Lady Karnstein
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12/1/2018
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There was a lady in an earlier ES who had lost her wife, yes? The mapping one maybe?
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Optimatum
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12/1/2018
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Isaac Gates wrote:
One last thing: maybe it was just me, but at least three times over the course of the story the Imaginator went from a "they" to a "he" (all of which I echoed).
If I had to guess I'd say the story was originally written as a bog standard gay romance, and at the last minute that detail was subbed in to try and make it feel more unique (unsuccessfully).
edited by Isaac Gates on 11/30/2018
I suspect it was a proofreading error. The Zailor was also referred to as "he" a couple times, and there were quite a few other typos.
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Saklad
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12/1/2018
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I want the Precocious Ratling in my life. If the Injurious Princess can make a reappearance, so can Mr Sock!
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Saklad
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I always saw social norms in Fallen London like so: by this point, most people have adjusted their social expectations. A minority hasn’t, and they are very unhappy. Those people are primarily society figures, along with a few academics. When you encounter things like that, you are dealing with that minority.
What’s the timeline on contact with the Surface, anyway? It’s possible all the more conservative types just up and left after the Fall, rather than chumming around with devils.
As for things like makeup and naked ankles, there’s no reason that has to change to be internally consistent.
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Saklad
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12/1/2018
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The writers have perfected the art of reliably inspiring raw terror: the trick is to ensure the player cannot comprehend the stakes.
Wounds and such, I wouldn’t blink at. We all know there are ways to deal with that, even on the Unterzee. But “Dullness”? That’s novel, and therefore terrifying.
And also hilarious, in the end. I still don’t understand what happened with the Jovial Contrarian.
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12/1/2018
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Optimatum wrote:
I suspect it was a proofreading error. The Zailor was also referred to as "he" a couple times, and there were quite a few other typos.
The Zailor was a he start to finish. First line describing him is:
"you hear the man stifling a sob."
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Catherine Raymond
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12/1/2018
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Saklad wrote:
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Wounds and such, I wouldn’t blink at. We all know there are ways to deal with that, even on the Unterzee. But “Dullness”? That’s novel, and therefore terrifying.
And also hilarious, in the end. I still don’t understand what happened with the Jovial Contrarian.
edited by Saklad5 on 12/1/2018
I suspect the Contrarian merely figured that your character preferred aloneness that day and merely gave the first excuse that popped into his head. It seems unlikely that your stock with him would have suffered harm even if the interactions had occurred in real life and were not part of a browser game.
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Jolanda Swan
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12/1/2018
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Have any ES NPCs become a staple of London, by the way? I know we have asked for a card from the priest in All the Saints, but this is very recent.
I love FL NPCs but after a few years of playing, I would not mind seeing new ones, taken from Exceptional Stories. I understand different people pick different fates for some of them, but for some their fate is a given, and they could very well stay with us. Think the man from the ministry, from the fireworks story. I would love to see them in cards, or shops, or storylets, if for no other reason then because it would be a waste for them to only appear once. They will enrich London and possibly entice players to find out more about them by buying older ES - I know I bought a couple for the exact same reason.
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Lady Karnstein
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12/1/2018
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Jolanda Swan wrote:
Have any ES NPCs become a staple of London, by the way? I know we have asked for a card from the priest in All the Saints, but this is very recent.
I love FL NPCs but after a few years of playing, I would not mind seeing new ones, taken from Exceptional Stories. I understand different people pick different fates for some of them, but for some their fate is a given, and they could very well stay with us. Think the man from the ministry, from the fireworks story. I would love to see them in cards, or shops, or storylets, if for no other reason then because it would be a waste for them to only appear once. They will enrich London and possibly entice players to find out more about them by buying older ES - I know I bought a couple for the exact same reason.
I just want to say I agree completely. There have been some much beloved characters for me in ESs
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Chris Gardiner
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12/1/2018
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Jolanda Swan wrote:
Have any ES NPCs become a staple of London, by the way? I know we have asked for a card from the priest in All the Saints, but this is very recent.
I love FL NPCs but after a few years of playing, I would not mind seeing new ones, taken from Exceptional Stories. I understand different people pick different fates for some of them, but for some their fate is a given, and they could very well stay with us. Think the man from the ministry, from the fireworks story. I would love to see them in cards, or shops, or storylets, if for no other reason then because it would be a waste for them to only appear once. They will enrich London and possibly entice players to find out more about them by buying older ES - I know I bought a couple for the exact same reason.
We’ve talked about this and would like to do it.
The tricky thing is using them in general FL content in a way that still works with the possibility that a player might have met them in an ES already, or might at any point buy that ES with Fate and interact with them. Since the events of an ES tend to be quite dramatic for the NPCs involved, it’s hard to write around.
We are looking at it, though. We love these characters deeply (cough cough deacon cough) and they all have more stories to tell.
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Great Pigmeat
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12/1/2018
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Hi all, this question is not about this particular ES story but about being an Exceptional Friend in general - what is a Seasonal Reward? I’ve seen people talk about it and I understand you need to have played all 3 ES throughout a season to get it. However where do you find it?
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Jolanda Swan
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12/1/2018
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Chris Gardiner wrote:
Jolanda Swan wrote:
Have any ES NPCs become a staple of London, by the way? I know we have asked for a card from the priest in All the Saints, but this is very recent.
