, a narrative end game that has a satisfying weight to it.

This doesn't necessarily say anything about the emotional state of the writers or their worldview at the time of the writing- as there's plenty of time for reflection and change between those two moments, and of course the tone and themes of the games are quite different, but it's interesting, I think.

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