I love FL NPCs but after a few years of playing, I would not mind seeing new ones, taken from Exceptional Stories. I understand different people pick different fates for some of them, but for some their fate is a given, and they could very well stay with us. Think the man from the ministry, from the fireworks story. I would love to see them in cards, or shops, or storylets, if for no other reason then because it would be a waste for them to only appear once. They will enrich London and possibly entice players to find out more about them by buying older ES - I know I bought a couple for the exact same reason.
We’ve talked about this and would like to do it.
The tricky thing is using them in general FL content in a way that still works with the possibility that a player might have met them in an ES already, or might at any point buy that ES with Fate and interact with them. Since the events of an ES tend to be quite dramatic for the NPCs involved, it’s hard to write around.
We are looking at it, though. We love these characters deeply (cough cough deacon cough) and they all have more stories to tell.
Thank you for answering! This is great news.
If it helps at all, I know I 've played a lot of Fallen London content without realizing the significance of someone or something, then replayed it with renewed understanding (i.e. the Parliamentarian card, that changes meaning as you play through other content). Only thing that would bother me was if choices we made in an ES were outright ignored and that must be tough to work around, indeed.
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Optimatum
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12/1/2018
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Great Pigmeat wrote:
Hi all, this question is not about this particular ES story but about being an Exceptional Friend in general - what is a Seasonal Reward? I’ve seen people talk about it and I understand you need to have played all 3 ES throughout a season to get it. However where do you find it?
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When a seasonal reward becomes available, everyone who's played all three stories will have a new storylet available throughout London. There will be a thread posted on the forums as well to let people know.
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Greg M
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12/1/2018
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So, I quite enjoyed this story. I think it's worth noting the 7 most recent Exceptional Stories have been AMAZING--we're coming off a run of three stories: For all the Saints, The Magician's Dream, and A Little Pandemonium--that will probably end up on most people's top 10 list. Not to mention The Ratcatcher in May. So Daylight suffers a little bit, but only in comparison.
I'm continually impressed by FL's ability to incorporate different tones in the different stories, and this one had a nice weird, creepy feel to it--and the miniature houses were wonderfully done. The introduction of a brand-new menace--Dullness--was extremely creative and well handled, and I wouldn't mind seeing it introduced as a regular menace! (Then again, I'm a writer in real life, so it resonated.)
I think the note about the player-character not having a choice of motivations is a good one for the future, and there was a little mechanical wonkiness--I chose an option in the battle that, to my surprise, resulted in me immediately winning the battle, and I would have preferred to keep the object in question… and then there was the question of the key, which I cannot remember if I found or not. But overall, "daylight" definitely makes the "Very Good" category, and I'm intrigued and impressed enough to play the writer's other games.
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Isaac Zienfried
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12/2/2018
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Catherine Raymond wrote:
I just sent FBG a bug report because, after speaking with the Imaginator and getting him to come with me and the Zailor, I got a blank bar instead of the storylets tab. I can't choose any other storylets and thus can't complete the ES or get back to the rest of Fallen London. Anyone else seeing this kind of bug?
No, but I made the silly mistake of starting the trip to Daylight on my phone, and then trying to pick it up on my PC, and that seems to have brought me back to my Lodgings and locked me out of the story. I'm about to send a bug report, but I wanted to see if anyone had encountered it and found a solution first. So of course I had to slog through the, ah, spectacle of the first two pages of this thread.
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Ragnar Degenhand
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12/2/2018
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Isaac Zienfried wrote:
So of course I had to slog through the, ah, spectacle of the first two pages of this thread.
Commiserations to us all on that point. Along with some other players, I like to read people's notes and reactions to the ES before playing, and this time, the thread was really not that helpful, nor on point..
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Jesiah Rothaich
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12/3/2018
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Jolanda Swan wrote:
Have any ES NPCs become a staple of London, by the way?
Depending on your choices you can get a really awesome option on an opportunity card after Hojotoho!, which helps make you feel like your decisions mattered and the people involved didn't immediately cease to exist once the story finished.
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Phèdre Delaunay
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12/3/2018
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Nero Keller wrote:
Azothi wrote:
Tom Davidson wrote:
Out of interest, did anyone actually find a key? That was the one piece of content I missed out on, and I can't help wondering if that contributed to the ending feeling more than a little incomplete. I didn't either, and I've been unable to return to the rat village to search more because raising the Hunted quality to 2 after finishing up in the workshop automatically triggers the Stalker fight. My best guess right now is that it's a rare success on searching the houses.
If you defeat the monster, you're free to explore any part of the island you want without cycling Airs. I left without looking for another key, though. It might be related to a choice back in London, such as possibly if you didn't take the ratling with you. If anyone found a key themselves, please speak up.
I can confirm that the Ratling's parents give you the key if you don't take her along. The key opens their miniature house, and you can see their portrait on the wall - nothing more.
It made sense for me to not bring her along on a potentially dangerous journey, but I am sorry I missed her content, as she seems the only interesting character in here.
I didn't like this story as much as the others, to be honest - the characters didn't feel compelling enough, and the monster - creepy as it was - went down really easily. I loved the "dullness" thing though; it made the stakes skyrocket for my bohemian (and aspiring poet laureate) character.
I think there are many questions left unsolved, especially about the Bauble that gets mentioned a lot...
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Jolanda Swan
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12/3/2018
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Strange, I didn't get any dullness. Only sparks of inspiration.
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Greg M
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12/3/2018
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You were probably smart enough not to click the "QUICK! THINK OF SOMETHING" button, which, in delightful FL style, did not actually help you think of something. it might be my new favorite button. I *think* trying to run away also gave you Dullness?
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Strange, I didn't get any dullness. Only sparks of inspiration.
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